Merged: V-australia Interviews, T's & C's etc?
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Obie, did you stew on that for over an hour...?????
I hear $$$ for a B773 cmmd at V are atrocious, similar to what B773 FO's are getting elswhere and little or no package/conditions ....is this correct?
I hear $$$ for a B773 cmmd at V are atrocious, similar to what B773 FO's are getting elswhere and little or no package/conditions ....is this correct?
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Wow someone is very bitter!!!
WangFunk are you one of the guys that didn't get in??, hope you have a good job mate cause i dont think anyone would give you a job with that attitude!!!!!!!
WangFunk are you one of the guys that didn't get in??, hope you have a good job mate cause i dont think anyone would give you a job with that attitude!!!!!!!
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'HIALS' it's not about flying anymore these days I reckon, heavens knows you can teach a monkey to fly a modern day jet it's more about where you want to reside/work & under what T&C's, flying the plane is the eay bit i'd say!
You will get all sorts of reactions here within PPRUNE about yr question, you posted a question that you obvioulsy believed vaild but only you know what you want at the end of the day.
I believe that VB are nothing special but they might very well suit you as an individual, base yr decisons on that fact.
The beauty about aviation is that it's like the WX, ya never know what to expect the very next day! Unless you live in QLD then that's too damn boring for me
Choose wisely yr future, PPRUNE probably shouldn't be part of that chose
CW
You will get all sorts of reactions here within PPRUNE about yr question, you posted a question that you obvioulsy believed vaild but only you know what you want at the end of the day.
I believe that VB are nothing special but they might very well suit you as an individual, base yr decisons on that fact.
The beauty about aviation is that it's like the WX, ya never know what to expect the very next day! Unless you live in QLD then that's too damn boring for me
Choose wisely yr future, PPRUNE probably shouldn't be part of that chose
CW
Guys,
I wouldn't dismiss WankFunk's comments out of hand. Try and see through the VA hype. You just might be doing yourselves a favour.
As for the deal? Have a look at what the Dubai based LCC startup is paying for a spot on a 738. I know the arguements, its not home and all that, but along with the worldwide expansion over the next 2-5 years, VA do need to do better. A lot better!
I wouldn't dismiss WankFunk's comments out of hand. Try and see through the VA hype. You just might be doing yourselves a favour.
As for the deal? Have a look at what the Dubai based LCC startup is paying for a spot on a 738. I know the arguements, its not home and all that, but along with the worldwide expansion over the next 2-5 years, VA do need to do better. A lot better!
WangFunk, I hear you talking....... I think.
How about elaborating on the above, for us fence-sitters? Are you saying the same old sh!t is setting in already??
and a management team that havent even started the airline but yet ..have already started to bag pilots to cabin crew and the rest!
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I will probably get shot for asking this but here goes,
I have an interview so if anyone has any info specific to the interview they are willing to share can you please pm me when you get a chance?
Cheers
I have an interview so if anyone has any info specific to the interview they are willing to share can you please pm me when you get a chance?
Cheers
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Apples & Oranges or Apples and Apples?
I seem to recall when DJ started up so many guys saying the exact same thing as people are today about VA. "Paying for an endorsement is bull$hit! And the money is discraceful, lowest paid 737 drivers in the world [rightly or wrongly], What a bunch of sell-outs, guys taking that money and paying for the training will ruin this industry..........!!" What still gives me a chuckle is those same guys are either with DJ or JQ now. That is, they gave in and "turned" to use some expressions used by them.
No, I don't work for VA but was offered after being interviewed. No I don't work for DJ or JQ. Personal choice. A few more years elsewhere and then maybe, if possible for VA or take a basing back in Oz.
And, I've posted before, with no answers: CX pay DEFO's in Oz on A330 = $97k (initially) a year. VA paying DEFO's $117k a year, $134k inc of super.
I don't hear the same knives and daggers out for the CX DEFO's and the like? Searched on Fragent Harbour, but nothing immeditely found.
Just curious as to why CX are [still] so openly regarded as one of the best to work for and yet things appear worse for the same drivers.
No, I don't work for VA but was offered after being interviewed. No I don't work for DJ or JQ. Personal choice. A few more years elsewhere and then maybe, if possible for VA or take a basing back in Oz.
And, I've posted before, with no answers: CX pay DEFO's in Oz on A330 = $97k (initially) a year. VA paying DEFO's $117k a year, $134k inc of super.
I don't hear the same knives and daggers out for the CX DEFO's and the like? Searched on Fragent Harbour, but nothing immeditely found.
Just curious as to why CX are [still] so openly regarded as one of the best to work for and yet things appear worse for the same drivers.
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Keeping in mind the $'s for CX DEFO in Aus (Surprising to me, but there you go), I heard other interesting figures a few days ago too...
Can anyone confirm that JQ A330 drivers are on 166 Capt and 91/99/108 for Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3 FO respectively. I know the A330 is a smaller rig than he 777, butI was surprised that it was so low... (On a side note, I bet Joyce can not wait to get his hands on the qf lh conditions... Interesting next 5 years for qf in light of the fact that their own guys (jq) are happily? working for SO much less...)
Times are a changing huh...
Can anyone confirm that JQ A330 drivers are on 166 Capt and 91/99/108 for Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3 FO respectively. I know the A330 is a smaller rig than he 777, butI was surprised that it was so low... (On a side note, I bet Joyce can not wait to get his hands on the qf lh conditions... Interesting next 5 years for qf in light of the fact that their own guys (jq) are happily? working for SO much less...)
Times are a changing huh...
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Plus you get to strut your way through LAX wearing funky brown pants.
"You can tell by the way I walk, Im a womans man, no time to talk"
"You can tell by the way I walk, Im a womans man, no time to talk"
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Captain Dart: touche! Got me there.
WangFunk, I LOVE my job! Driving a 777-300ER/200LR all over the world. I went in eyes wide open, don't compare my path to others, or my job, or take a deposition against those who take a seperate path to mine. Yeah many moons ago when I was building up the hours the thought that a high school drop out druggie working as a labourer earnt more than me raised an eye brow. But guess what? I didn't want to be a labourer.
I wasn't about in airlines in '89 and therefore haven't the right to carry on the hate. Wasn't there and can't comment on what I would have done. I know what I would "like" to have done, but again never walked a mile in those shoes. Lucky. I can sympathise but refuse to perpetuate the hate.
Sad but true I a get smile still walking down that airbridge.
Don't hang the VA guys for their choice. I do not agree wth the CRFO role or money and think they are contributing to the down turn in T&C's, but my opinion only on the CRFO postion. They have their reasons. Not going to chest beat my beliefs.
Question: Do you work for DJ or JQ or Tiger? Did you pay for your endorsement? Not so many years ago people were writing posts like you have about VA about DJ when they started up, and the pilots taking the job for the T's & C's on offer, let alone paying for an endorsement! What low life bastards they were regarded as at the time! How things change!
The CX DEFO pay does go up to $117 k after 3 or 4 years for an Aussie base. No expat allowances (obviously), no health insurance. I think you'd be amazed at the similarities between SFO VA, CX DEFO in Oz and other such carriers if you could just see the forest. You've made some very untrue statements about the VA conditions, but I'm not going to pick apart each one.
I did the VA interview and was offered the job but opted not to. I know the full T's & C's on offer, as I do about CX, KA, EK, etc and other airlines. Lucky to have been around them and there a bit.
Like I said, not going to argue with you buddy and probably shouldn't have replied. Will go and enjoy my layover in this beautiful city.
Just lose the anger mate.
Back to the topic of this thread: PM me for info on the interview process and some hints that may help out.
WangFunk, I LOVE my job! Driving a 777-300ER/200LR all over the world. I went in eyes wide open, don't compare my path to others, or my job, or take a deposition against those who take a seperate path to mine. Yeah many moons ago when I was building up the hours the thought that a high school drop out druggie working as a labourer earnt more than me raised an eye brow. But guess what? I didn't want to be a labourer.
I wasn't about in airlines in '89 and therefore haven't the right to carry on the hate. Wasn't there and can't comment on what I would have done. I know what I would "like" to have done, but again never walked a mile in those shoes. Lucky. I can sympathise but refuse to perpetuate the hate.
Sad but true I a get smile still walking down that airbridge.
Don't hang the VA guys for their choice. I do not agree wth the CRFO role or money and think they are contributing to the down turn in T&C's, but my opinion only on the CRFO postion. They have their reasons. Not going to chest beat my beliefs.
Question: Do you work for DJ or JQ or Tiger? Did you pay for your endorsement? Not so many years ago people were writing posts like you have about VA about DJ when they started up, and the pilots taking the job for the T's & C's on offer, let alone paying for an endorsement! What low life bastards they were regarded as at the time! How things change!
The CX DEFO pay does go up to $117 k after 3 or 4 years for an Aussie base. No expat allowances (obviously), no health insurance. I think you'd be amazed at the similarities between SFO VA, CX DEFO in Oz and other such carriers if you could just see the forest. You've made some very untrue statements about the VA conditions, but I'm not going to pick apart each one.
I did the VA interview and was offered the job but opted not to. I know the full T's & C's on offer, as I do about CX, KA, EK, etc and other airlines. Lucky to have been around them and there a bit.
Like I said, not going to argue with you buddy and probably shouldn't have replied. Will go and enjoy my layover in this beautiful city.
Just lose the anger mate.
Back to the topic of this thread: PM me for info on the interview process and some hints that may help out.
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Let's all have a big hug!!!
Top Tup.
Could you please inform the forum as to why, after going through all the hoops, and I would imagine some measure of personal expense, why didn't you accept the offer?
Top Tup.
Could you please inform the forum as to why, after going through all the hoops, and I would imagine some measure of personal expense, why didn't you accept the offer?
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I saw VA as a chance to get back to Oz and fly, in my opinion, the most beautiful aeroplane in the sky. I had "heard" about the T's & C's but the only one real way to find out for myself and be in an educated position was to ask directly. So I liaised with VA to be interviewed when I was able to either be in BN or a city that they would be. They were most helpful and accommodating.
Personal expense? Not really when using staff tickets. I was coming home anyway for a visit so was able to combine the two.
Hoops to jump through? Not that difficult to be honest. A very fair (a bit of pscho-babble involved) interview process. Think DJ meets CX.
After reviewing it all and having the facts I opted not to join. MUCH better money and career prospects with my present employer: Aussie tax, car (+ associated costs), house & utility costs (paid for by present employer), insurance costs (car, house and personal) etc, etc.... Plus, a few senior Capts are moving on to VA from my present employer thus improving my seniority. In short a few more years where I am leaves me in much better financial and professional stead to come back to Oz.
So each person has to make their own mind up relative to their own situation. For me it will be a trade off of reduced salary for lifestyle.
VA were again very understanding and will happilly review my application should I seek to reapply. But then again, maybe an Oz basing with another carrier will be better. Maybe apply for domestic? Enjoy long haul too much at present. Don't know, but I can assure I will go in eyes wide open before making a decision and not listen to bitter, twisted, ill informed and gossipping school kids.
As an expat I have to assess what cost on lifestyle, that's what it came down to.
Hope that explains my individual experience with VA. Remember, an interview in a two way street. You must see if they will meet your career needs and you will be happy working with them, as much as they are interviewing you.
Personal expense? Not really when using staff tickets. I was coming home anyway for a visit so was able to combine the two.
Hoops to jump through? Not that difficult to be honest. A very fair (a bit of pscho-babble involved) interview process. Think DJ meets CX.
After reviewing it all and having the facts I opted not to join. MUCH better money and career prospects with my present employer: Aussie tax, car (+ associated costs), house & utility costs (paid for by present employer), insurance costs (car, house and personal) etc, etc.... Plus, a few senior Capts are moving on to VA from my present employer thus improving my seniority. In short a few more years where I am leaves me in much better financial and professional stead to come back to Oz.
So each person has to make their own mind up relative to their own situation. For me it will be a trade off of reduced salary for lifestyle.
VA were again very understanding and will happilly review my application should I seek to reapply. But then again, maybe an Oz basing with another carrier will be better. Maybe apply for domestic? Enjoy long haul too much at present. Don't know, but I can assure I will go in eyes wide open before making a decision and not listen to bitter, twisted, ill informed and gossipping school kids.
As an expat I have to assess what cost on lifestyle, that's what it came down to.
Hope that explains my individual experience with VA. Remember, an interview in a two way street. You must see if they will meet your career needs and you will be happy working with them, as much as they are interviewing you.