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It seems that due to a larger than normal accident rate during training (mainly in the US) the Chinese government has banned flight training for Chinese cadets overseas.
Krusty,
Not saying that you're bullshiHing, but could you tell me where that info comes from? I'm just surprised to hear it and would like to confirm if it was true.
I could tell you FONZ', but I'd have to kill you.
It's a rumour, and this is a rumour network. My source was referring to his knowledge of problems being faced by Jeppesen, and the reference was their woes with the Chinese government and the situation I described here. That's why there are no Chinese cadets at AAPA. According to my source.
This may change in the future, but who knows? I'll do some extra digging.
It's a rumour, and this is a rumour network. My source was referring to his knowledge of problems being faced by Jeppesen, and the reference was their woes with the Chinese government and the situation I described here. That's why there are no Chinese cadets at AAPA. According to my source.
This may change in the future, but who knows? I'll do some extra digging.
If that were the case Krusty, CSWAFC would have been closed down. Instead, they are advertising for more instructors.
Don't worry though, the 12 million white elephant will be useful if they purchase/move the sim and host all cyclics and course work there
I'm sure they will also be able to train CPL students there with intention to hire notices upon gaining the required hours in GA. Of course, not all the CPL students will get hired
Don't worry though, the 12 million white elephant will be useful if they purchase/move the sim and host all cyclics and course work there
I'm sure they will also be able to train CPL students there with intention to hire notices upon gaining the required hours in GA. Of course, not all the CPL students will get hired
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Well VIMD, you are wrong and 'Pete is right on the money. The only Cadets that have gone over to instructing at AAPA are those who were unable to complete the REX First Officer Training program. Some others have simply washed out and have sought life elsewhere. It happens. Not everyone will make it through.
The fantasy you refer to about cadets (the best ones) choosing to instruct at AAPA, is just that. A fantasy!
And yes I have that on very good authority.
The fantasy you refer to about cadets (the best ones) choosing to instruct at AAPA, is just that. A fantasy!
And yes I have that on very good authority.
With regards to the overseas contracts, I suggest you look a bit deeper into the parent company for the reason. Maybe, just maybe some of the overseas airlines are seeing through the bulls#!% REX/AAPA is trying to sell them on the marketing trips. I don't even need to go into how capable the marketing team is that go on these trips...
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Three posts and making a great name for yourself
People bag J* and Rex because both cadet schemes bond you for at least 6 years and you'll be paid so badly you'll be eating 2 min noodles for dinner and wondering how you're going to pay your rent next month!
Qantas pay their cadets extremely well (A 3 year SO can earn more than a Qlink Dash 8 captain)
Sharps only keep their cadets for around 1 year of line flying after they've done their training. After the 18 months to 2 years at Sharps a cadet has spent around 100k and will have the skills to work anywhere in GA or start as a DE FO at an airline (most people in GA spend the same amount of money on their personal development before getting the nod at an airline)
DIVOSH!
Three posts and making a great name for yourself
People bag J* and Rex because both cadet schemes bond you for at least 6 years and you'll be paid so badly you'll be eating 2 min noodles for dinner and wondering how you're going to pay your rent next month!
Qantas pay their cadets extremely well (A 3 year SO can earn more than a Qlink Dash 8 captain)
Sharps only keep their cadets for around 1 year of line flying after they've done their training. After the 18 months to 2 years at Sharps a cadet has spent around 100k and will have the skills to work anywhere in GA or start as a DE FO at an airline (most people in GA spend the same amount of money on their personal development before getting the nod at an airline)
DIVOSH!
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What info are they giving you? Is it the same crock of ****e they feed Rex or Jetstar cadets??
Wonder if they will tell of the hard yards of earning sweet f.a only to be surpassed in $$$$$ by laborers/secretaries! LOL
would it start like this?
"Welcome to the glamorous airline professional career (snigger snigger). We need ignorant enthusiastic individuals to look to the sky and not at your wallet.
Here is a pipe, full of dreams, but don't you dare trade it in; its priceless. Enjoy the fleeting minutes of glamor you may receive from people who are just as ignorant as you of the job (and ts a great job mind you) and if you want to borrow money from your bank manager, just tell him your a pilot and all your worries will be over!
Hey and dont forget, no experience, no problems! we take you from zero to hero in 10 short months! So future captain gullible.....oops I meant captain valiant....
Sign here , here and here, Good night and good luck"
Wonder if they will tell of the hard yards of earning sweet f.a only to be surpassed in $$$$$ by laborers/secretaries! LOL
would it start like this?
"Welcome to the glamorous airline professional career (snigger snigger). We need ignorant enthusiastic individuals to look to the sky and not at your wallet.
Here is a pipe, full of dreams, but don't you dare trade it in; its priceless. Enjoy the fleeting minutes of glamor you may receive from people who are just as ignorant as you of the job (and ts a great job mind you) and if you want to borrow money from your bank manager, just tell him your a pilot and all your worries will be over!
Hey and dont forget, no experience, no problems! we take you from zero to hero in 10 short months! So future captain gullible.....oops I meant captain valiant....
Sign here , here and here, Good night and good luck"
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So Di Vosh, would you recommend the Sharp Cadetship?
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Hi again Krusty
I dont mean to correct your last statement but the information on the instructors is not entirely correct. There is a mixture of instructors which consists of the best pilots from course 2,4 and 5 including an IFR instructor from OXFORD UNI. Each fortnight they are checked by Grahem White who is a very well respected CASA instructor with just shy of 20 thousand hours.
You are correct in saying some have not made the grade and become instructors but i assure you the majority is of a high standerd and continually increasing the goals of every Cadet course.
F7 aswell my spell checker has gone walk abouts.
You are correct in saying some have not made the grade and become instructors but i assure you the majority is of a high standerd and continually increasing the goals of every Cadet course.
F7 aswell my spell checker has gone walk abouts.
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"Would it really be possible to spend all that money at the academy and have crappy instructors"
instructors are not the problem.
just stay away from rex. spend your folks money on lottery tickets or something more potentially rewarding like that..
"Would it really be possible to spend all that money at the academy and have crappy instructors"
instructors are not the problem.
just stay away from rex. spend your folks money on lottery tickets or something more potentially rewarding like that..
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Hey all,
I can understand why some GA people can get pretty cranky with cadetships. These people have just spent many years flying crappy aircraft, in crappy places, trying to get their experience (only hours, as I don't believe experience obtained in a Cessna 172 can be compared with that needed for an A320) to be able to apply for an airline job.
And now these other people arrive with a program that will provide amazing training, in brand new facilities, with brand new aircraft to students who wish to join the airline world from the beginning.
Yes, the pay is not amazing and like with any good thing there always is a downside. However, 50 grand for your first year is pretty good, when you compare it with american regional airlines.
Plus you get experience in a twin turbo-prop aircraft, and in two crew operations.
When I went for my interview at Wagga I met an instructor who chose to start as an instructor and he plans to move to the SAABs in his 3rd year of the contract. At least that way he gets to do a couple of different things during his 7 year contract, and he gets a bit of command time (I believe ICUS is being approved as we speak).
Yes , 7 years!!!wooooohh. I wonder how long it takes the average GA pilot to get a job in a major airline, but I'm pretty sure it would take the same time if not longer. I have a friend pilot that looked for a year (flying for free on the weekends to stay current) to find a 3 month contract in Fiji.
The CFI in the flight training school where I currently go has told us he has a lot of experience. He has flown for over 7 years and has plenty of hours. The only problem is he doesn't have the experience required by the airlines. Virgin and Jetstar come looking for REX pilots with 5 years of experience to join their flanks. Why?? because they have the experience these organisations are looking for.
Another point brought up is the senate enquiry. I believe it won't go through, there is too much at stake. However, if it ever goes through, CASA will have to look into it, create the regulations and implement them. And come on, we all know CASA. If that goes through it will be at least a couple of years before it gets implemented, that is 60 cadets that can become airline pilots if they wish so.
The airline world is not the only section in the aviation industry (it is certainly where the money lies). However, I have joined this industry not because of the money, but because I wanted to fly for a living. There are plenty of people that love GA and that is great, I'm sure there are some amazing adventures to get out of there.
However, I love the idea that I will get trained in amazing facilities, with new aircraft, with great instructors, and at the end of it I will have a secure position in one of the best regional airlines in the Asia Pacific region, with the possibility to move into a bigger airline in a few years time due to the experience I will get from REX.
I can understand why some GA people can get pretty cranky with cadetships. These people have just spent many years flying crappy aircraft, in crappy places, trying to get their experience (only hours, as I don't believe experience obtained in a Cessna 172 can be compared with that needed for an A320) to be able to apply for an airline job.
And now these other people arrive with a program that will provide amazing training, in brand new facilities, with brand new aircraft to students who wish to join the airline world from the beginning.
Yes, the pay is not amazing and like with any good thing there always is a downside. However, 50 grand for your first year is pretty good, when you compare it with american regional airlines.
Plus you get experience in a twin turbo-prop aircraft, and in two crew operations.
When I went for my interview at Wagga I met an instructor who chose to start as an instructor and he plans to move to the SAABs in his 3rd year of the contract. At least that way he gets to do a couple of different things during his 7 year contract, and he gets a bit of command time (I believe ICUS is being approved as we speak).
Yes , 7 years!!!wooooohh. I wonder how long it takes the average GA pilot to get a job in a major airline, but I'm pretty sure it would take the same time if not longer. I have a friend pilot that looked for a year (flying for free on the weekends to stay current) to find a 3 month contract in Fiji.
The CFI in the flight training school where I currently go has told us he has a lot of experience. He has flown for over 7 years and has plenty of hours. The only problem is he doesn't have the experience required by the airlines. Virgin and Jetstar come looking for REX pilots with 5 years of experience to join their flanks. Why?? because they have the experience these organisations are looking for.
Another point brought up is the senate enquiry. I believe it won't go through, there is too much at stake. However, if it ever goes through, CASA will have to look into it, create the regulations and implement them. And come on, we all know CASA. If that goes through it will be at least a couple of years before it gets implemented, that is 60 cadets that can become airline pilots if they wish so.
The airline world is not the only section in the aviation industry (it is certainly where the money lies). However, I have joined this industry not because of the money, but because I wanted to fly for a living. There are plenty of people that love GA and that is great, I'm sure there are some amazing adventures to get out of there.
However, I love the idea that I will get trained in amazing facilities, with new aircraft, with great instructors, and at the end of it I will have a secure position in one of the best regional airlines in the Asia Pacific region, with the possibility to move into a bigger airline in a few years time due to the experience I will get from REX.
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...and if you thought Rondair hadn't been around long, along comes Leirbag...
nah, has to be another wind-up.
Why does everybody else go the hard road when it really is so easy to get those high-paying airline jobs straight up?
Hey, leirbag, not only can you join Rex and get to the top straight away, you can also join Amway and get rich quick too; fair dinkum
Go, you good thing..........
nah, has to be another wind-up.
Why does everybody else go the hard road when it really is so easy to get those high-paying airline jobs straight up?
Hey, leirbag, not only can you join Rex and get to the top straight away, you can also join Amway and get rich quick too; fair dinkum
Go, you good thing..........
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Talk about two clowns straight out of the shill circus!
When you run out of things to say just amp up the adjectives or enthusiasm so you think that it sounds like a new idea.
amazing training
brand new facilities
brand new aircraft
But wait, once in one post wasn't enough:
amazing facilities,
new aircraft,
great instructors,
one of the best regional airlines
Look, I don't mean to sound condescending but I don't think that a lot of you budding pilots realise how big a world it is out there and, more importantly, the incredibly important fact that "The personal is political!" You CANNOT have your cake and eat it too; you do not have a choice on whether or not you will have an impact on the situation. You will choose one road or the other. Your only choice is whether or not you are going to be part of the solution or the problem.
Historically speaking; mankind has made some pretty big civil rights advancements with the burgeoning of the middle classes. It is a basic tenet of our free and just society that we aim for as close as we can get to a true meritocracy. Being human we can't help but want to do what it best for us even if it sometimes means disadvantaging others unfairly, this is human nature and it can also be our biggest downfall (it is and always has been in unity and solidarity that we have made our world a better place for the majority).
Whether YOU like it or not simply accepting and allowing the "very fortunate [who] have the funds for a cadetship" (post 81) to jump the queue means that those for whom it is a big deal have just been made even more disadvantaged by the 'fortunate' ones.
On the flip-side; whether I like it or not some people are simply too disadvantaged and we'll never live in a true meritocracy. I will, however, be able to look back on my career and not see my "[hunger] to survive and [succeed]" (ibid) leaving a trail of destruction. I do have this hunger but I won't sacrifice my morals, the professions position or anybody else's civil rights to queue jump.
If you wish to appraise yourself of the state of the profession (and have a good chuckle whilst doing so) I highly suggest that you look at the following comic-stories about the industrial relations of Air Pilots in Australia.
Union Pilot: Simple Terms... For Simple Pilots
How it Works
Young Idiots and of course
AFAP
Our biggest fight at the moment is the very idea that many of you people are pushing: paying for a job. It is already a substantial investment simply to get a CPL with an IR-C-ME (MECIR). As any ATO (CASA's Approved Testing Officer, the person who will sit next to you, testing you, on any test flight) will tell you even then that brand new Instrument Rating is really just a license to learn. (What they mean is that you've met the bare minimum of standard but that as a relatively inexperienced Instrument Pilot you really will have to police yourself and not bite off more than you can chew... don't blast off on a dark and stormy night the very next day.)
What I am getting at is the lunacy of the argument that Sharp and others are pushing to fight CASA's current debate on minimum hours for FOs (following the Colgan accident the FAA in the USA has just made it a requirement for FOs on RPT to have at least 1,500 hours). One argument that Rex, Sharp et al are pushing is that places like Qantas, Cathay and other bave been doing this for years, what they fail to mention is that these people are usually SOs for a few years. Also, they are people who the airlines have deemed of a high enough calibre to pay for the training (i.e. the airlines invested THEIR OWN MONEY after making a calculated judgement).
Good luck with your career but don't tear down my industry.
(excerpt from a PM I sent to a potential cadet)
FRQ CB
When you run out of things to say just amp up the adjectives or enthusiasm so you think that it sounds like a new idea.
amazing training
brand new facilities
brand new aircraft
But wait, once in one post wasn't enough:
amazing facilities,
new aircraft,
great instructors,
one of the best regional airlines
Look, I don't mean to sound condescending but I don't think that a lot of you budding pilots realise how big a world it is out there and, more importantly, the incredibly important fact that "The personal is political!" You CANNOT have your cake and eat it too; you do not have a choice on whether or not you will have an impact on the situation. You will choose one road or the other. Your only choice is whether or not you are going to be part of the solution or the problem.
Historically speaking; mankind has made some pretty big civil rights advancements with the burgeoning of the middle classes. It is a basic tenet of our free and just society that we aim for as close as we can get to a true meritocracy. Being human we can't help but want to do what it best for us even if it sometimes means disadvantaging others unfairly, this is human nature and it can also be our biggest downfall (it is and always has been in unity and solidarity that we have made our world a better place for the majority).
Whether YOU like it or not simply accepting and allowing the "very fortunate [who] have the funds for a cadetship" (post 81) to jump the queue means that those for whom it is a big deal have just been made even more disadvantaged by the 'fortunate' ones.
On the flip-side; whether I like it or not some people are simply too disadvantaged and we'll never live in a true meritocracy. I will, however, be able to look back on my career and not see my "[hunger] to survive and [succeed]" (ibid) leaving a trail of destruction. I do have this hunger but I won't sacrifice my morals, the professions position or anybody else's civil rights to queue jump.
If you wish to appraise yourself of the state of the profession (and have a good chuckle whilst doing so) I highly suggest that you look at the following comic-stories about the industrial relations of Air Pilots in Australia.
Union Pilot: Simple Terms... For Simple Pilots
How it Works
Young Idiots and of course
AFAP
Our biggest fight at the moment is the very idea that many of you people are pushing: paying for a job. It is already a substantial investment simply to get a CPL with an IR-C-ME (MECIR). As any ATO (CASA's Approved Testing Officer, the person who will sit next to you, testing you, on any test flight) will tell you even then that brand new Instrument Rating is really just a license to learn. (What they mean is that you've met the bare minimum of standard but that as a relatively inexperienced Instrument Pilot you really will have to police yourself and not bite off more than you can chew... don't blast off on a dark and stormy night the very next day.)
What I am getting at is the lunacy of the argument that Sharp and others are pushing to fight CASA's current debate on minimum hours for FOs (following the Colgan accident the FAA in the USA has just made it a requirement for FOs on RPT to have at least 1,500 hours). One argument that Rex, Sharp et al are pushing is that places like Qantas, Cathay and other bave been doing this for years, what they fail to mention is that these people are usually SOs for a few years. Also, they are people who the airlines have deemed of a high enough calibre to pay for the training (i.e. the airlines invested THEIR OWN MONEY after making a calculated judgement).
Good luck with your career but don't tear down my industry.
(excerpt from a PM I sent to a potential cadet)
FRQ CB
Last edited by FRQ Charlie Bravo; 26th Mar 2011 at 00:01. Reason: Venom sans emotive verbage. Point taken, Tid.
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Why is it bad to take the easy road?, please explain.
I didn't run out of things to say, amazing, great, new are all the adjectives that will be coming out of any person's mouth that goes to Wagga and sees the new facilities.
I have nothing against GA, but I'm glad there are other venues that lead to the same goal.
Whether YOU like it or not simply accepting and allowing the "very fortunate [who] have the funds for a cadetship" (post 81) to jump the queue means that those for whom it is a big deal have just been made even more disadvantaged by the 'fortunate' ones.
I'm not a "very fortunate" person. I came from a 3rd world country to Australia 4 years ago and have worked my ass off. I have been able to save enough money to be able to join the cadetship. However, if working or saving is not your thing, a friend of mine got a 25k loan and managed to pay the first year of the loan with centrelink money. As you can see, this cadetship is open to anyone who really wants it.
I have been studying aviation for over two years and have been flying for over 7 months, and believe me, working full time, studying at uni full time and flying full time is not pretty. This is another reason why I'm joining this cadetship. I will be able to dedicate all of my time to studying and flying, this will hopefully benefitiate me in becoming a better pilot.
I heard of many people who have flown in the NT, Fiji, PNG, etc. who after 1 or 2 years of being payed **** and treated badly are faced with a decision of wether to continue or quit. If you want to do it the hard way that's fine by me, but you have as many chances as me to do it a little bit easier.
I'll let you know how I'm doing in a couple of years, one thing is for sure, I wont be quitting the industry.
On second thoughts, yes I'm a very "fortunate person" to have the life I have and the one I will have.
I didn't run out of things to say, amazing, great, new are all the adjectives that will be coming out of any person's mouth that goes to Wagga and sees the new facilities.
I have nothing against GA, but I'm glad there are other venues that lead to the same goal.
Whether YOU like it or not simply accepting and allowing the "very fortunate [who] have the funds for a cadetship" (post 81) to jump the queue means that those for whom it is a big deal have just been made even more disadvantaged by the 'fortunate' ones.
I'm not a "very fortunate" person. I came from a 3rd world country to Australia 4 years ago and have worked my ass off. I have been able to save enough money to be able to join the cadetship. However, if working or saving is not your thing, a friend of mine got a 25k loan and managed to pay the first year of the loan with centrelink money. As you can see, this cadetship is open to anyone who really wants it.
I have been studying aviation for over two years and have been flying for over 7 months, and believe me, working full time, studying at uni full time and flying full time is not pretty. This is another reason why I'm joining this cadetship. I will be able to dedicate all of my time to studying and flying, this will hopefully benefitiate me in becoming a better pilot.
I heard of many people who have flown in the NT, Fiji, PNG, etc. who after 1 or 2 years of being payed **** and treated badly are faced with a decision of wether to continue or quit. If you want to do it the hard way that's fine by me, but you have as many chances as me to do it a little bit easier.
I'll let you know how I'm doing in a couple of years, one thing is for sure, I wont be quitting the industry.
On second thoughts, yes I'm a very "fortunate person" to have the life I have and the one I will have.
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And you committed yourself to the same for seven years without the prospect of being able to make that decision 
I heard of many people who have flown in the NT, Fiji, PNG, etc. who after 1 or 2 years of being payed **** and treated badly are faced with a decision of wether to continue or quit.
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I know the pay is not great. However, it will be enough for me to live and enjoy working where I have always wanted to work, in the sky and for an airline.
I haven't heard any bad feedback about the treatment of pilots at REX.
Sorry for being so enthusiastic about a cadetship that will set me for life.
I haven't heard any bad feedback about the treatment of pilots at REX.
Sorry for being so enthusiastic about a cadetship that will set me for life.
I have a serious disdain for these programs however I've given up raging about them.
Its basic supply and demand. There are too many pilots. Hence, this is what happens.
Its basic supply and demand. There are too many pilots. Hence, this is what happens.
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I thought the topic said REX cadetship and working for REX. Why am I a nuisance. I'm just giving my point of view. I have just joined the cadetship and thought I would provide my ideas and what I know to people interested in this cadetship.
I think the nuisance are the ones that keep bagging it without really saying why. Don't understand why you don't open a thread that says "Cadetships are the work of the devil, specially that REX one", in that topic, your posts might be appreciated.
I'm happy to provide my knowledge about the cadetship and REX to the people who are interested.
ps. There are a **** load of pilots out there, sadly not many with the experience required to join the airlines, which is why there is a pilot shortage and why these cadetships are growing and will continue growing.
I think the nuisance are the ones that keep bagging it without really saying why. Don't understand why you don't open a thread that says "Cadetships are the work of the devil, specially that REX one", in that topic, your posts might be appreciated.
I'm happy to provide my knowledge about the cadetship and REX to the people who are interested.
ps. There are a **** load of pilots out there, sadly not many with the experience required to join the airlines, which is why there is a pilot shortage and why these cadetships are growing and will continue growing.