Victorian air Ambulance Tender
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Victorian air Ambulance Tender
I noticed in todays Australian, tenders being called by the Victorian Ambulance Service for fixed wing patient transfer. I thought the RFDS won the contact back in 2007, or is going back to tender for some reason?
Whats the goss Captain Wally?
Whats the goss Captain Wally?
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Yep it's getting 2wards that time again, basicly re-apply for yr job!:-(
Up for grabs in 2011. The 2007 contract was extended 4 yrs.
New airframes (hopefully) B200GT, B350 or remotely the P188, (all Pro-Lines 21)the latter airframe most unlikely. At least there won't be one type of airframe, the PC12's......ohhhh I shudder to think
The contract will stipulate twin eng press turbines with 'freight' loading capabilities, not a lot to choose from!
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Up for grabs in 2011. The 2007 contract was extended 4 yrs.
New airframes (hopefully) B200GT, B350 or remotely the P188, (all Pro-Lines 21)the latter airframe most unlikely. At least there won't be one type of airframe, the PC12's......ohhhh I shudder to think
The contract will stipulate twin eng press turbines with 'freight' loading capabilities, not a lot to choose from!
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Capt wally, just out off intrest, whats your opinion off PC-12 vs B200 on airmed?
A good mate off mine fly's B200 on airmed and dasn't like the tought off flying a PC-12 at night being a single. In case off engine fire etc.
I have spoken to a PC-12 driver who's opinion was not to worry since it got such a good gliding range etc.
whats your toughts on this?
Cheers
A good mate off mine fly's B200 on airmed and dasn't like the tought off flying a PC-12 at night being a single. In case off engine fire etc.
I have spoken to a PC-12 driver who's opinion was not to worry since it got such a good gliding range etc.
whats your toughts on this?
Cheers
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A modern clean design with one engine about sums up the PC-12, a poor man's Kingair or a rich man's Cessna182.
I heard that you were going down to Tassie for a stint Capt Wally, what have you been naughty or going for a change of scenery?
I heard that you were going down to Tassie for a stint Capt Wally, what have you been naughty or going for a change of scenery?
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I thought this might diverge to a SE V Twin
'CJ & Dude' unless they invent a plane that has no wings or engines then ALL A/C are designed from the 'old sheet'.Look the PC12 kills the Beech in all aspects bar one, & it ain't rocket science to figure out which one it is either By all accounts a great plane (PC12). They would kill the likes of the PA31 (Eg. only) etc hands down (in most areas) but how many do you see doing IFR chtr & or RPT here in OZ?
Pollies generally won't fly in a SE in fact they don't fly SP either (could be wrong there though but not when I was driving them around the country) so I imagine safety is everything even to a polly
I know for a fact that the current contract for the AAV (Air Ambo Vic) does not allow for SE planes of any discription & for good reason. The service wants to provide an all wx retrieval service state wide with as much safety as possible built in, that last requirement can't be achieved with a SE airframe. We fly into some strips surrounded by high mountains (YHOT for Eg.) in some fairly ordinary wx, doing so in a single simply isn't safe enough, well isn't as far as the service goes & that's good enough for me
I know all other RFDS sections use the PC12, but not here in the SE section, I didn't create the contract requirements, I just happen to agree with them But just for the record the paramedics union wouldn't allow their members to fly in a SE plane I believe, I wonder why?.
'S8'..been too "2 headed land", went to help out my cousins, nice place, busy though, I'd rather the 'holiday camp' here at EN, they gotta work for a livin' down there, yuk!!
So it's twins all the way with the next contract, most likely the good 'ole B200, blunt as a garage door but reliable
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'CJ & Dude' unless they invent a plane that has no wings or engines then ALL A/C are designed from the 'old sheet'
.Look the PC12 kills the Beech in all aspects bar one, & it ain't rocket science to figure out which one it is either By all accounts a great plane (PC12). They would kill the likes of the PA31 (Eg. only) etc hands down (in most areas) but how many do you see doing IFR chtr & or RPT here in OZ? Pollies generally won't fly in a SE in fact they don't fly SP either (could be wrong there though but not when I was driving them around the country) so I imagine safety is everything even to a polly
I know for a fact that the current contract for the AAV (Air Ambo Vic) does not allow for SE planes of any discription & for good reason. The service wants to provide an all wx retrieval service state wide with as much safety as possible built in, that last requirement can't be achieved with a SE airframe. We fly into some strips surrounded by high mountains (YHOT for Eg.) in some fairly ordinary wx, doing so in a single simply isn't safe enough, well isn't as far as the service goes & that's good enough for me
I know all other RFDS sections use the PC12, but not here in the SE section, I didn't create the contract requirements, I just happen to agree with them
But just for the record the paramedics union wouldn't allow their members to fly in a SE plane I believe, I wonder why?.'S8'..been too "2 headed land", went to help out my cousins, nice place, busy though, I'd rather the 'holiday camp' here at EN, they gotta work for a livin' down there, yuk!!
So it's twins all the way with the next contract, most likely the good 'ole B200, blunt as a garage door but reliable
CW
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WTF is a B200GT, a Kingair with 12 slotter's, rear spoiler, bonnet scoop and different paint?
Hope the new contract specifies that the aircraft be painted in some outlandish paint scheme, wouldn't want to drop the standard!
Obvious gadude and Citation like the idea of flying over Bass Strait or the high terrain to the NE of Melbourne in single-engine aircraft.
Didn't run into Fred Valentich down in Tassie, Capt Wally?
Can you still hear the Airlines of Tasmania Herons on cold clear night doing there runups and taxiing for the paper run to Hobart?
Hope the new contract specifies that the aircraft be painted in some outlandish paint scheme, wouldn't want to drop the standard!
Obvious gadude and Citation like the idea of flying over Bass Strait or the high terrain to the NE of Melbourne in single-engine aircraft.
Didn't run into Fred Valentich down in Tassie, Capt Wally?
Can you still hear the Airlines of Tasmania Herons on cold clear night doing there runups and taxiing for the paper run to Hobart?
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'S8' you mate have gotta get a life
12 slotters?...hahahah I had a chuckle there, yr showing yr age buddy
B200GT is just a B200 airframe with hotted up donks, you know extractors twin carbies etc 850 geee geees a side I think with the ability to hold that HP to higher Alt's than the basic B200.
As for the paint scheme? Well anything other than the crap KFC scheme we have now, talk about double yuk!
Didn't see 'FV' whilst down sth nor heard any Herons but am sure the ghosts of both are still flying !
Edited for 'GADUDE"......There's no dispo to operate a PC 12 with any of the other sections of the RFDS. It comes down to cost, that's the single biggest reason as to why some sections (all actually bar the SE section) use the PC12 (& B200 where applicable).
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12 slotters?...hahahah I had a chuckle there, yr showing yr age buddy
B200GT is just a B200 airframe with hotted up donks, you know extractors twin carbies etc
850 geee geees a side I think with the ability to hold that HP to higher Alt's than the basic B200.As for the paint scheme? Well anything other than the crap KFC scheme we have now, talk about double yuk!
Didn't see 'FV' whilst down sth nor heard any Herons but am sure the ghosts of both are still flying !
Edited for 'GADUDE"......There's no dispo to operate a PC 12 with any of the other sections of the RFDS. It comes down to cost, that's the single biggest reason as to why some sections (all actually bar the SE section) use the PC12 (& B200 where applicable).
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""Obvious gadude and Citation like the idea of flying over Bass Strait or the high terrain to the NE of Melbourne in single-engine aircraft.""
Re read my post. I didnt say or suggested anything about liking to fly in a single over water and i don't know what the terain around melbourne looks like but i don't think it would be any more tiger country than the stuff i have flown in and over in NZ and that was in singles.
I just asked a question regarding capt wally's opinion regarding both planes.
Thanks capt wally for your explanation. Pretty much the same as my mate up north. He just don't like the idea off flying aroung in wx in the dark in a single.
Now I know that in just normal charter you cannot fly pax in a single in the dark or IFR, or both. Does the RFDS have dispensation because the PC-12 is turbine? Is there other implacations from single vs twin airmed flying?
I am not here to argue either or, just out off intrest
Cheers
""Obvious gadude and Citation like the idea of flying over Bass Strait or the high terrain to the NE of Melbourne in single-engine aircraft.""
Re read my post. I didnt say or suggested anything about liking to fly in a single over water and i don't know what the terain around melbourne looks like but i don't think it would be any more tiger country than the stuff i have flown in and over in NZ and that was in singles.
I just asked a question regarding capt wally's opinion regarding both planes.
Thanks capt wally for your explanation. Pretty much the same as my mate up north. He just don't like the idea off flying aroung in wx in the dark in a single.
Now I know that in just normal charter you cannot fly pax in a single in the dark or IFR, or both. Does the RFDS have dispensation because the PC-12 is turbine? Is there other implacations from single vs twin airmed flying?
I am not here to argue either or, just out off intrest
Cheers
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The other catch with a PC-12 is that you can't fly direct across Bass Strait on commercial operations ( which is what the RFDS are doing by being contractors to Victorian Ambulance Service) because of gliding distance in case of an engine failure and therefore have to plan via King or Flinders Island.
The RFDS in SA if they do a job to Tasmania, plan to cross northern Bass Strait via Cape Otway to Cape Wickham and then plan King Island to Smithton.
Capt Wally, I thought the B200GT might have been a race special like the old GT HO Phase3 or two door Falcoon's. But I suppose you would have a been Sandman Panel van lad!!!!!
The RFDS in SA if they do a job to Tasmania, plan to cross northern Bass Strait via Cape Otway to Cape Wickham and then plan King Island to Smithton.
Capt Wally, I thought the B200GT might have been a race special like the old GT HO Phase3 or two door Falcoon's. But I suppose you would have a been Sandman Panel van lad!!!!!
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175A Restriction on I.F.R. flights by single engine aircraft
(1) The pilot in command of a single engine aircraft must not fly the
aircraft under the I.F.R. if the flight is not in one of the following
operations:
(a) private operations;
(b) aerial work operations;
(c) charter operations that do not involve the carrying of passengers
for hire or reward;
(d) charter or regular public transport operations that involve the
carrying of passengers for hire or reward, if:
(i) the operator is approved in writing by CASA to conduct the
operations; and
(ii) the operations are conducted in a turbine powered
aeroplane approved in writing by CASA for those
operations.
Penalty: 25 penalty units.
(1) The pilot in command of a single engine aircraft must not fly the
aircraft under the I.F.R. if the flight is not in one of the following
operations:
(a) private operations;
(b) aerial work operations;
(c) charter operations that do not involve the carrying of passengers
for hire or reward;
(d) charter or regular public transport operations that involve the
carrying of passengers for hire or reward, if:
(i) the operator is approved in writing by CASA to conduct the
operations; and
(ii) the operations are conducted in a turbine powered
aeroplane approved in writing by CASA for those
operations.
Penalty: 25 penalty units.
Yawn. The old PC12 knockers. 
I know which aircraft I preferred on a dark night heading into the deserts with tempos all around. And it only had one PT6.
There are other safety benefits that people conveniently overlook.
I know which aircraft I preferred on a dark night heading into the deserts with tempos all around. And it only had one PT6.
There are other safety benefits that people conveniently overlook.
Personally, I was happier in a C90, let alone a B200, than I ever could have been in a PC12 at night, and yes I did get to fly the PC12. Nice handling etc, great cabin, a lot better than the 90, and somewhat better than the 200, but in the tropics, unsealed strips (prop clearance) + 1 engine albeit a PT6. They should never be used for primary Aeromed, only as a backup. Clinic aircraft only.
Being able to do KG-Jamieson-Patjarr-KG with 60 holding at KG without having to do a blackhole approach into WBR (with no TAF) to refuel on the way out AND back.
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Aeromed in this context is Airwork, not Charter.
PC12 has more interior room in the aeromed config than the B200, plus that extra door, BUT.....PT6 is a great engine, but it does break. If it does, it would be nice to have another to extend your options from one - a landing within the glide area.
B200GT is in most respects identical to the current B200, except for the Proline 21 G2+, and the PT6-52 (which is a -42 gearbox mated to the B350s hot section, flat rated to 850 and will hold that to F270 while TASing 300-odd) Yeah, Baby!!
PC12 has more interior room in the aeromed config than the B200, plus that extra door, BUT.....PT6 is a great engine, but it does break. If it does, it would be nice to have another to extend your options from one - a landing within the glide area.
B200GT is in most respects identical to the current B200, except for the Proline 21 G2+, and the PT6-52 (which is a -42 gearbox mated to the B350s hot section, flat rated to 850 and will hold that to F270 while TASing 300-odd
) Yeah, Baby!!
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'Jamair' quite correct all round:-) All 850 horses to play with:-)
We also do chtr as well as the core business aeromed meaning we need the twin.
Would be great to have that extra door that the PC12 does but am happy to give that up & crawl past a sh1t load of med equip to get to my final resting place, & that's onboard in the drivers seat not into the side of some hill
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We also do chtr as well as the core business aeromed meaning we need the twin.
Would be great to have that extra door that the PC12 does but am happy to give that up & crawl past a sh1t load of med equip to get to my final resting place, & that's onboard in the drivers seat not into the side of some hill
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