NT Aeromed
The tender date being pushed back IS unfair to those who had their submissions in on time - no question. But the NT Government will continue to just make it up as they go along, including setting deadlines, contract specifications, etc. and when the time comes they will shift the goalposts, if required, to suit themselves - without hesitation... 
Seeing this happen does not surprise me in the slightest. At least it's not an out and out lie, such as they have been peddling to the nurses...
How are your "expressions of interest" coming along Careflight? Will an extra two weeks be enough for you to "field a team" for the game in January?
CR.
PS What are the chances that similar to the tender closing date being revised, the interim contract finishing date (Dec 31st) will be extended in November?!
Seeing this happen does not surprise me in the slightest. At least it's not an out and out lie, such as they have been peddling to the nurses...
How are your "expressions of interest" coming along Careflight? Will an extra two weeks be enough for you to "field a team" for the game in January?
CR.
PS What are the chances that similar to the tender closing date being revised, the interim contract finishing date (Dec 31st) will be extended in November?!
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Would it really be profitable to ramp up a suitable fleet, hangar, maintenance, nurses, admin, management, pilots etc to satisfy a 6 months INTERIM contract in the NT........
Either these guys have a near guarantee on the current tender or that is one hell of 6 month contract....!!
Either these guys have a near guarantee on the current tender or that is one hell of 6 month contract....!!
the 6 month Interim contract is a double edged sword in itself.
It gives Careflight the opportunity to show the NT Govt their capability (not just on paper), but it also gives them 6 months to balls something up and put a bad taste in their mouth.
So nothing is ever a done deal until it's a done deal.
It gives Careflight the opportunity to show the NT Govt their capability (not just on paper), but it also gives them 6 months to balls something up and put a bad taste in their mouth.
So nothing is ever a done deal until it's a done deal.
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Fair enough...
but who is the recognized leader of Aus (SE and ME) aeromed services in Aus and why does the (northern) NT Gov seem so reluctant to make such a obvious choice...
but who is the recognized leader of Aus (SE and ME) aeromed services in Aus and why does the (northern) NT Gov seem so reluctant to make such a obvious choice...
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Tenders have to be delt with in a fashion that gives all plares a fair chance. On the face of it Central section would have to be the obvious choice however expect very competitive tenders from SE Section, Pelair, Pearl, CHC maybe and perhaps even NJS.
Things are tough out there these days and players will be going for economy of scale to reduce costs. SE Section will be hungry after losing out to pearl in EN but maybe they'll be scared to step on CS's towes. If twins should win out in the NT non B200 players will have increased costs of training, admin and parts store. Lots of extra costs here over a tenderer who already runs the B200 especially proline training.
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Things are tough out there these days and players will be going for economy of scale to reduce costs. SE Section will be hungry after losing out to pearl in EN but maybe they'll be scared to step on CS's towes. If twins should win out in the NT non B200 players will have increased costs of training, admin and parts store. Lots of extra costs here over a tenderer who already runs the B200 especially proline training.
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The SE Contract now a done dinner never had the option of SE airframes for various reasons. The Ambo's union in the original contract I believe said they would not have their member fly in SE craft for safety reasons, & rightly so
I believe (& it's only that) that IF a SE airframe (PC) does go down with fatalities then that would wake up a few money driven people whom make these silly decisions, only hope that I am totally wrong. We often see that in life that nothing is seriously done about such a crazy decision until 'after' the event. people die at railway xings, they fix it 'afterwards'.
All of course personal opinion/s & it's about choice, personal choice
They don't make SE Airliners (even though they could with the pwr of today's donks)for the most obvious reason!
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I believe (& it's only that) that IF a SE airframe (PC) does go down with fatalities then that would wake up a few money driven people whom make these silly decisions, only hope that I am totally wrong. We often see that in life that nothing is seriously done about such a crazy decision until 'after' the event. people die at railway xings, they fix it 'afterwards'.
All of course personal opinion/s & it's about choice, personal choice
They don't make SE Airliners (even though they could with the pwr of today's donks)for the most obvious reason! Wmk2
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interesting news article from earlier today
CareFlight's secret deal | Northern Territory News | Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia | ntnews.com.au
CareFlight's secret deal | Northern Territory News | Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia | ntnews.com.au
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Yesterday, CareFlight director Ian Badham refused to discuss Australasian Jet's involvement in the contract.
"It is not particularly relevant," he said.
"People will be dealing with CareFlight. They won't be dealing with Australasia Jet or Pel-Air or any other company."
"It is not particularly relevant," he said.
"People will be dealing with CareFlight. They won't be dealing with Australasia Jet or Pel-Air or any other company."
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from the article
But Mr Sawyer stressed that Australasian Jet was an "entirely different" company to the failed Territory subsidiary - Australasian Jet NT. "There was a remote link, but it was a stand-alone business," he said.
"Australasian Jet NT took over a fledging business. It was basically a rebadge of an existing business. We didn't have much of a chance on that one."
Ausjet still paints a pretty rosy picture of its NT operation on its website... would that be "entirely different" or "prepared for the future"...
But Mr Sawyer stressed that Australasian Jet was an "entirely different" company to the failed Territory subsidiary - Australasian Jet NT. "There was a remote link, but it was a stand-alone business," he said.
"Australasian Jet NT took over a fledging business. It was basically a rebadge of an existing business. We didn't have much of a chance on that one."
Ausjet still paints a pretty rosy picture of its NT operation on its website... would that be "entirely different" or "prepared for the future"...
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Gotta love how they try to cut their links with the NT Business!
AusJet and AusJet NT - They were owned, managed and operated by the same close knit team... how exactly does that make them entirely different!
AusJet and AusJet NT - They were owned, managed and operated by the same close knit team... how exactly does that make them entirely different!
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"Australasian Jet NT took over a fledging business. It was basically a rebadge of an existing business. We didn't have much of a chance on that one."
Fledgling business.....like hell. It was formerly Northern Air Charter which had been around for a few years (I was at their 5th anniversary bash and they were around for a few more years after that) and there were a few predecessors to NAC.
When Australasian Jet took over NAC in substitution of debt it was a failing enterprise and they did nothing to help that situation with poor management.
To try and distance themselves from that failed effort is nothing but spin. It is the same lot again.
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pc12togo If you refer to the Mt Gambier crash, sadly yes, the only RFDS aircraft to crash in Australia was a B200.....however (as anyone who has read the ATSB report would know) the crash had nothing to do with the number of engines.
It was NOT the only aeromedical aircraft to crash in this country; not by a LONG shot. I can name at least nine more off the top of my head, at least four of which were single engine aircraft.
Do you have a point?
It was NOT the only aeromedical aircraft to crash in this country; not by a LONG shot. I can name at least nine more off the top of my head, at least four of which were single engine aircraft.
Do you have a point?
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My point (for those who like ecovictim that didn't get it) was that contrary to the previous post from pc12togo, there has been many more than ONE aeromed prang in Australia. Of singles, twins and even quad-engine-configured aircraft. The number of engines was not the issue, the number of crashes was.
Do you have a point in that reply? It was a bit abstract for me to pick up.
BTW, I currently fly both PC12 and B200; I have no interest in turning this into yet another pointless single vs twin debate. Perhaps those with chips on their shoulders on that topic could start their own thread on the subject?
I see valid questions raised on the NT aeromed contract and would love to see those questions asked and answered in a more formal setting....say, NT parliament?
Do you have a point in that reply? It was a bit abstract for me to pick up.
BTW, I currently fly both PC12 and B200; I have no interest in turning this into yet another pointless single vs twin debate. Perhaps those with chips on their shoulders on that topic could start their own thread on the subject?
I see valid questions raised on the NT aeromed contract and would love to see those questions asked and answered in a more formal setting....say, NT parliament?
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sadly yes, the only RFDS aircraft to crash in Australia was a B200
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Jamair, couldn't agree more.
If you fly PC-12 and love em, fill your boots, that's great. The thread is not about this, same goes for one eyed B200 lovers.
The pilots up here currently doing aeromed on the soon to be defunct NTAMS/Pearl contract have their own opinions about what they'd prefer to fly. After all, they are the ones up here doing aeromed.
What I'm sure we'd like to know is
1/What is Pearl going to do with its current aeromed pilots? Who/how many to be redundant/kept on/not paid/retrained?
2/What is the interim and or new operator (TBA) going to operate? (ok the interim operator has said King Airs but given their commencement date of 1/7/10 where are they going to source the 5 aircraft needed and more importantly how will they kit them out with stretchers, med oxy including the plumbing required, stands and braces for monitors etc
3/ T and C. Lets talk turkey. We know were going to be offered a pineapple to bend over too but the question is will they use the spiky end?
If you fly PC-12 and love em, fill your boots, that's great. The thread is not about this, same goes for one eyed B200 lovers.
The pilots up here currently doing aeromed on the soon to be defunct NTAMS/Pearl contract have their own opinions about what they'd prefer to fly. After all, they are the ones up here doing aeromed.
What I'm sure we'd like to know is
1/What is Pearl going to do with its current aeromed pilots? Who/how many to be redundant/kept on/not paid/retrained?
2/What is the interim and or new operator (TBA) going to operate? (ok the interim operator has said King Airs but given their commencement date of 1/7/10 where are they going to source the 5 aircraft needed and more importantly how will they kit them out with stretchers, med oxy including the plumbing required, stands and braces for monitors etc
3/ T and C. Lets talk turkey. We know were going to be offered a pineapple to bend over too but the question is will they use the spiky end?