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DeltaT, mate, you're dreamin'.
NZ aviation last had a "national award" back in about 1988...it's long gone and won't be coming back. Other than Australia, is there any other country in the world that still has National Awards?
NZ aviation last had a "national award" back in about 1988...it's long gone and won't be coming back. Other than Australia, is there any other country in the world that still has National Awards?
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So how will this work? Jet* pilot group based in CHC getting paid $AUS and another pilot group based in AKL getting paid $NZD. Bummer to be the Auckland lot...
But as some have said here a jobs a job in times like these. Do what you gotta do to make yourself happy, but THINK about it before forking out $$$ for a type rating. If it all went tits up where would that leave you? Pretty farken out of pocket I would suggest.
Bloody glad I made a few thousand coffees whilst studying......
But as some have said here a jobs a job in times like these. Do what you gotta do to make yourself happy, but THINK about it before forking out $$$ for a type rating. If it all went tits up where would that leave you? Pretty farken out of pocket I would suggest.
Bloody glad I made a few thousand coffees whilst studying......
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Ah Ok so you are going to turn down a jet job in order to stand on principle, are you
I earn more than an F/O at jetstar NZ on my dash, and my pay goes up every year. I am not paying $45k to take a pay cut.
They could have just payed slightly less than PacificBlue, and still have a lower cost structure. What a pack of W**kers
Ive take my application off the web site, and they aren't getting a cent of my $181.50.
Im still keen for my first jet job remoak, but Im going to hold off for Air NZ, or Jetconnect. Any kiwi that accepts these conditions deserves F**k all!!!
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thank you an3_bolt
........so by paying the "going rate price" that is your worth........what is perceived has nothing to do with anything.......so my original statement stands
and Spikey, it wouldn't make one iota of difference what i thought my house/car or wife was worth, i would only be able to get the price you (or the market) are prepared to pay.......i would then have two choices sell at your asking price or withdraw from the market............pretty basic really.
People will pay what is "going rate pricing" or what is perceived to be the correct pricing.
You are only worth what your clients think you are worth
In business some sellers are price makers some are price takers. Conditions do change where sellers go from being a maker to a taker or vice versa.
Lets take a couple of examples.
Fuel companies are price makers. Watch them stick together.
Food growers are generally price takers. They operate as individuals. They get picked off by the purchasing reps of the food chains.
I'll give an example of where food growers went from being price takers to being almost in the price maker category. The kiwi fruit farmers in New Zealand were getting poor returns when there were several selling houses competing with each other to marketing the product overseas, once they formed a single marketing agency their returns went up several fold.
It would appear unity brings wealth.
Are pilots price makers or price takers? Why? What can be done to improve the situation?
I have some opinions on the matter but I'll hold off on those for a bit.
Lets take a couple of examples.
Fuel companies are price makers. Watch them stick together.
Food growers are generally price takers. They operate as individuals. They get picked off by the purchasing reps of the food chains.
I'll give an example of where food growers went from being price takers to being almost in the price maker category. The kiwi fruit farmers in New Zealand were getting poor returns when there were several selling houses competing with each other to marketing the product overseas, once they formed a single marketing agency their returns went up several fold.
It would appear unity brings wealth.
Are pilots price makers or price takers? Why? What can be done to improve the situation?
I have some opinions on the matter but I'll hold off on those for a bit.
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And then these pilots wonder why they lose total respect among their contemporaries. Its got absolutely nothing to do with "market forces"....its exploitation driven by greed to maximise profits in order to line the pockets of CEOs and the like. Those pilots who agree to these deplorable T & Cs aren’t doing others let alone themselves any favours. Remoak and the rest who go to jet* NZ..... look forward to hearing your incessant whinging about your T&Cs on pprune in the future. An3 seeing you’re an expert on “market forces and prices” what are pilots worth?????? please I’d like to see how you formulate an appropriate $ value, seeing you haven’t even used words like inflation, GDP, social issues, economic growth when describing a ‘pilots worth’.
So what’s the recruitment process...............Can you bend over and touch your toes?
So what’s the recruitment process...............Can you bend over and touch your toes?
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More to the point, T&Cs for pilots, globally speaking, have been on the slide for years. That is partly because they were over-valued in the first place, but also because the industry can no longer support them
Why should it be up to the flight crew (and cabin crew) to drop income to unheard of levels just to support the punters low cost airfares, increased shareholders dividends and ridiculously excessive CEO salaries.
remoak if flying a "shiny new jet" for the same pay as a coffee maker floats your boat, go for it mate, and good luck, but you definately won't see me there.
BTW just how low will you some of you guys go in order to fly a shiny new jet. I bet there are some airline companies out there that would like to know.
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Ah Remoak, you're back.
On another thread you were boasting how wealthy you were, and why it was worthwhile being an ex-pat. Now it seems that you were being a bit economical with the truth. You want (or need) a job with Jetstar NZ now eh? How the mighty must have fallen.
By the way guys, the numbers being touted here are incorrect. That I know for certain.
On another thread you were boasting how wealthy you were, and why it was worthwhile being an ex-pat. Now it seems that you were being a bit economical with the truth. You want (or need) a job with Jetstar NZ now eh? How the mighty must have fallen.
By the way guys, the numbers being touted here are incorrect. That I know for certain.
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Puma Pants......
I don't think ANYONE with any sort of exposure/understanding of the lowcost model/philosophy would be surprised to learn what you've said.
What does amaze me however is the level of ignorance and misguided morality when it comes to the subject of remuneration.
There are literally scores of expats here in the UK, Europe, and the sandpit with big-bus and minibus time who will view this for precisely what it is...a means to an end.
For some that means bringing the family home, for some it means familiarity, for some it means escaping the UK winter, for some it means a potential position after being laid off, for all the money is part of the equation...but I would politely suggest that it would only comprise around 25% of the decision making process.
Jetstar NZ can fish all they want, (its a well worn process understood by many) but until they put some meat on the bones....few if any experienced people will do anything other than express some interest.
I don't think ANYONE with any sort of exposure/understanding of the lowcost model/philosophy would be surprised to learn what you've said.
What does amaze me however is the level of ignorance and misguided morality when it comes to the subject of remuneration.
There are literally scores of expats here in the UK, Europe, and the sandpit with big-bus and minibus time who will view this for precisely what it is...a means to an end.
For some that means bringing the family home, for some it means familiarity, for some it means escaping the UK winter, for some it means a potential position after being laid off, for all the money is part of the equation...but I would politely suggest that it would only comprise around 25% of the decision making process.
Jetstar NZ can fish all they want, (its a well worn process understood by many) but until they put some meat on the bones....few if any experienced people will do anything other than express some interest.
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Some of you think that the managers or off-siders dont read these forums to gauge what people may accept as a salary...
I agree that the pay if this is accurate, it is not that great, but as has been said, a job is better than sitting in the dole line looking for one...
Surely those that really need one will apply for this and those that earn more elsewhere will not ?
I for one am happy where I am for now, as a start up co in this economic climate it could be a big gamble especialy if some of you have kids and a certain lifestyle choices to think of.
Also some are missing the point, sure the market will only pay so much, but if we keep taking a little off here and there, it comes down and down. Surely std prac, this is what I'm offering, what do you think you are worth ? They come up and you come down and you meet somewhere ABOVE what they were originaly offering. This is usually done by the unions during negotiations but it DOES happen.
Some of you just need to have a look out the window at the ecconomy and realise that thisjob for some may be VERY much needed.
I agree that the pay if this is accurate, it is not that great, but as has been said, a job is better than sitting in the dole line looking for one...
Surely those that really need one will apply for this and those that earn more elsewhere will not ?
I for one am happy where I am for now, as a start up co in this economic climate it could be a big gamble especialy if some of you have kids and a certain lifestyle choices to think of.
Also some are missing the point, sure the market will only pay so much, but if we keep taking a little off here and there, it comes down and down. Surely std prac, this is what I'm offering, what do you think you are worth ? They come up and you come down and you meet somewhere ABOVE what they were originaly offering. This is usually done by the unions during negotiations but it DOES happen.
Some of you just need to have a look out the window at the ecconomy and realise that thisjob for some may be VERY much needed.
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puma pants
I think you have me confused for somebody else... but in any case, I just prefer flying here to flying in Europe. Many of my Kiwi ex-colleagues feel the same way, and have applied to Jetstar. We don't NEED to fly for them, we just WANT to fly from a NZ base.
There are only so many days you can spend on the beach before you get bored, you know. Hmmm, what should I do? Go and join Air Nelson (if I can be be bothered paying for the "50 hours recent NZ I/F time" that they say they want - because we all know that I/F time in other countries is worthless)? No thanks. Eagle/Chook/ etc - go fly a small turboprop for not much money and be stuck in the right seat for however long it takes? Mmmm, no thanks. Join the queue for Air NZ, knowing that at my age, even if I were to get in I would probably never see a command before I retired? No thanks. Or go fly for Jetstar, and avoid all the nightmares mentioned above, but for a little less money? Hmmm, why not?
At the end of the day, most pilots who have been at it more than a couple of years value lifestyle over absolute salary.
And as I'm not going to be swayed bt the stupidest argument on the planet - that my taking a job there would somehow disadvantage others - I might just give it a go.
The ones that pretend they don't want this sort of job, or are claiming to stand on principle, just leave more room for the rest of us who understand that the market shapes salaries, not the futile "world owes me a living" dreams of pilots firmly stuck in the '60s.
And as for this:
...has to be the most comprehensive refusal to see the big picture that I have ever seen.
And this:
Err... now let me see. Why is any company in business? Could it be to make a profit? I wonder... And why do CEOs and "the like" earn such large sums? Could it be because the company succeeds or fails as a direct result of their actions? And that the sort of people able to pull off a low-cost airline successfully are extremely rare? And why would any company employ a CEO on a high salary when they could get an equally qualified one for less? Could it be because the market shapes CEO salaries/bonuses as well?
Sorry, your 1960's socialist dogma doesn't apply here...
Really don't know ANYTHING about how businesses work, do you?
Well I'm pleased to hear that, but your argument is a crock. If a reasonably experienced pilot joins Jetstar, as an F/O, he or she can expect to be looking at a command within a year or two. Now he or she is making twice what the barista does. If said pilot wants to move on and get into training and management, they will end up earning 2.5-3 times what the barista does. Plus whatever other benefits are on offer.
Now, let's say our new F/O does a few years with Jetstar and the moves on to a larger arline, i.e. Emirates or Cathay. Now they have the jet experience they need to be attractive to the larger airline. Now they can expect to end up earning more like five times what the barista did. And probably having more fun.
It's called "big picture", folks...
I think you have me confused for somebody else... but in any case, I just prefer flying here to flying in Europe. Many of my Kiwi ex-colleagues feel the same way, and have applied to Jetstar. We don't NEED to fly for them, we just WANT to fly from a NZ base.
There are only so many days you can spend on the beach before you get bored, you know. Hmmm, what should I do? Go and join Air Nelson (if I can be be bothered paying for the "50 hours recent NZ I/F time" that they say they want - because we all know that I/F time in other countries is worthless)? No thanks. Eagle/Chook/ etc - go fly a small turboprop for not much money and be stuck in the right seat for however long it takes? Mmmm, no thanks. Join the queue for Air NZ, knowing that at my age, even if I were to get in I would probably never see a command before I retired? No thanks. Or go fly for Jetstar, and avoid all the nightmares mentioned above, but for a little less money? Hmmm, why not?
At the end of the day, most pilots who have been at it more than a couple of years value lifestyle over absolute salary.
And as I'm not going to be swayed bt the stupidest argument on the planet - that my taking a job there would somehow disadvantage others - I might just give it a go.
The ones that pretend they don't want this sort of job, or are claiming to stand on principle, just leave more room for the rest of us who understand that the market shapes salaries, not the futile "world owes me a living" dreams of pilots firmly stuck in the '60s.
And as for this:
Ive take my application off the web site, and they aren't getting a cent of my $181.50.
And this:
Its got absolutely nothing to do with "market forces"....its exploitation driven by greed to maximise profits in order to line the pockets of CEOs and the like.
Sorry, your 1960's socialist dogma doesn't apply here...
What utter crap.... put the ticket price up a few dollars and drop the CEO and ilk multi million dollar packages.
remoak if flying a "shiny new jet" for the same pay as a coffee maker floats your boat, go for it mate, and good luck, but you definately won't see me there.
Now, let's say our new F/O does a few years with Jetstar and the moves on to a larger arline, i.e. Emirates or Cathay. Now they have the jet experience they need to be attractive to the larger airline. Now they can expect to end up earning more like five times what the barista did. And probably having more fun.
It's called "big picture", folks...
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Anyone receive a similar email as the one quoted below..........let the games begin/....
"We very much appreciate your continued interest in a position with Jetstar Airways Limited in New Zealand. Due to an overwhelming response for the limited number of positions available, we ask if you have not as yet completed the assessment to not complete it at this stage.
Your application will be held open and we will further advise when we are in a position to process your file."
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"We very much appreciate your continued interest in a position with Jetstar Airways Limited in New Zealand. Due to an overwhelming response for the limited number of positions available, we ask if you have not as yet completed the assessment to not complete it at this stage.
Your application will be held open and we will further advise when we are in a position to process your file."
mmmmmmmmm
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I got one too. Which is funny because I took my name off the staff CV web site. Its also funny because the original email said you had two weeks to get the testing done, now they pull the plug after a couple of days.
Think maybe puma pants is right.
Think maybe puma pants is right.
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I think you are right......I got this email 30 minutes after talking to HR about when the T&C's. I was told that it has yet to be finalized, but Sal informed me that he would email me by he end of the week with an update........its interesting....
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Anyone receive a similar email as the one quoted below..........let the games begin/....
"We very much appreciate your continued interest in a position with Jetstar Airways Limited in New Zealand. Due to an overwhelming response for the limited number of positions available, we ask if you have not as yet completed the assessment to not complete it at this stage.
Your application will be held open and we will further advise when we are in a position to process your file."
mmmmmmmmm
"We very much appreciate your continued interest in a position with Jetstar Airways Limited in New Zealand. Due to an overwhelming response for the limited number of positions available, we ask if you have not as yet completed the assessment to not complete it at this stage.
Your application will be held open and we will further advise when we are in a position to process your file."
mmmmmmmmm
No thanks. Eagle/Chook/ etc - go fly a small turboprop for not much money and be stuck in the right seat for however long it takes?
Good luck to all who go further
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Have also withdrawn application, having received the invite to continue with paying the $181.
Agree with you Hanz Blix, am making more money staying in the regional over the next couple of years, with better job security, and wait for a better opportunity.
Agree with you Hanz Blix, am making more money staying in the regional over the next couple of years, with better job security, and wait for a better opportunity.