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posted byskylarker,
it might take a while for the email to get to the land of the long white cloud but if you still want to make a bet about fuel costs hitting the company or 457 visa's go right ahead sunshine.
good one pal
And Fuel.... you serious
good one pal
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Japan
Japan has been losing money steadily for around 18 months.
Expect this to be one of the first international routes to go fom mainline.
Planning a holiday/business trip to Japan?
You will have the option of Jet* or transiting Singapore or KL.
Its still Australia's third biggest trading partner and QF will pull out after almost 45 years.
Expect this to be one of the first international routes to go fom mainline.
Planning a holiday/business trip to Japan?
You will have the option of Jet* or transiting Singapore or KL.
Its still Australia's third biggest trading partner and QF will pull out after almost 45 years.
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You think the fuel climate will result in crew cut backs? They have planned new schools for June. If this was the case, why would they be putting more crew through?
Sounds like the fuel costs, provide QF with a nice excuse for VR!!!
You think the fuel climate will result in crew cut backs? They have planned new schools for June. If this was the case, why would they be putting more crew through?
Sounds like the fuel costs, provide QF with a nice excuse for VR!!!
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I reckon Dixon must have read the post by skylarker telling us theres no probs with fuel.
qantart,we all know that GD would use the changing of the tide to come out with more doom and gloom but the cost of fuel is bad enough when you fill up the kombi but I reckon Dixon must be having a stroke looking at how much a 747 takes.
What else is going to be fun to watch is the new flying croisant and if they can't fill them up then watch out.
Wednesday May 28, 04:52 PM
Qantas cuts jobs, services due to fuel costs
Qantas says hundreds of jobs will go because of rising fuel prices.
The airline says fuel costs are likely to rise by more than $2 billion over the next year to about 35 per cent of the company's total expenditure.
Qantas chief Geoff Dixon says the exact number of jobs to go has not yet been decided.
"We'd hope to be in the low hundreds," he said.
"We certainly don't expect thousands or anything.
"We're going to try and mitigate it against against job losses by accelerated leave program and some other ideas we have."
Qantas says it is failing to bridge the widening cost gap, despite fuel surcharges, fare increases, a fuel hedging strategy and a recruitment freeze.
It will also make cuts to flight routes and ground aircraft due to to the spiralling fuel costs.
It has now decided to cut capacity on its routes by 5 per cent, the equivalent of grounding six aircraft.
It will retire, ground and cancel the delivery of aircraft to achieve that.
Qantas will abandon the Gold Coast to Sydney and Uluru (Ayers Rock) to Melbourne routes and Jetstar will exit a number of routes and reduce services on others.
Changes to international routes will be finalised within the week.
Ratings agency Standard and Poor's says it has affirmed the credit rating of Qantas, but has revised the outlook to negative.
It says the change reflects the pressure on the airline's cash flow due to high fuel prices and the likelihood costs will remain high for an extended period.
Qantas cuts jobs, services due to fuel costs
Qantas says hundreds of jobs will go because of rising fuel prices.
The airline says fuel costs are likely to rise by more than $2 billion over the next year to about 35 per cent of the company's total expenditure.
Qantas chief Geoff Dixon says the exact number of jobs to go has not yet been decided.
"We'd hope to be in the low hundreds," he said.
"We certainly don't expect thousands or anything.
"We're going to try and mitigate it against against job losses by accelerated leave program and some other ideas we have."
Qantas says it is failing to bridge the widening cost gap, despite fuel surcharges, fare increases, a fuel hedging strategy and a recruitment freeze.
It will also make cuts to flight routes and ground aircraft due to to the spiralling fuel costs.
It has now decided to cut capacity on its routes by 5 per cent, the equivalent of grounding six aircraft.
It will retire, ground and cancel the delivery of aircraft to achieve that.
Qantas will abandon the Gold Coast to Sydney and Uluru (Ayers Rock) to Melbourne routes and Jetstar will exit a number of routes and reduce services on others.
Changes to international routes will be finalised within the week.
Ratings agency Standard and Poor's says it has affirmed the credit rating of Qantas, but has revised the outlook to negative.
It says the change reflects the pressure on the airline's cash flow due to high fuel prices and the likelihood costs will remain high for an extended period.
What else is going to be fun to watch is the new flying croisant and if they can't fill them up then watch out.
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457's are a special visa granted for exceptional reason's ie: pilot shortage.
how about this for an exceptional reason pal.
The price of fuel!
457's are a special visa granted for exceptional reason's ie: pilot shortage.
how about this for an exceptional reason pal.
The price of fuel!
Of course fuel has a bearing on any transport company, I never said it didn't, but when RW says the J* visa issue is about the cost of fuel he is
dreaming. Thats what my reply was about and not about cutting services etc.
Now if it is about fuel, QF will put a halt to recruitment and cut services as announced today. Not hire more pilots.
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If you lot think the news just released is bad, wait till the bloodbath that is the international review is complete in the next week. If you think the domestics are suffering a hit, don't celebrate just yet. Our punch is still being loaded.
My mail is that 744's will go as the 380 arrives in a 1 for 1 replacement (ie. 6 by early next year). Potentially more 767's to cease international ops (ie. Japan, and a reduction in HNL). South America to be put on hold indefinately, and SFO and FRA under review, with SFO likely to reduce the amount of weekly services back to 3.
So where does that leave longhaul crew? QCCA will be safe with the 380. Unlikely they will be parked. Where and when will the 787's arrive?
As to the current bickering, there are many of us who saw it coming before the last EBA was signed off. What did you all honestly think would happen? Sadly, it is only get to get worse as we get more divided. As time goes on, it is going to get much worse, nothing we can do to change that.
As for the fees, my belief is that it should be a percentage of your salary (not a flat rate for all). Current Longhaul crew may have to pay a little more, QCCA crew a little less. Anything different is going to result in further division. I personally would rather pay a little more in order to hopefully keep us better unified, as the cost of the alternative will be much more than the additional fees. Division is going to cost a lot more that a few measly dollars per annum.
The next week, then the next 12 months will be very interesting for Longhaul crew.
Brace Brace Brace.
My mail is that 744's will go as the 380 arrives in a 1 for 1 replacement (ie. 6 by early next year). Potentially more 767's to cease international ops (ie. Japan, and a reduction in HNL). South America to be put on hold indefinately, and SFO and FRA under review, with SFO likely to reduce the amount of weekly services back to 3.
So where does that leave longhaul crew? QCCA will be safe with the 380. Unlikely they will be parked. Where and when will the 787's arrive?
As to the current bickering, there are many of us who saw it coming before the last EBA was signed off. What did you all honestly think would happen? Sadly, it is only get to get worse as we get more divided. As time goes on, it is going to get much worse, nothing we can do to change that.
As for the fees, my belief is that it should be a percentage of your salary (not a flat rate for all). Current Longhaul crew may have to pay a little more, QCCA crew a little less. Anything different is going to result in further division. I personally would rather pay a little more in order to hopefully keep us better unified, as the cost of the alternative will be much more than the additional fees. Division is going to cost a lot more that a few measly dollars per annum.
The next week, then the next 12 months will be very interesting for Longhaul crew.
Brace Brace Brace.
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Skylarker, I think it is you who is trying to twist & distort previous posts.RW said that fuel could be used as an excuse for action by the company to which you replied 'You serious'
Well it looks like Geoff Dixon is certainly taking it seriously.
You also said that they would never use 457's and that they weren't even legal
If I were you I'd quit while your this far behind as any more will be embarrassing.
Southside747,Good call.
I think your closer to the money than we think.This has the potential to become very ugly.
Well it looks like Geoff Dixon is certainly taking it seriously.
You also said that they would never use 457's and that they weren't even legal
No he wouldn't and nor could he by law.
457's are a special visa granted for exceptional reason's ie: pilot shortage.
They are on a fixed term agreement as well.
No shortage of F/A wanna b's here in Oz
457's are a special visa granted for exceptional reason's ie: pilot shortage.
They are on a fixed term agreement as well.
No shortage of F/A wanna b's here in Oz
Southside747,Good call.
I think your closer to the money than we think.This has the potential to become very ugly.
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Just a question
With the start up of QCCA would it not be in the best interest of QF to minimise recruitment in AKL and eventually phase the base out, as seen with the BKK crew? Or is that simply wishful thinking...
With the start up of QCCA would it not be in the best interest of QF to minimise recruitment in AKL and eventually phase the base out, as seen with the BKK crew? Or is that simply wishful thinking...
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herald sun article - published on sat, may 24, 2008
JETSTAR ON VAPOUR TRAIL FOR STAFF
Jetstar is turning japanese ever so slightly.
Jetstar has hired 20 japanese flight attendants on controversial skilled visas to look after passengers on Japan routes.
The Herald Sun believes it is the first time an Australian carrier has imported cabin crew.
Jetstar spokesman Simon westaway said yesterday that the foreigners were needed, despite the airline $7000 bonuses to Australian staff who spoke fluent japanese.
" we operate 17 flights a week between Australia and Japan, but we didn't have the coverage with existing staff" he said.
" Its about searching for a skill set. We need japanese speakers on our japan services".
The japanese FA's came to Australia on training visas, but have now been approved to stay for up to 4 years under the so called 457 temporary skilled migration program.
wow: what a joke hey ?
they have a shortage of australian japanese language speakers ? i dont think so. and WOW a $ 7000 bonus. what difference does that make when u get paid peanuts for ur salary. $7000 + peanuts= living bellow the poverty line.
not sure if u guys know but new Jetstar FA's are now employed by a company called TEAM JETSTAR> they have Jet* domestic ( the initial company with an EBA ) , than they created Jet* international ( under an AWA ) and now "team Jet* " > which is their version of QCCA.
those guys can fly on any route at any giving time. domestic or international.
my mate that flies out of CNS domestic base had one of "those" new japanese crew on a BNE rtn. r u serious? thought they were needed for the japan routes. wonder if the union is keeping a close eye on that matter.
the so called 457 visa no longer applies to pilot shortage. scary really.
Jetstar is turning japanese ever so slightly.
Jetstar has hired 20 japanese flight attendants on controversial skilled visas to look after passengers on Japan routes.
The Herald Sun believes it is the first time an Australian carrier has imported cabin crew.
Jetstar spokesman Simon westaway said yesterday that the foreigners were needed, despite the airline $7000 bonuses to Australian staff who spoke fluent japanese.
" we operate 17 flights a week between Australia and Japan, but we didn't have the coverage with existing staff" he said.
" Its about searching for a skill set. We need japanese speakers on our japan services".
The japanese FA's came to Australia on training visas, but have now been approved to stay for up to 4 years under the so called 457 temporary skilled migration program.
wow: what a joke hey ?
they have a shortage of australian japanese language speakers ? i dont think so. and WOW a $ 7000 bonus. what difference does that make when u get paid peanuts for ur salary. $7000 + peanuts= living bellow the poverty line.
not sure if u guys know but new Jetstar FA's are now employed by a company called TEAM JETSTAR> they have Jet* domestic ( the initial company with an EBA ) , than they created Jet* international ( under an AWA ) and now "team Jet* " > which is their version of QCCA.
those guys can fly on any route at any giving time. domestic or international.
my mate that flies out of CNS domestic base had one of "those" new japanese crew on a BNE rtn. r u serious? thought they were needed for the japan routes. wonder if the union is keeping a close eye on that matter.
the so called 457 visa no longer applies to pilot shortage. scary really.
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in regards to ur comments:
"As to the current bickering, there are many of us who saw it coming before the last EBA was signed off. What did you all honestly think would happen? Sadly, it is only get to get worse as we get more divided. As time goes on, it is going to get much worse, nothing we can do to change that.
As for the fees, my belief is that it should be a percentage of your salary (not a flat rate for all). Current Longhaul crew may have to pay a little more, QCCA crew a little less. Anything different is going to result in further division. I personally would rather pay a little more in order to hopefully keep us better unified, as the cost of the alternative will be much more than the additional fees. Division is going to cost a lot more that a few measly dollars per annum."
OMG ! couldnt agree more. as per many of my previous threads thats the whole reason i started putting messages out here. i have always been pro union, but am not prepared to pay the current FAAA fees, specially since we dont have any QCCA reps there and we dont get paid the same. that aside, i would love the union to come up with a solution to this. and again, trust me, they will not have any QCCA members. and im assure you all that im not alone on that one!
its not only a matter of the $$$, a lot of the newbies are not here for the long run. just ask out online. they will tell u. they dont care cause the majority of them will not be here in 4-5 years time, so this whole discussion about the next EBA they are not interested at all. they will all be drunk at a full moon party somewhere in thailand.
the minority, crew in their 30's + ( incl. ex ansett, ex mammers, people with financial commitments,plus a few of the young ones with their heads screwed on ) they do care to a cretain degree.
"As to the current bickering, there are many of us who saw it coming before the last EBA was signed off. What did you all honestly think would happen? Sadly, it is only get to get worse as we get more divided. As time goes on, it is going to get much worse, nothing we can do to change that.
As for the fees, my belief is that it should be a percentage of your salary (not a flat rate for all). Current Longhaul crew may have to pay a little more, QCCA crew a little less. Anything different is going to result in further division. I personally would rather pay a little more in order to hopefully keep us better unified, as the cost of the alternative will be much more than the additional fees. Division is going to cost a lot more that a few measly dollars per annum."
OMG ! couldnt agree more. as per many of my previous threads thats the whole reason i started putting messages out here. i have always been pro union, but am not prepared to pay the current FAAA fees, specially since we dont have any QCCA reps there and we dont get paid the same. that aside, i would love the union to come up with a solution to this. and again, trust me, they will not have any QCCA members. and im assure you all that im not alone on that one!
its not only a matter of the $$$, a lot of the newbies are not here for the long run. just ask out online. they will tell u. they dont care cause the majority of them will not be here in 4-5 years time, so this whole discussion about the next EBA they are not interested at all. they will all be drunk at a full moon party somewhere in thailand.
the minority, crew in their 30's + ( incl. ex ansett, ex mammers, people with financial commitments,plus a few of the young ones with their heads screwed on ) they do care to a cretain degree.
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Bla_Bla.mate like I said before I go along with what your saying.I reckon if your doing the same job as us but for less dollars and more hours and no roster I don't see how the union should think you guys should pay the same as we do.
if the union can see this down the line about 10 years or more they should want you guys to join.The company loves all this split and divide cr@$ and if we want a chance to handle them then we need to be one group not 2.
This 457 visa con they are pulling is just the start and they come up with something new all the time.I don't care who is in canberra they all have beers and work out how to scratch each others back.This latest pr spin by Dixon will be to get rid of as many original crew as they can and replace them with qcca crew.I was wondering how long before they made a move and they didn't take long.
I hope they don't use this and give Frankfurt flights the chop.I reckon SFO is looking shaky but with v Australia starting up you wouldn't want to bet on it.
if the union can see this down the line about 10 years or more they should want you guys to join.The company loves all this split and divide cr@$ and if we want a chance to handle them then we need to be one group not 2.
This 457 visa con they are pulling is just the start and they come up with something new all the time.I don't care who is in canberra they all have beers and work out how to scratch each others back.This latest pr spin by Dixon will be to get rid of as many original crew as they can and replace them with qcca crew.I was wondering how long before they made a move and they didn't take long.
I hope they don't use this and give Frankfurt flights the chop.I reckon SFO is looking shaky but with v Australia starting up you wouldn't want to bet on it.
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Roaming, I think that was always the intention..to reduce the long haul and increase the qcca over the life of this eba...and then sit back and watch the ructions at the end of the 5 years..
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There have been a number of crew sacked in recent years and disciplined by the company. the fAAA has defended its members and not one flight attendant that was sacked by qantas and represented by the fAAA didnt get their job back if they wanted it.
each of these cases costs about the same to run about 30-40K.
The fees are $624pa or about $12 a week before tax and the cost of a couple of cappucinos after tax.
The FAAA is a small boutique union giving very personal representation and thats expensive. The Short Haul FAAA is roundly bagged by its members for being remote and not returning calls. Dont quote me just talk to SH members, many of whom ring the international Division and ask to join there.
Large unions with significant more members are represented by the same number of staff as the FAAA in many cases but with vastly reduced access to officials and staff. The fees although less are more in agrregate to pay the services.
If the FAAA lowered its fees it would have to reduce staff and services. The FAAA now has to pay Qantas to release officials and that is very expensive as are having qualified lawyers on the staff who are availablee 5 days a week to the members.
Frankly if crew cant afford the fees then its just too bad . I dont want reduced representation. And i think 12 a week is not too much for what we get.
Naturally the FAAA wants QCCA crew to join the FAAA but they will not allow a dilution of services or cause other members to resign and expect the same fee reduction.
Larger unions with 000's of members can offer what is best suited to their circumstances. The FAAA elections have just taken place and representation is now set for the next four years.
There are a number of QCCA crew that have contacted the FAAA and wish to work as delegates and workplace advocates and of course that will be encouraged.
Further two very senior FAAA officials will be working on the A380 on exactly the same conditions as QCCA crew. So any argument that QCCA are not represented must be seen within that context.
each of these cases costs about the same to run about 30-40K.
The fees are $624pa or about $12 a week before tax and the cost of a couple of cappucinos after tax.
The FAAA is a small boutique union giving very personal representation and thats expensive. The Short Haul FAAA is roundly bagged by its members for being remote and not returning calls. Dont quote me just talk to SH members, many of whom ring the international Division and ask to join there.
Large unions with significant more members are represented by the same number of staff as the FAAA in many cases but with vastly reduced access to officials and staff. The fees although less are more in agrregate to pay the services.
If the FAAA lowered its fees it would have to reduce staff and services. The FAAA now has to pay Qantas to release officials and that is very expensive as are having qualified lawyers on the staff who are availablee 5 days a week to the members.
Frankly if crew cant afford the fees then its just too bad . I dont want reduced representation. And i think 12 a week is not too much for what we get.
Naturally the FAAA wants QCCA crew to join the FAAA but they will not allow a dilution of services or cause other members to resign and expect the same fee reduction.
Larger unions with 000's of members can offer what is best suited to their circumstances. The FAAA elections have just taken place and representation is now set for the next four years.
There are a number of QCCA crew that have contacted the FAAA and wish to work as delegates and workplace advocates and of course that will be encouraged.
Further two very senior FAAA officials will be working on the A380 on exactly the same conditions as QCCA crew. So any argument that QCCA are not represented must be seen within that context.