Rex pilot shortage under control ?
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"Nothing can be done to stem the flow of Rex pilots to the Major Airlines. So why the hell would Rex pay more.
C-Change I would rather take the low money and have a career than driving some busted ass truck full of crap with no future."
captaintunedog777, You're not related to the REX Chief pilot are you?
Unberf#ckin'lievable!
"Nothing can be done to stem the flow of Rex pilots to the Major Airlines. So why the hell would Rex pay more.
C-Change I would rather take the low money and have a career than driving some busted ass truck full of crap with no future."
captaintunedog777, You're not related to the REX Chief pilot are you?
Unberf#ckin'lievable!
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Not related.
But you tell me. Why would Rex want to pay more? Believe me I'm all for it. I was once in a regional and couldn't wait to get the bloody hell out.
Doing your own boarding, fueling, briefing and leading the bloody pax to the a/c. Bugger that. Rex is just another rung up the ladder. No offence .
But you tell me. Why would Rex want to pay more? Believe me I'm all for it. I was once in a regional and couldn't wait to get the bloody hell out.
Doing your own boarding, fueling, briefing and leading the bloody pax to the a/c. Bugger that. Rex is just another rung up the ladder. No offence .
The problem for REX is that it now cannot afford to be "just another rung up the ladder". Come next year, REX will litterally be fighting for it's survival. The fact that REX management haven't understood the nature of the pilot shortage will go down as a complete corporate failure. The cause of which was there for all to see, but the obvious solutions were nonetheless ignored.
Don't get me wrong, your points about the role(s) of the regional pilot are noted. However to simply let irreplaceble pilots walk out the door without so much as trying to hang on to them is IMHO nothing short of gross negligence.
If I'm wrong and REX can continue to recruit sufficient numbers of pilots with the required experience, then I will happily admit to such. If I'm right, and the supply cupboard is truely bare, then REX is screwed!
Don't get me wrong, your points about the role(s) of the regional pilot are noted. However to simply let irreplaceble pilots walk out the door without so much as trying to hang on to them is IMHO nothing short of gross negligence.
If I'm wrong and REX can continue to recruit sufficient numbers of pilots with the required experience, then I will happily admit to such. If I'm right, and the supply cupboard is truely bare, then REX is screwed!
Considering it is now around $50 per barrel cheaper than 2 months ago!
The price of oil was just an excuse for poor planning, equipment delays, and training backlogs.
Let the games begin.
The price of oil was just an excuse for poor planning, equipment delays, and training backlogs.
Let the games begin.
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Why are they still here.
Krusty,
I have a question which up until a few months ago I might have been able to answer myself. How is REX currently surviving?
From what I read here and have been following for almost a year now, given the conditions, pay, hours etc all the stuff we aleady know about, there STILL seems to be ready supply of young, eager newbies who are willing to accept it.
They may see this a rung to the next thing, but the company now has them locked for X years and STILL there is a steady supply of resource.
Surley while this river runs, mgt have no reason to alter conditions, pay etc as they simply keep getting the applications in the door. So I guess my question also is, given the way they operate and what they offer, why are they still in business and why do they have no shortage applicants for the cadet scheme? Surley if no-one applied and the existing guys got out, there would simply be no REX?
I was one of those applicants, up until a few months ago. I couldnt justify it financially.
BP.
I have a question which up until a few months ago I might have been able to answer myself. How is REX currently surviving?
From what I read here and have been following for almost a year now, given the conditions, pay, hours etc all the stuff we aleady know about, there STILL seems to be ready supply of young, eager newbies who are willing to accept it.
They may see this a rung to the next thing, but the company now has them locked for X years and STILL there is a steady supply of resource.
Surley while this river runs, mgt have no reason to alter conditions, pay etc as they simply keep getting the applications in the door. So I guess my question also is, given the way they operate and what they offer, why are they still in business and why do they have no shortage applicants for the cadet scheme? Surley if no-one applied and the existing guys got out, there would simply be no REX?
I was one of those applicants, up until a few months ago. I couldnt justify it financially.
BP.
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I was really really keen too... but with 2 kiddies on the ground I couldn't do it.
I would need to be a Captain in Rex for 10 years to come close to what I am making in GA now - and based on Krusty's narrative of the Hazo/Rex wage freezes, in 10 years that's still about all I would be making.
On another topic - I was in Orange today and had a cup of coffee with my cousin, a public service management type.
She told me that Rex has a really bad reputation in ORG now due to a long series of last-minute cancellations and the local business people need to charter an aircraft to be certain of getting to SYD for their commitments.
Sad that they're treating their clients with the same contempt as their staff
I would need to be a Captain in Rex for 10 years to come close to what I am making in GA now - and based on Krusty's narrative of the Hazo/Rex wage freezes, in 10 years that's still about all I would be making.
On another topic - I was in Orange today and had a cup of coffee with my cousin, a public service management type.
She told me that Rex has a really bad reputation in ORG now due to a long series of last-minute cancellations and the local business people need to charter an aircraft to be certain of getting to SYD for their commitments.
Sad that they're treating their clients with the same contempt as their staff
Your absolutely correct boardpig. There appears to be a ready supply of young and inexperienced people willing to apply to either the cadetship, or as general entry, even though the conditions are what many believe substandard for this day and age.
I may cop some flack here, (nothing new I suppose) but the attraction for these people is they don't have to serve the apprentiship that most of us old hands had to. I wonder just how many would still pursue the profession if this type of scheme was not available. Money certainly isn't the problem (unless of course Mum and Dad have been niave enough to mortgage the house for them). $42K per year probably seems reasonable when living at home and after working at Macdonalds. The problem for them, and REX for that matter is that this lack of real world experience comes at a price. REX will have us believe that "experience is overated", that cadetships are the way of the future. Time will tell on that front. But even though there is a seemingly inexhaustable supply of these young wannabes lining up, the essential problem is that none of them will be either qualified and/or ready for command for years to come!
Commands at REX are still running at approx 7 months. The Check and Training system is under enormous pressure just to keep Line pilots current. Upgrade times are falling behind, the available candidates with the min experience for command are now becoming critical, and endorsement training becoming more protracted, and on it goes
If the company could, I'm sure they would be happy to have their aircraft fully crewed by 200 hour First Officers. As this is not possible, then the real crunch will probably come during the middle of next year when a large number of experienced captains finally give up and move on. Not being able to replace these people will sadly see a dramatic increase in the reduction of services.
Watch this space.
I may cop some flack here, (nothing new I suppose) but the attraction for these people is they don't have to serve the apprentiship that most of us old hands had to. I wonder just how many would still pursue the profession if this type of scheme was not available. Money certainly isn't the problem (unless of course Mum and Dad have been niave enough to mortgage the house for them). $42K per year probably seems reasonable when living at home and after working at Macdonalds. The problem for them, and REX for that matter is that this lack of real world experience comes at a price. REX will have us believe that "experience is overated", that cadetships are the way of the future. Time will tell on that front. But even though there is a seemingly inexhaustable supply of these young wannabes lining up, the essential problem is that none of them will be either qualified and/or ready for command for years to come!
Commands at REX are still running at approx 7 months. The Check and Training system is under enormous pressure just to keep Line pilots current. Upgrade times are falling behind, the available candidates with the min experience for command are now becoming critical, and endorsement training becoming more protracted, and on it goes
If the company could, I'm sure they would be happy to have their aircraft fully crewed by 200 hour First Officers. As this is not possible, then the real crunch will probably come during the middle of next year when a large number of experienced captains finally give up and move on. Not being able to replace these people will sadly see a dramatic increase in the reduction of services.
Watch this space.
Krusty,
What is the failure rate of the guys on the intitial type course. I heared its been around 50%, and thats with 3k hr ex charter guys.
I have way over the min hr for direct enty(almost 3k) but am seriously put off in even applying.
What is the failure rate of the guys on the intitial type course. I heared its been around 50%, and thats with 3k hr ex charter guys.
I have way over the min hr for direct enty(almost 3k) but am seriously put off in even applying.
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After reading all the past posts in this thread I’m starting to wonder if accepting an interview next month was a good idea.... Even still "nothing ventured nothing gained".
If anyone is able to PM me some details of the interview or other useful information I would be most appreciative.
If anyone is able to PM me some details of the interview or other useful information I would be most appreciative.
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I don't think the failure rate of the initial type course is as high as 50% but its not an easy course. If you are prepared to put the work in then you'll get through. Regardless of how many hours you have, if you have a bad day in the sim or on a check flight then you're not likely to get through it. But few and far between I'd say. There are the one or two per course that struggle and get left behind but its not 50%. Its not a case of fail and your out on your ear either (if you show that you are prepared to work hard).
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busted ass truck
captaintunedog777
The busted ass truck that you refer to, is that the same one that brings your Jet A1, your food, new car from the dock etc, etc, etc ?
Make sure you include EGO on your checklist.
I would rather take the low money and have a career than driving some busted ass truck full of crap with no future.
Make sure you include EGO on your checklist.
Pilot shortage over, yeah right 6 sectors at least last long weekend cancelled in Adelaide. Crews all over the network getting called in on Rdo's all the time, annual leave interrupted all the time, people being shipped to SYD from MELB & AD daily to cover flights that aren't crewed. Statements from management like this are sickening. Wake up people in the BULLS
T CASTLE, before you ruin a good thing beyond repair. May already be to late tho!
T CASTLE, before you ruin a good thing beyond repair. May already be to late tho!
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Heard on the grape vine the other day that crews are starting to say no to working on their RDO's and annual leave days more and more regularly.
Why..?
I guess because they're just getting tired of it all..
yaddayadda
Why..?
I guess because they're just getting tired of it all..
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Yes some people are saying no to working on RDO's, extending duites, etc... but there are still FAR TOO MANY pilots saying YES! And there lies the problem..
Wake up fellow pilots!!! They are taking us for a ride. STOP WORKING ON RDO's and EXTENDING DUTY, atleast untill they start showing us some respect, perhaps by reasonable working T&C's! What the hell is the REXPC doing about it??and the AFAP?
Wake up fellow pilots!!! They are taking us for a ride. STOP WORKING ON RDO's and EXTENDING DUTY, atleast untill they start showing us some respect, perhaps by reasonable working T&C's! What the hell is the REXPC doing about it??and the AFAP?
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check in staff, lounge staff, baggage handlers, receptionists,crewing, rostering,operations staff even FLIGHT ATTENDANTS get renumerated for extending.... about the ONLy group that doesn't is the PILOT GROUP!!!!
Wake up guys and girls....anyone extending for free is just harming your cause.
Wake up guys and girls....anyone extending for free is just harming your cause.
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I know that the ground staff are rostered on for overtime, as they'd prefer to pay them more than train someone else up. Seems to be the main problem, lack of staff here, there and everywhere..
After telling my oldies that I had my first job in grade 10, and that I'd be having a trail week before I started to get paid. My old man said something along the lines of, 'never work for free son, get something out of them'. So I for one, and am pretty confident many others dont accept extensions for moral reasons.
yaddayadda
After telling my oldies that I had my first job in grade 10, and that I'd be having a trail week before I started to get paid. My old man said something along the lines of, 'never work for free son, get something out of them'. So I for one, and am pretty confident many others dont accept extensions for moral reasons.
yaddayadda