Jetstar NZ Pay
Wow, I am so pleased there are a lot of intelligent posts in this thread...
I would've thought that the Aussies who think they are being undercut by the New Zealand operation would be trying to help the New Zealand operation get its T&C's equalled out with themselves. Otherwise enough Jetconnect pilots who may loose their jobs now, NZ based regional pilots with shiny jet syndrome and kiwis based overseas who have lost their jobs in Europe or around the world) who would take anything to feed their families will mean that the Aussie operation will quietly move off shore and the managers of Jetstar will get their bonuses this year.
But the name calling is really going to help the Australian based pilots make sure that they keep their jobs and the same (or better) T&C's. You're not going to stop certain people taking jobs with worse T&C's, especially those who see the job as an easy way to get into the pointy end of a jet, but name calling those people and abusing them is one sure fired way to get them standing with you to change the T&C's in the future.
If you want to improve the situation stand together, don't point the finger at them, otherwise they'll just give you the one finger salute and tell you to jog on, wait until they're all on board and then collectively work to improving them.
But hey what do you all care? Its quite entertaining watching adults, professional pilots with many many years experience in aviation, go at each other worse than a 5 year old in a school playground.
I would've thought that the Aussies who think they are being undercut by the New Zealand operation would be trying to help the New Zealand operation get its T&C's equalled out with themselves. Otherwise enough Jetconnect pilots who may loose their jobs now, NZ based regional pilots with shiny jet syndrome and kiwis based overseas who have lost their jobs in Europe or around the world) who would take anything to feed their families will mean that the Aussie operation will quietly move off shore and the managers of Jetstar will get their bonuses this year.
But the name calling is really going to help the Australian based pilots make sure that they keep their jobs and the same (or better) T&C's. You're not going to stop certain people taking jobs with worse T&C's, especially those who see the job as an easy way to get into the pointy end of a jet, but name calling those people and abusing them is one sure fired way to get them standing with you to change the T&C's in the future.
If you want to improve the situation stand together, don't point the finger at them, otherwise they'll just give you the one finger salute and tell you to jog on, wait until they're all on board and then collectively work to improving them.
But hey what do you all care? Its quite entertaining watching adults, professional pilots with many many years experience in aviation, go at each other worse than a 5 year old in a school playground.
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so where are your statistics?
One of many... but if you don't know how to use Google, I can't help you.
Do you have inside information that you would like to share? Have you been involved in their training or being a recipient of their training system?
I have been involved with the Easyjet training department, and have two close friends who are senior training captains at Ryanair. I also had links to the training department at Go when it still existed, and worked for Buzz briefly when they were still in business. I also have some friends in Southwest. The selection and training in all of them is, or was, solid.
However all that is pretty much irrelevant. All these airlines started from scratch and grew very, very quickly. With all the training and flying risk that entails, it is actually pretty amazing that they got through their initial growth phase with no incidents. It is pretty much solely down to insistence on high standards at all times.
low cost should not equal low pay! Southwest being the perfect example!!
I'm not an advocate of low pay, I'm like everyone else and would like as much as I can get. But I am also a realist who sees that the initial salary offer is just a beginning point. Market forces will almost certainly make pilot retention an issue when the economy picks up. T&Cs will then improve. it's an old, old pattern.
The smart pilot looks beyond the figures on the contract and thinks a few years ahead. There is no doubt that Jetstar is a great opportunity for many. Sitting on the sideline pretending to be standing on principle hurts only one party... and it isn't Jetstar or those that work there. It's pretty easy to see who will advance farther and faster, and it isn't the self-righteous turboprop and GA drivers...
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The link you show indicates that there are many lower cost airlines in the bottom ranking scores.
In addition - can you explain why the rumour info that I have is that Jestar in Australia has not undergone an IOSA audit?
Dude - there is no need to get like that. We are not children. I am trying to have a reasoned discussion.
In addition - can you explain why the rumour info that I have is that Jestar in Australia has not undergone an IOSA audit?
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The link you show indicates that there are many lower cost airlines in the bottom ranking scores.
In addition - can you explain why the rumour info that I have is that Jestar in Australia has not undergone an IOSA audit?
I am trying to have a reasoned discussion.
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Did you know that in NZ, they bury people twelve foot under. That's because deep down they're very nice people.
However, in Oz, they only bury Kiwi's one foot under. That's because even when they're dead, they still expect their hand out.
However, in Oz, they only bury Kiwi's one foot under. That's because even when they're dead, they still expect their hand out.
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There's some nasty pieces of work on this thread... hopefully with tongue firmly in cheek.
Honestly, even us Kiwis need jobs. If the airlines won't offer kiwi pilots anything decent, then they have to accept what they're given. Everyone needs money to live.
Pipe dream if you think the airlines will stop shafting everyone on Ts and Cs and bring parity to Oz and NZ pilots. It takes two to tango, so it's not enirely or just the fault of the kiwi pilots is it?
Honestly, even us Kiwis need jobs. If the airlines won't offer kiwi pilots anything decent, then they have to accept what they're given. Everyone needs money to live.
Pipe dream if you think the airlines will stop shafting everyone on Ts and Cs and bring parity to Oz and NZ pilots. It takes two to tango, so it's not enirely or just the fault of the kiwi pilots is it?
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"What kind of head would even consider this??"
Any one of the truckload of pilots about to become unemployed as the downturn causes havoc on the airline industry.
Who knows , muff hunter, you mite be one of them.
Would you still be a #$%^head then?
Any one of the truckload of pilots about to become unemployed as the downturn causes havoc on the airline industry.
Who knows , muff hunter, you mite be one of them.
Would you still be a #$%^head then?
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You know Australia wouldnt be such a bad place if it wasnt filled with F***ing Australians.
Bahaahhaahahhahaaaa
have you complaining dickheads read your posts?
Look at the lot of you, all complaining about nothing.
Who gives a toss what Jetstar are going to pay, if you want a jet job, go apply, if you dont want one then shut the F*** up!
Unless every single pilot in the world boycotts pilots salaries nothing will ever happen
and if the minimum wage is paid pilots will go fly, simple.
In fact pilots have been known to fly for food. Hence the T shirt
Bahaahhaahahhahaaaa
have you complaining dickheads read your posts?
Look at the lot of you, all complaining about nothing.
Who gives a toss what Jetstar are going to pay, if you want a jet job, go apply, if you dont want one then shut the F*** up!
Unless every single pilot in the world boycotts pilots salaries nothing will ever happen
and if the minimum wage is paid pilots will go fly, simple.
In fact pilots have been known to fly for food. Hence the T shirt
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A major earthquake, measuring 9.1 on the Richter scale has hit New Zealand this morning. The country is devastated with 350,000 New Zealanders missing, and over 100,000 injured.
The country is totally ruined and the government is so overwhelmed that it has issued a worldwide appeal for assistance. Other nations have been quick to respond to the disaster.
Britain is flying in rescue workers and sniffer dogs to help locate trapped victims.
The USA is flying in food supplies and aid money.
France is flying in doctors, nurses and first aid units.
Japan is flying in high tech communications equipment.
Germany is flying in special trained police squads to help restore order.
Russia is flying in tents and warm clothing.
Australia is flying in 350,000 replacement Kiwis.......
The country is totally ruined and the government is so overwhelmed that it has issued a worldwide appeal for assistance. Other nations have been quick to respond to the disaster.
Britain is flying in rescue workers and sniffer dogs to help locate trapped victims.
The USA is flying in food supplies and aid money.
France is flying in doctors, nurses and first aid units.
Japan is flying in high tech communications equipment.
Germany is flying in special trained police squads to help restore order.
Russia is flying in tents and warm clothing.
Australia is flying in 350,000 replacement Kiwis.......
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Word is there has been a mass exodus of Kiwis from Victoria in the past week on account there is not enough doorways left for them to stand in
How do you know if you're an Aussie?
You let your 15 year old daughter smoke at the dinner table in front of her kids
A Chinese man decides to move to Australia after 50 years of living in Shanghai.
He buys a small piece of land near to Mt Isa.
A few days after moving in the friendly Aussie neighbour decides to go across and welcome the new guy to the region, so he goes next door, but on his way up the drive-way, he sees the Chinese man running around his front yard chasing about 10 hens.
Not wanting to interrupt these "Chinese customs", he decides to put the welcome on hold for the day.
The next day, he decides to try again, but just as he is about to knock on the front door, he looks through the window and sees the Chinese man urinate into a glass and then drink it.
Not wanting to interrupt another "Chinese custom" he decides to put the welcome on hold for yet another day.
A day later he decides to give it one last go, but on his way next door, he sees the Chinese man leading a cow down the drive-way, pause, and then put his mouth next to the cow's bum.
The Aussie bloke can't handle this, so he goes up to the Chinese man and says "Jeez Mate, what the hell is it with your Chinese customs? I come over to welcome you to the neighbour hood, and see you running around the yard after hens. The next day you are pissing in a glass, and drinking it and then today you have your head so close to that cow's bum, it could just about sh1t on you."
The Chinese man is very taken back and says "Sorry sir, you do not understand; these aren't Chinese customs I am performing, but Australian customs."
"What do you mean mate" says the Aussie, "Those aren't Australian customs."
"Yes they are", replied the Chinese man, "for you see, in order for me to become a true Australian, I must chase chicks, drink p1ss, and talk to bull-sh1t"
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Gold
H1 that is pure gold! Mostly sounds like he fits his name to a 'T'....what do you call an Aussie in a shirt and tie.........? The defendant.
