eagle vs air national
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eagle vs air national
from what I know eagle and airnational are pretty similar.
B1900D vs J32
does anyone know any differences between the two? salaries, training, etc?
B1900D vs J32
does anyone know any differences between the two? salaries, training, etc?
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J32 Captain salary 50K
Cash in hand allowance for days away
About $30 a month for using your cellphone
After paying for your own J32 rating with them, $9000, this is paid back to you over 2yrs. (aka the bond).
Doing the ground course ($800) with them does not infer employment, and no employment contract until they are ready to take you on, if they do at all.
Last ground course was end of August '08, guys from that are still waiting to hear what is happening next.
Cash in hand allowance for days away
About $30 a month for using your cellphone
After paying for your own J32 rating with them, $9000, this is paid back to you over 2yrs. (aka the bond).
Doing the ground course ($800) with them does not infer employment, and no employment contract until they are ready to take you on, if they do at all.
Last ground course was end of August '08, guys from that are still waiting to hear what is happening next.
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So yeah, air national is the mountain air of the turboprops. Pay for stuff, dont get paid much and have a bond.(take from that what you want)
Eagle, you get more money, dont have to pay, superannuation, staff travel, quick command, proper training and yes you do have a bond but the industry has slowed such that it shouldnt be an isssue. Has that green tail and that swirly thing on it to...
It just depends whether you want to work for monkeys or not. Also depends where the vacancys are at the time.
Starting f/o at Eagle under the new contract is around 41 k plus the additional allowances.
Yeah I know it's 38 but when you add the 2 for driving to work and the uniform upkeep and the shoe allowance and the phone allowance, you get to over 40 but closer to 41 then add the meal breaks and overnights and callouts- if you get any. Normally a f/oin the first year wil make around 7k in additional allowances.
Make you own decisions. That is not including the mbf fund and loss of liscense if you sign up to it. Subsidised medical insurance and life insurance...
Sounds like a sweet deal for those newbes that have just left ctc- still not really as much as they are worth tho eh ??
Please dont come to Eagle if you are a knob as there are enough of them here at the moment.
Eagle, you get more money, dont have to pay, superannuation, staff travel, quick command, proper training and yes you do have a bond but the industry has slowed such that it shouldnt be an isssue. Has that green tail and that swirly thing on it to...
It just depends whether you want to work for monkeys or not. Also depends where the vacancys are at the time.
Starting f/o at Eagle under the new contract is around 41 k plus the additional allowances.
Yeah I know it's 38 but when you add the 2 for driving to work and the uniform upkeep and the shoe allowance and the phone allowance, you get to over 40 but closer to 41 then add the meal breaks and overnights and callouts- if you get any. Normally a f/oin the first year wil make around 7k in additional allowances.
Make you own decisions. That is not including the mbf fund and loss of liscense if you sign up to it. Subsidised medical insurance and life insurance...
Sounds like a sweet deal for those newbes that have just left ctc- still not really as much as they are worth tho eh ??
Please dont come to Eagle if you are a knob as there are enough of them here at the moment.
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ahha yeah I saw that ctc thread. pretty interesting. maybe he should go to mt cook with his 400 hrs 
anyway to me eagle sounds pretty damn good to be honest. whats their application/interview process like and their training?
anyway to me eagle sounds pretty damn good to be honest. whats their application/interview process like and their training?
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Where to start?
"So yeah, air national is the mountain air of the turboprops. Pay for stuff, dont get paid much and have a bond.(take from that what you want"
ahhheeem...I'll take this then
1. Air National doesn't have a bond (as you say it is repaid) and some of the guys don't end up paying for the rating at all.
2. I can only assume you havn't worked for the McKenzies or you would realise that no operator can compare to the absolute train wreck that is M.A.(FMS)
3. Sure you don't get paid as much as Eagle, but at least you don't have to live in the sticks with jack all chance of a command in a populated city.(Auck, Welly) (ie if you are from AKL and I know not everyone is, then forget about being back in the smoke for at least a couple of years)
4. "Pay for stuff", How bout the 3/4 day interview where you have to take time off work, pay for a stay in HN without any guarantee of a job offer?
"staff travel, quick command, proper training and yes you do have a bond but the industry has slowed such that it shouldnt be an isssue. Has that green tail and that swirly thing on it to..."
1. Staff travel, agreed there is none at National. If you get lucky you might get a jumpseat ride in the G-IV down to wellys to pick up a J32.
2. "Quick Command", Is nine months not quick enough? If the industry is slowing as much as you say it is, it will be a much quicker road to PIC in a J32 than on the 1900.
3. "Has that green tail and that swirly thing on it to..." It's a Koru, and if you got into flying just to be in something that has a Koru on the tail, then maybe you could have become a hostie? Cheaper and not to mention quicker. I know of one hostie earning more than a national F/O and a NSN F/O combined.
4. "Bond" Yes you do have a bond...3 years still? At least at National if you feel a need to go and earn some actual money, say in the Middle East, then there is nothing pinning you to the ground.
"It just depends whether you want to work for monkeys or not."
1. From this comment I'll have to assume that you've worked here in the past? Maybe you've had a bad experience with them? From my experience and people I know who have worked there, on the most part the people are great. Maybe you could shed some light on just who you think are the monkeys?
"Please dont come to Eagle if you are a knob as there are enough of them here at the moment"
1. Agreed and you seem to be one of them. Another Pilot with either a chip on his/her shoulder or taking shots off the hip and not thinking before typing.
I have nothing against Eagle, but I've never applied and never want to and it only takes a search on the forums to find out why.
Lastly, i have a small suspicion that the original post is another wind up with links to the CTC thread.
Just to add also:
Eagle doesn't have progression onto Westwind, Gulfstream IVSP or G200 Galaxy jets.
ahhheeem...I'll take this then
1. Air National doesn't have a bond (as you say it is repaid) and some of the guys don't end up paying for the rating at all.
2. I can only assume you havn't worked for the McKenzies or you would realise that no operator can compare to the absolute train wreck that is M.A.(FMS)
3. Sure you don't get paid as much as Eagle, but at least you don't have to live in the sticks with jack all chance of a command in a populated city.(Auck, Welly) (ie if you are from AKL and I know not everyone is, then forget about being back in the smoke for at least a couple of years)
4. "Pay for stuff", How bout the 3/4 day interview where you have to take time off work, pay for a stay in HN without any guarantee of a job offer?
"staff travel, quick command, proper training and yes you do have a bond but the industry has slowed such that it shouldnt be an isssue. Has that green tail and that swirly thing on it to..."
1. Staff travel, agreed there is none at National. If you get lucky you might get a jumpseat ride in the G-IV down to wellys to pick up a J32.
2. "Quick Command", Is nine months not quick enough? If the industry is slowing as much as you say it is, it will be a much quicker road to PIC in a J32 than on the 1900.
3. "Has that green tail and that swirly thing on it to..." It's a Koru, and if you got into flying just to be in something that has a Koru on the tail, then maybe you could have become a hostie? Cheaper and not to mention quicker. I know of one hostie earning more than a national F/O and a NSN F/O combined.
4. "Bond" Yes you do have a bond...3 years still? At least at National if you feel a need to go and earn some actual money, say in the Middle East, then there is nothing pinning you to the ground.
"It just depends whether you want to work for monkeys or not."
1. From this comment I'll have to assume that you've worked here in the past? Maybe you've had a bad experience with them? From my experience and people I know who have worked there, on the most part the people are great. Maybe you could shed some light on just who you think are the monkeys?
"Please dont come to Eagle if you are a knob as there are enough of them here at the moment"
1. Agreed and you seem to be one of them. Another Pilot with either a chip on his/her shoulder or taking shots off the hip and not thinking before typing.
I have nothing against Eagle, but I've never applied and never want to and it only takes a search on the forums to find out why.
Lastly, i have a small suspicion that the original post is another wind up with links to the CTC thread.
Just to add also:
Eagle doesn't have progression onto Westwind, Gulfstream IVSP or G200 Galaxy jets.
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i was talking to a Gemma from national and to be honest if I was to apply for either i think it would be national.
I was told there was an "intensive 6 day course" for air national. can anyone shed some light on what sort of stuff is in this? Im nt put off at all by the whole "do the course and maybe not get a job" beccause first off, you gotta be in to win and second you still come out much the wiser at the end of it.
one thing national does have over eagle is they dont just do the scheduled flights, from what i know (and forgive me if im wrong) but they also do alot of stuff for sports teams, movie people etc. plus they do have jets and things as well.
I was told there was an "intensive 6 day course" for air national. can anyone shed some light on what sort of stuff is in this? Im nt put off at all by the whole "do the course and maybe not get a job" beccause first off, you gotta be in to win and second you still come out much the wiser at the end of it.
one thing national does have over eagle is they dont just do the scheduled flights, from what i know (and forgive me if im wrong) but they also do alot of stuff for sports teams, movie people etc. plus they do have jets and things as well.
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The course she speaks about is the Ground course for the 32. It is intense as it use to be over 8 or so days but is now compacted into 5-6.
Yes you are right and wrong. They are not a "scheduled airline" they operate as a charter company with one of their clients being AIR NZ. This is common knowledge and they are often filling in for the 1900s when they are in for heavy maintenance. Being a charter outfit they are going to get a variety of customers requesting different services and so you will quite often see the jets at skycare performing charter or medivac work.
Again from what I hear, the variety is great and so are the people.
The decision is yours and good luck with it.
Yes you are right and wrong. They are not a "scheduled airline" they operate as a charter company with one of their clients being AIR NZ. This is common knowledge and they are often filling in for the 1900s when they are in for heavy maintenance. Being a charter outfit they are going to get a variety of customers requesting different services and so you will quite often see the jets at skycare performing charter or medivac work.
Again from what I hear, the variety is great and so are the people.
The decision is yours and good luck with it.
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Hershey,
Air National is what you make out of it. Eagle is what you make out of it.
There are no doubt pros and cons with both outfits. Some which have been very well highlighted by Pressed_on and by always_inverted. Though I think the Mountain Air comment was a bit OTT...
You can think 'outside the square' at Air National and solve some of the money pitfalls...
Sure you work hard at AN, sometimes the shifts aren't the best.. the callout can be at pretty short notice.. but if you want to go further than the Jetstream, you can at Air National..
Work hard, get noticed.. (and not by being a knob) and yes, if you want to have a shot at the G-IV, Westwind, G200, all you have to do is ask.
Things aren't perfect at Air National, things aren't perfect at Eagle either.
Air National is what you make out of it. Eagle is what you make out of it.
There are no doubt pros and cons with both outfits. Some which have been very well highlighted by Pressed_on and by always_inverted. Though I think the Mountain Air comment was a bit OTT...
You can think 'outside the square' at Air National and solve some of the money pitfalls...
Sure you work hard at AN, sometimes the shifts aren't the best.. the callout can be at pretty short notice.. but if you want to go further than the Jetstream, you can at Air National..
Work hard, get noticed.. (and not by being a knob) and yes, if you want to have a shot at the G-IV, Westwind, G200, all you have to do is ask.
Things aren't perfect at Air National, things aren't perfect at Eagle either.
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hmm.. brill. hey cheers for that. very good points. I think theres alot of people in eagle (and prob most companies) that are more interested in their next step and building hours to get onto something big then what their actually doing at the minute and that attitude is something ive seen alot of. but I think that any chance to fly such a fantastic machine (either the 1900 or the J32) in such a thrilling and challenging enviroment and (hopefully) learn alot from experienced captains would be something def worth working hard towards. so cheers all for the input. 
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I hear what you are saying about the attitude of some at Eagle, kind of like they were owed the job and the company is lucky to have them, for those of you reading this, it stands out like dogs nuts !!
From my experience the people at Eagle who want to build hrs and move on are those that have just started and dont really knw what the job can give you in respect to lifestyle and the odd one who hates it for some stupid reason.
I personaly enjoy the job and dont mind if I stay for another 5 years or so, the crews are pretty good mostly, the flying can be challenging as probably is Air Nat.
You would be supprised to see the number of 5 year + captains at Eagle, mostly there cause the lifestyle is pretty good. As with any job, it is what you make of it.
One thing I have recently learnt is that at airwork if they are running ground courses on the metro, they dont have much work for it. Good way of keeping them flying, they might take 1 if you lucky from the 10 or so that come through. I would imagine that air nat may be similar in that the unlucky ones on the course that dont get a job have possibly subsidised the successful ones training.
Food for thought with any job...Just in case you had not of thought of it like that.
From my experience the people at Eagle who want to build hrs and move on are those that have just started and dont really knw what the job can give you in respect to lifestyle and the odd one who hates it for some stupid reason.
I personaly enjoy the job and dont mind if I stay for another 5 years or so, the crews are pretty good mostly, the flying can be challenging as probably is Air Nat.
You would be supprised to see the number of 5 year + captains at Eagle, mostly there cause the lifestyle is pretty good. As with any job, it is what you make of it.
One thing I have recently learnt is that at airwork if they are running ground courses on the metro, they dont have much work for it. Good way of keeping them flying, they might take 1 if you lucky from the 10 or so that come through. I would imagine that air nat may be similar in that the unlucky ones on the course that dont get a job have possibly subsidised the successful ones training.
Food for thought with any job...Just in case you had not of thought of it like that.
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But without the benifits... Eagle are taking a few more as they have given us another weeks leave, oh wait, that should have been increased in April...
Current crews cant fill a roster and people are being rostered to fly while on leave- not sure how that would work tho. Dont think I'd turn up.
Depends if you want to pay for accomodation for 3-4 days to get in and have a expenses paid business class trip to Canada for 2 weeks to go see the falls and get hammered. And get well paid while you are there.
Current crews cant fill a roster and people are being rostered to fly while on leave- not sure how that would work tho. Dont think I'd turn up.
Depends if you want to pay for accomodation for 3-4 days to get in and have a expenses paid business class trip to Canada for 2 weeks to go see the falls and get hammered. And get well paid while you are there.
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Air National doesn't have a bond (as you say it is repaid) and some of the guys don't end up paying for the rating at all.
I don't think anyone gets picked, but I've heard of it happening. Either management forgets to get them to pay, or something else...? Goodwill, not sure.
I don't think anyone gets picked, but I've heard of it happening. Either management forgets to get them to pay, or something else...? Goodwill, not sure.
and correct so after you have all your money paid back to you, then it wasn't a bond after all.
Eagle doesn't have progression onto Westwind, Gulfstream IVSP or G200 Galaxy jets.
I've done some talking with mates too, and found out a pilot got a J32 job offer, accepted it, only to have it later retracted a few weeks later prior to the course which still went ahead.
I think Eagle might have more of a backbone once its at that point.
