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So sCareflight don't actually HAVE any aircraft, nor any corporate knowledge of operation of the type, nor any organisational history of managing this type of operation, or any pilots or engineering team, and they STILL got the gig??? Jeezuz WEPT!!!
Someone in NT PLEASE copy this thread to the opposition health spokesman!
Someone in NT PLEASE copy this thread to the opposition health spokesman!
My understanding is that careflight won it based on the medical provision (ie doctors, nurses etc) and that the aircraft were but a tiny part of the overall contract service. sounds strange I know, but that's what happens when you have doctors channeling the direction of a contract.
happy to be corrected of course, I don't work for them.
happy to be corrected of course, I don't work for them.
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I believe careflight have 4 kingairs and are looking for the replacement kingairs with proline 21 gear in them. Two are from ausjet and 2 from overseas.
Al Fentanyl: What gives you the impression that careflight don't have their own pilots and are using ausjet crews?
From talking to some of the careflight (ex pearl) pilots in darwin, they were initially unhappy with careflight, but now say they really like the company. Particularly since ausjet isnt doing the engineering anymore. Now that have aircraft serviceable as would be expected, unlike under ausjet when they were lucky to have 1 aircraft in the air at a time.
Al Fentanyl: What gives you the impression that careflight don't have their own pilots and are using ausjet crews?
From talking to some of the careflight (ex pearl) pilots in darwin, they were initially unhappy with careflight, but now say they really like the company. Particularly since ausjet isnt doing the engineering anymore. Now that have aircraft serviceable as would be expected, unlike under ausjet when they were lucky to have 1 aircraft in the air at a time.
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So will there be any implications for the RFDS base in the Allice? They do say a complete package. You would think if the contract only covers the Darwin based operations that over-run work may be implied.
Edit: What are they paying? T & C's?
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Edit: What are they paying? T & C's?
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Soup Nazi, if the present system is the same as in the past, the contract will only be for the northern half of the NT, down to approximately Elliott. The RFDS has the southern half, up to approximately Elliott. While they can occasionally venture across the "border" it is infrequent.
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3 x bases, 24/7, gotta have 15 pilots, plus Flt Stds and Mgt pilots..... pretty sure Careflight doesn't have that many B200 drivers even from Pearl. So AL has a point - this company got the gig without being able to demonstrate the capacity to acheive it. So they have given assurances that they will be able to? Interesting concept.
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Well we had better get used to it. The RFDS is so top heavy I doubt they'll be competitive against the likes of Pelair and Careflight for a very long time. RFDS its time to consolidate and pool resources or you will be sent back to the bush!
Adelaide will be next, with no actual contract, the RFDS has preferred operator status but that's no contract. Management should be feeling a bit uneasy about all this. It won't be long before Pelair and Careflight come knocking at the door if they have not already done so.
Adelaide will be next, with no actual contract, the RFDS has preferred operator status but that's no contract. Management should be feeling a bit uneasy about all this. It won't be long before Pelair and Careflight come knocking at the door if they have not already done so.
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The RFDS is so top heavy I doubt they'll be competitive against the likes of Pelair and Careflight for a very long time.
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I think you are all getting a little ahead of yourselves with regard to Careflight and Pelair! They both may have won contracts, but both are yet to prove themselves as Air Ambulance operators. Sure they both have retrieval experience, but that pales into insignificance with the number of patients they will now be carrying as air ambulance operators.
As far as the RFDS is concerned, it is my hope that losing a few contracts might be just what the RFDS needs, it just may speed up the consolidation of RFDS assets into one operation, rather than the multiple entities we see at the moment. Anyone willing to wager on who will win the Tassie contract?
PS: Any truth to the rumour that Careflight lost their Senior flight Nurse in Darwin, as well as a number of very experienced nurses in the last couple of weeks? Are there problems in the camp already?
As far as the RFDS is concerned, it is my hope that losing a few contracts might be just what the RFDS needs, it just may speed up the consolidation of RFDS assets into one operation, rather than the multiple entities we see at the moment. Anyone willing to wager on who will win the Tassie contract?
PS: Any truth to the rumour that Careflight lost their Senior flight Nurse in Darwin, as well as a number of very experienced nurses in the last couple of weeks? Are there problems in the camp already?
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Adelaide will be next, with no actual contract, the RFDS has preferred operator status but that's no contract. Management should be feeling a bit uneasy about all this. It won't be long before Pelair and Careflight come knocking at the door if they have not already done so.
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Mate I also live in hope that losing a few contracts may just "shock" the RFDS into consolidation but I won't be holding my breath. Do not underestimate Careflight. They are offering a complete package including Jets, Rotary, Doctors and Nurses. At the moment the RFDS has been caught with it's pants down around it's ankles and these contracts don't come back quick.
The RFDS have to concentrate on their traditional operations but the contract stuff has to be treated as a service to whoever is paying. Give them exactly what they ask for and no more or less. Oh yes and get rid of the "hanger onners" that are "feeding on the fat". They're dragging the operation down.
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Mate I also live in hope that losing a few contracts may just "shock" the RFDS into consolidation but I won't be holding my breath. Do not underestimate Careflight. They are offering a complete package including Jets, Rotary, Doctors and Nurses. At the moment the RFDS has been caught with it's pants down around it's ankles and these contracts don't come back quick.
The RFDS have to concentrate on their traditional operations but the contract stuff has to be treated as a service to whoever is paying. Give them exactly what they ask for and no more or less. Oh yes and get rid of the "hanger onners" that are "feeding on the fat". They're dragging the operation down.
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I believe Pelair had the contract to do the international retrievals for careflight...that is before they ditched the westwind..
Howard, in terms of "proving themselves as air ambulance operators",
my understanding is that careflight have already carried 3 times more than pearl did in the last year.
That's not too bad for a company without a full complement of pilots, C & T pilots, management pilots or senior flight nurse.
Surely they must be doing something ok? Maybe its bc Airnorth is providing all the flight crews, who knows.
Howard, in terms of "proving themselves as air ambulance operators",
my understanding is that careflight have already carried 3 times more than pearl did in the last year.
That's not too bad for a company without a full complement of pilots, C & T pilots, management pilots or senior flight nurse.
Surely they must be doing something ok? Maybe its bc Airnorth is providing all the flight crews, who knows.
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Ask Katherine residents and surrounding communities what they are being supplied with.
ask the NT Gov what they are paying for and if it is actually being delivered?
Comparing the number of uplifts conducted by NTAMS compared to Careflight is pointless. NTAMS did not habitually send a dedicated aeromed a/c and crew out to pick up jobs that could be done in a more efficient way and allow the opportunity for the a/c & crew to do the stuff that was important.
ask the NT Gov what they are paying for and if it is actually being delivered?
Comparing the number of uplifts conducted by NTAMS compared to Careflight is pointless. NTAMS did not habitually send a dedicated aeromed a/c and crew out to pick up jobs that could be done in a more efficient way and allow the opportunity for the a/c & crew to do the stuff that was important.
Maxgrad is correct. Apples with apples, please.
I don't know how to say this without sounding like I'm casting dispersions, but I suspect if all were laid bare tomorrow you may find things like duty hours and airworthiness (ie. what/how many MELs will you carry?) would play a part in dispatch too.
Remember Pearl offered new and newer aircraft to the NT Government last time around - and they went with the cheapest priced, oldest aircraft...
Again I am not suggesting here that there is anything out of order going on at Careflight now, others are in a better position to comment on that...
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I don't know how to say this without sounding like I'm casting dispersions, but I suspect if all were laid bare tomorrow you may find things like duty hours and airworthiness (ie. what/how many MELs will you carry?) would play a part in dispatch too.
Remember Pearl offered new and newer aircraft to the NT Government last time around - and they went with the cheapest priced, oldest aircraft...
Again I am not suggesting here that there is anything out of order going on at Careflight now, others are in a better position to comment on that...
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Remember Pearl offered new and newer aircraft to the NT Government last time around - and they went with the cheapest priced, oldest aircraft...
Rumours and reputations....