Log Book Forgery
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I remember before my GFPT my instructor was comparing my logbook to my records.
He called me through to tell me i was 0.2 over in one section.. so we put a pencil mark next to it and i was called back.. a different entry was 0.2 under.. so i technically got the right total.
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He called me through to tell me i was 0.2 over in one section.. so we put a pencil mark next to it and i was called back.. a different entry was 0.2 under.. so i technically got the right total.
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There is a big difference between a log book error and a forgery.
I hope CASA have a look, maybe they can tell me where the 1.2hrs is that my log book is out by, I have spent hrs going through it with no joy.
I hope CASA have a look, maybe they can tell me where the 1.2hrs is that my log book is out by, I have spent hrs going through it with no joy.
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Bodging the book is a fools game in my opinion. it will bite you in the ass eventually, and hopefully those that do it get caught.
On the other hand, how will CASA ever find out about the several thousand hours that.......... someone........ has flown and not logged, due to not being rated for the work or endorsed on type?.
On the other hand, how will CASA ever find out about the several thousand hours that.......... someone........ has flown and not logged, due to not being rated for the work or endorsed on type?.
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I started an Excel logbook back when I had 100hrs.. kept it going, and luckily my log book matches it.
I flew with a knob once... he claimed (as a pax) in the PN68 as command and put my name down as Co-pilot. Told me I needed to log it command and put HIS name down as Co-pilot. Thank god he spelt my name wrong!
then the tool told me that... wait for this... its Gold!
PIC is when you are endorsed on an aircraft and in the front seat ( left or right and even if you are a pax, he logged command on a B58 charter as a pax. didn't even work for the company that flew the acft )
Co-Pilot is... it gets better! ..... Co-pilot is when you are NOT endorsed on an aircraft... and you are in the front seat..
FK me, I could have some B737 Co-pilot time in my book from when I was riding jumpseat!
what a tool!
no wonder CASA wouldn't honour his 2CREW, 727 endorsement from Yogslavia. Anyone at casa pm i'll give you his name and last known location
I flew with a knob once... he claimed (as a pax) in the PN68 as command and put my name down as Co-pilot. Told me I needed to log it command and put HIS name down as Co-pilot. Thank god he spelt my name wrong!
then the tool told me that... wait for this... its Gold!
PIC is when you are endorsed on an aircraft and in the front seat ( left or right and even if you are a pax, he logged command on a B58 charter as a pax. didn't even work for the company that flew the acft )
Co-Pilot is... it gets better! ..... Co-pilot is when you are NOT endorsed on an aircraft... and you are in the front seat..
FK me, I could have some B737 Co-pilot time in my book from when I was riding jumpseat!
what a tool!
no wonder CASA wouldn't honour his 2CREW, 727 endorsement from Yogslavia. Anyone at casa pm i'll give you his name and last known location
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Yes, but CASA is also interested in hours being legitimately entered in log books but NOT in the MR.
Seems like some twits do the hours and are happy to log them without realising that the underwriting of the MR is an even more heinous crime.
Seems like some twits do the hours and are happy to log them without realising that the underwriting of the MR is an even more heinous crime.
Is it a crime if you haven't filled out you log book for 5 years?
Would they accept the 296 logs as a logbook?
(semi-serious questions)
Would they accept the 296 logs as a logbook?
(semi-serious questions)
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The other day I logged .5 alone trying to takeoff at Darwin. Come get me CASA!
I knew this bloke, aged about 40 at the time, who had 11,000 hours in his logbook (including 1,000 at night).
But to hear his views and opinions (on things flying) you knew that he was closer to the 5,000 hours mark.
Pilots that really have 11,000 hours don't think and sound the same as 5,000 hour pilots.
This individual was particularly vain - hence, I believe, the grossly inflated logbook (his image as a pilot was the subject of the vanity).
PM me CASA - I would be only too happy to give you his name - and specific periods in his flying career that you would find interesting.
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I know someone that logged time in a Seneca as a rear facing passenger in the back! He came unstuck when his instructor (the Seneca owner) was going through his log book for his BFR and noticed his own rego 
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An instructor buddy of mine told me a few years ago the story of a fresh young student pilot who brought in his logbook to be signed off by his instructor at this particular flying school he was at. The instructor opened it up to discover it was already half full with hundreds of flights on all sorts of aircraft ranging from his real training flights to long haul in B747 and Airbus aircraft. Turns out he had also been logging all his microsoft flight simulator time. Wonder if he had the space shuttle in there too. 
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I met this big headed jerk about 2 years ago who had about 40 actual hours and hadn't yet (probably still) been released for his first solo (which I later found out). He had friends who were low time pilots who would take him up in their piston twin flights. Anyway, I was at a function (non aviation related) and this guy was bragging to a few of us about all the 'Duchess, Seneca, Partinavia etc' co pilot time he has logged and told us he was currently working as a 'Co pilot' on these multi engine aircraft flying all over the country. Not knowing any better, a few of the ladies he was trying to gloat to seemed quite impressed about it. He almost fell out of his chair redfaced when I told him I was a pilot flying jets for a major airline. Turns out he was actually logging this 'co pilot' time and tried to defend himself to me about it. What a f
g muppet.
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I met this big headed jerk about 2 years ago who had about 40 actual hours and hadn't yet (probably still) been released for his first solo (which I later found out). He had friends who were low time pilots who would take him up in their piston twin flights. Anyway, I was at a function (non aviation related) and this guy was bragging to a few of us about all the 'Duchess, Seneca, Partinavia etc' co pilot time he has logged and told us he was currently working as a 'Co pilot' on these multi engine aircraft flying all over the country. Not knowing any better, a few of the ladies he was trying to gloat to seemed quite impressed about it. He almost fell out of his chair redfaced when I told him I was a pilot flying jets for a major airline. Turns out he was actually logging this 'co pilot' time and tried to defend himself to me about it. What a f
g muppet.
I couldn't believe it when issued my ATPL CASA only wanted to see the last three pages of my logbook. Totally inadequate IMO. CASA should start with an audit of all ATPL licence holders especially if employed in RPT, anyone with fraudulent entries can lose their licence and find a new job. 
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Then there was the Ansett pilot who had "logged time" as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot with the RAN. He was found out when some real ex-RAN fighter jocks in Ansett were asked if they knew him and they denounced him. Turns out he'd been a cadet or midshipman or whatever and never seen a "Scooter" in his life...
He's now with Qantas and climbing the greasey pole.
He's now with Qantas and climbing the greasey pole.
There's a guy on the South Asia and Far East forum who claims to have 8000 hours at 24 years of age. This would mean flying 1000 hours a year since 16 years of age for 8 years straight! How many people fly max hours right from when they started ab initio? Flying max hours as a student pilot? yeah right!! lol!
BTW, I was told by an FAA flight instructor that any hours you fly after getting "your ticket" (his words) is PIC time if you're rated on that aircraft for that type of operation regardless of whether there is another pilot flying. ie, it sounds like you can you have two people logging PIC time in the US? Sounds dodge to me!
BTW, I was told by an FAA flight instructor that any hours you fly after getting "your ticket" (his words) is PIC time if you're rated on that aircraft for that type of operation regardless of whether there is another pilot flying. ie, it sounds like you can you have two people logging PIC time in the US? Sounds dodge to me!
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wow
okay maybe sloppy maths isn't what they are after then!
I can't believe this actually happens. I've not met one pilot thats done/admitted to it (yet). How stupid.
Heres me worrying about being a few hours out!
I can't believe this actually happens. I've not met one pilot thats done/admitted to it (yet). How stupid.
Heres me worrying about being a few hours out!
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296 hours underestimate quite a bit.
When I get enthusiastic (or usually - have to report hrs) i put the 296 flights in a spreadsheet and add a bit for taxi to match the hour meter. This has been as high as 0.16hrs per flight for a period of short flights which seems a bit much for taxi at the fields concerned.
When I get enthusiastic (or usually - have to report hrs) i put the 296 flights in a spreadsheet and add a bit for taxi to match the hour meter. This has been as high as 0.16hrs per flight for a period of short flights which seems a bit much for taxi at the fields concerned.