Digital Mapping - Dimap
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Does anyone know what these photo survey guys are up to? the latest rumours are that they are close to bankrupt because they can't get a photo aircraft for hire, apparantly bills not paid are catching up with them. any news??
Is that the same mob that did the dodge with hiring helicopters in Tassie and then not paying up because they reckon they reckon that their data wasn;t accurate enough?
heard this info third hand.. not sure if it's the same company
heard this info third hand.. not sure if it's the same company
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operators all over Australia with the same story, blaming bad data and then not paying flying bills. They have just been sued in Vic for the same deal and they lost big time, if they have done it to you or your company, you have to sue them to get the money back. No one learns in this industry, people keep taking on their business and getting burned. Three court cases pending against them that I know of.
The GA industry needs to stick together on matters such as this, bad customers need to be punished with no aircraft to fly in. Germans apparently. Be very carefull.
The GA industry needs to stick together on matters such as this, bad customers need to be punished with no aircraft to fly in. Germans apparently. Be very carefull.
Pretty disappointing for the legit operators - we have lost a couple of tenders to dodgy bros (not the end of the earth... just disappointing).
Is there some sort of smack fairy for non-payers? They seem to get away with it a lot in Aviation.
Had the same experience when I was in CHTR and the other operator down the road was undercutting everyone (and not paying bills). When the creditors finally wound him up the comment on here was that "he was victim to opportunistic LAMEs"!
Is there some sort of smack fairy for non-payers? They seem to get away with it a lot in Aviation.
Had the same experience when I was in CHTR and the other operator down the road was undercutting everyone (and not paying bills). When the creditors finally wound him up the comment on here was that "he was victim to opportunistic LAMEs"!
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All second hand info but , I heard a similar story about these guys.
There product is poor and they don't pay their bills.
If the data's crap , it's the fault of Dimap , not the aircraft operator, unless the pilot can't fly survey.
I believe they wait until threated with court action and offer 50% of the money owed.
Worked for a while.
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There product is poor and they don't pay their bills.
If the data's crap , it's the fault of Dimap , not the aircraft operator, unless the pilot can't fly survey.
I believe they wait until threated with court action and offer 50% of the money owed.
Worked for a while.
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Thanks for the PM's. Looks like they can't get anyone to fly for them now, maybe we as an industry have learned. According to the Vic Magistrates cout and county court there are seven actions against them in Vic alone..
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It is malicious and innapropriate to discredit a company based on rumour.
There are two sides to this story.
I flew a few contracts for DIMAP over a few months. Their products met industry standards, management was professional and compassionate and the company was generally well organised.
I would not hesitate to fly for them again, nor would I hesitate to consider buying survey data from them.
I have a related degree, and several years flight and ground survey experience.
It's a dog eat dog world out there.
There are two sides to this story.
I flew a few contracts for DIMAP over a few months. Their products met industry standards, management was professional and compassionate and the company was generally well organised.
I would not hesitate to fly for them again, nor would I hesitate to consider buying survey data from them.
I have a related degree, and several years flight and ground survey experience.
It's a dog eat dog world out there.
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Interesting reply NOSIGN. It is people like you who have allowed these dodg operators to keep flying whilst carrying such bad debt. If you think that telling the industry of these criminals is a 'malicious and innapropriate' discrace to the GA industry.
Let me guess, you scabbed out and flew for them whilst other bad debts went unpaid. You are just as bad as them. Take a good hard look in the mirror whilst you scab out to these guys a number of people have foreclosed on home loans and can't feed their kids.
Sounds like you really like these guys. Their products infact don't met industry standards. They have recently lost a lot of work for faking images on photoshop and using old tiles to substitute bad ones. Another way they are able to undercut the industry. Management was professional you say, and compassionate....please. Judging by the dozens of PMs I doubt your views are common in the industry.
You would not hesitate to fly for them again? Well once a scab always a scab. Nor would I hesitate to consider buying survey data from them? Are you a pilot or what?? Their data is rubbish and you know it.
It's a dog eat dog world out there, and you are a dog.
Let me guess, you scabbed out and flew for them whilst other bad debts went unpaid. You are just as bad as them. Take a good hard look in the mirror whilst you scab out to these guys a number of people have foreclosed on home loans and can't feed their kids.
Sounds like you really like these guys. Their products infact don't met industry standards. They have recently lost a lot of work for faking images on photoshop and using old tiles to substitute bad ones. Another way they are able to undercut the industry. Management was professional you say, and compassionate....please. Judging by the dozens of PMs I doubt your views are common in the industry.
You would not hesitate to fly for them again? Well once a scab always a scab. Nor would I hesitate to consider buying survey data from them? Are you a pilot or what?? Their data is rubbish and you know it.
It's a dog eat dog world out there, and you are a dog.
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Tell it to the judge NOSIGN
They didn't pay their bills , I think they owe one aircraft owner about $150k.
Didn't they own a Vexel? If the liquidator's wants to sell/rent it , i'll run it and make some cash (and pay my creditors).
Also it's not malicious. it is a rumour network.
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Didn't they own a Vexel? If the liquidator's wants to sell/rent it , i'll run it and make some cash (and pay my creditors).
Also it's not malicious. it is a rumour network.
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That may be fair enough Murray Cod, I described my PAST (2006/2007) experience with DIMAP in my post. I do not like or dislike DIMAP.
What do Germans and bad data etc have anything to do with signing aircraft lease contracts? Sections of Principle Penny Benjamin's posts were innapropriate, however if several contracts are not being honoured then yes, contractors beware!
What do Germans and bad data etc have anything to do with signing aircraft lease contracts? Sections of Principle Penny Benjamin's posts were innapropriate, however if several contracts are not being honoured then yes, contractors beware!
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NOSIGN judging by you past post you have infact indicated that you like Dimap, and that is fine, they may have paid your bills. What do Germans and bad data etc have anything to do with signing aircraft lease contracts? Well, let me tell you my learnered pilot. They don't pay bills based on bad data.....thats right..they are blaming the aircraft operators for bad data. Not just one bad pilot if that is the way you want to go with this. Three helo operators have lost tens of thousands and seven piston operators, that I know of, blaming bad data. Anyone who knows anything about survey knows that you would pick up bad flying whilst one the line, not when it's time to pay the bill.
I have not said anything innapropriate but i appreciate the insult, it gives me an insight into who I am dealing with. Contracts are not only being dishonored, but ignored. In order to enforce them, some companies have had to spend over $100,000 on legals. And yes, the owner is German, this gives him a uniqe legal standpoint, in that he can threaten to send the company under if you don't accept an offer of 40-50% of monies owed.
This is because the money had gone back to Germany.
That is not to mention the conflict of interest having one of the directors of this company as a local councilor in Perth who use Dimap for their mapping services.
Still want to stand up for the criminals NOSIGN?
I have not said anything innapropriate but i appreciate the insult, it gives me an insight into who I am dealing with. Contracts are not only being dishonored, but ignored. In order to enforce them, some companies have had to spend over $100,000 on legals. And yes, the owner is German, this gives him a uniqe legal standpoint, in that he can threaten to send the company under if you don't accept an offer of 40-50% of monies owed.
This is because the money had gone back to Germany.
That is not to mention the conflict of interest having one of the directors of this company as a local councilor in Perth who use Dimap for their mapping services.
Still want to stand up for the criminals NOSIGN?
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So true
I'm new user to this site, but got a call the other day telling me that the guys who ripped me off were being slagged off on a website, so i joined up. Here is my story. I was a pilot flying for these guys through a contractor. That contractor didn't get paid by Dimap, and they were the guys working with me on the job in norther WA. We couldn't pay for fuel or accommodation because the contactor had no money, due to Dimap not paying the bills. I could not even eat for a few days and had to survive on the charity of the local pilots, thanks guys you know who you are. Dimap said they were 'positioning for a better deal', I later realised this was Blackmail of the contractor. I lost my job, the contractor went broke, and another contractor took over on 'a better deal'. The pilot rolled in from Sydney on the same jet I left on, had to even pay for my flight home. That pilot knows who he is too, typical GA lack of loyalty. I was amazed when I heard that these guys were still operating. This industry never ceases to amaze me.
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yeah, they make all the promises in the world, and then not only don't deliver but they left me high and dry - big time. I am attempting to get some money back through legal action, but we will wait and see. Very sad to hear people in GA sticking up for these guys.
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Winding up Dimap - BEWARE
Just got word that there will shortly be a court order to wind up the company - Dimap. IT looks like these crooks are finally being brought back down to the ground.
The sheriffs are on their way this week to seize assets, so if they owe you money, like they do to many in the GA industry, get a lawyer ASAP.
JUSTICE SERVED COLD - BY THE SHERIFF
The sheriffs are on their way this week to seize assets, so if they owe you money, like they do to many in the GA industry, get a lawyer ASAP.
JUSTICE SERVED COLD - BY THE SHERIFF
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Seems to me that you guys dont really know what you're talking about.
I heard that DiMap is still operating just fine and these rumours are nothing more than just malicious ramblings...
If there's any rumour about that Sydney mob, word on the grapevine is they got paid and the amount was about half of what you quoted.
- 100k?
Exaggerting much?
If i were you i'd be worrying more about them finding out how you've slandered their company reputation all over the web and start thinking about what to do and about a lawyer to represent you when they sue you for it.... maybe then (if they do owe anyone money) they'll get it from you?
Hrmm maybe someone might forward this url to their MD just to get the ball rolling?
*sigh*
Still, i'd be interested in hearing some proof (if you have any) to your rumours and in fact i know a guy who's recently had dealings with DiMap and says they're great.
I heard that DiMap is still operating just fine and these rumours are nothing more than just malicious ramblings...
If there's any rumour about that Sydney mob, word on the grapevine is they got paid and the amount was about half of what you quoted.
- 100k?
Exaggerting much?If i were you i'd be worrying more about them finding out how you've slandered their company reputation all over the web and start thinking about what to do and about a lawyer to represent you when they sue you for it.... maybe then (if they do owe anyone money) they'll get it from you?
Hrmm maybe someone might forward this url to their MD just to get the ball rolling?
*sigh*
Still, i'd be interested in hearing some proof (if you have any) to your rumours and in fact i know a guy who's recently had dealings with DiMap and says they're great.