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The A380
The new "Flying Circus"
Its going to be very entertaining
The newly promoted leading the newly pissed off.
Customer satisfaction...who cares?
Qantas management Dont
Its going to be very entertaining
The newly promoted leading the newly pissed off.
Customer satisfaction...who cares?
Qantas management Dont
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Given what i know about many of the "newly promoted" , anyone with an axe to grind better leave it off the A/C with these guys....For the whingers and the lazy or dissaffected it will be a very short career and they will find themselves on Clause 11's and out the door in a nano second.
And...if as i hear they are not FAAA members it will be a process that will take a day or so to see them back on the dole queue where many of them belong.
Having had that little rant, my personal experience with the new crew that i have flown with is that they are a breath of fresh air and are doing a great job and laregely understand that their job security is underpinned by their competitive conditions. The conditions are far from the worst in the Industry and if MAM or Virgin is so much better i am sure that QCCA will start leaving.
The reality is, that when their was shrinkage in the AKL base to Air New Zealand, Qantas had to improve some of the Jetconnect conditions in their contract.
If a few QCCA crew start leaving then Qantas may review the arragements..for those unhappy on here perhaps you should be the martyrs for the others and leave.
In doing so you would increase the relative IQ of the establishment and the sourness you are feeling could be offset by all the free time you would have on the dole queue
And...if as i hear they are not FAAA members it will be a process that will take a day or so to see them back on the dole queue where many of them belong.
Having had that little rant, my personal experience with the new crew that i have flown with is that they are a breath of fresh air and are doing a great job and laregely understand that their job security is underpinned by their competitive conditions. The conditions are far from the worst in the Industry and if MAM or Virgin is so much better i am sure that QCCA will start leaving.
The reality is, that when their was shrinkage in the AKL base to Air New Zealand, Qantas had to improve some of the Jetconnect conditions in their contract.
If a few QCCA crew start leaving then Qantas may review the arragements..for those unhappy on here perhaps you should be the martyrs for the others and leave.
In doing so you would increase the relative IQ of the establishment and the sourness you are feeling could be offset by all the free time you would have on the dole queue
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Much of the slagging off on this website always relates to QCCA crew. However you fail to highlight who the biggest whingers are....
On any flight speak to the QLH crew and all you get is moaning and complaining about, how bad the company is, how much the flying has changed, it's not fun anymore etc....... To date I have yet to work on a flight where QLH crew are not complaining....
We ALL bitch and moan online so stop making out like it's only QCCA.. It's part of the Cabin Crew culture and you all know it....... So if YOU don't like how about YOU leave!!!!!!!!!
My part said, i wont waste my breath anymore...
On any flight speak to the QLH crew and all you get is moaning and complaining about, how bad the company is, how much the flying has changed, it's not fun anymore etc....... To date I have yet to work on a flight where QLH crew are not complaining....
We ALL bitch and moan online so stop making out like it's only QCCA.. It's part of the Cabin Crew culture and you all know it....... So if YOU don't like how about YOU leave!!!!!!!!!
My part said, i wont waste my breath anymore...
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I reckon it's funny how this agro is not on the qcca thread.Not in a funny ha ha sort of way but funny.
I reckon there are some here that are using this for politics.Leave it for the office guys & girls this was about accomodation not bitch sessions.
Thanks qantart.
Back to our pubs and I hear the pilots are not happy about a move in honkers.
I reckon there are some here that are using this for politics.Leave it for the office guys & girls this was about accomodation not bitch sessions.
My part said, i wont waste my breath anymore...
Back to our pubs and I hear the pilots are not happy about a move in honkers.
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Has the move in Hong Kong actually been confirmed.
I thought they would have published new accommodation in the bid books??? Or are they yet to decide on where they are putting us?
I thought they would have published new accommodation in the bid books??? Or are they yet to decide on where they are putting us?
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"The one thing i can say is that all the whinging is anonymous and behind closed doors, if they whinge in front of me they better have something credible or constructive to say."
Gee you're a tough man Peg!
All I can say is that everything I predicted has come to fruition. The honeymoon period is over with the QCCA crew and they're pissed off (with every right to be). Bickering between the two groups can only intensify now as the issues become more important ones. The Company is sitting back watching this all unfold with smiles on their faces.
Well done guys! The slippery slide has begun.
Gee you're a tough man Peg!
All I can say is that everything I predicted has come to fruition. The honeymoon period is over with the QCCA crew and they're pissed off (with every right to be). Bickering between the two groups can only intensify now as the issues become more important ones. The Company is sitting back watching this all unfold with smiles on their faces.
Well done guys! The slippery slide has begun.
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The slippery slide is in your imagination.
There has been no conflict between anyone that I have seen.
Choice of flying is improving,super is improving,wages improving and I personally dont care about room allocation.
There is no drama anywhere...you are simply trying to manufacture some.
You are a sad twisted little sister.
The batteries are flat in one of your toys...go buy some new ones
There has been no conflict between anyone that I have seen.
Choice of flying is improving,super is improving,wages improving and I personally dont care about room allocation.
There is no drama anywhere...you are simply trying to manufacture some.
You are a sad twisted little sister.
The batteries are flat in one of your toys...go buy some new ones
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qantart,the union might know for sure but I think they are looking at new pubs and the one near the airport has been talked about by some pilots.
Its probably the company doing their usual trick of scare tactics to get something they want.
veronica,we all know you are one unhappy camper and everyone but you is greedy ra da ra da ra da ra da
but let it go and act like an adult.only children carry on saying 'I told you so'
there is no point in going on with this except if all you want to do is to close the thread.
give it a rest .
Its probably the company doing their usual trick of scare tactics to get something they want.
veronica,we all know you are one unhappy camper and everyone but you is greedy ra da ra da ra da ra da
but let it go and act like an adult.only children carry on saying 'I told you so'
there is no point in going on with this except if all you want to do is to close the thread.
give it a rest .
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You talk utter B@##$@&T.
Kiwi crew have never complained about rooms because of seniority.
They have been upset over work allocation positions because of the removal of the seniority system and the fact that QCCA regardless of start date are more senior in this respect as well. Again unfair.
QCCA like Jetconnect is not QF, but a wholly owned subsidury and therefor should fall into line behind the kiwis...plain and simple.
Again when the company wanted to pre allocate work positions for all QCCA/AKL and BKK crew this rang alarm bells in the FAAA bunker as this would also affect QFA crew as previously stated. Could you imagine if a QCCA and AKL crew member was allocated LP1 and R1P. Shock horror, what would Phyliss and Beth do who always worked those positions. They effectivly didn't have a say in their work positions either. This is why the FAAA took it up with the company. Now it has been changed to random after the QFA's have selected their positions, all is sweet now. That chapter is closed now they have the outcome they desired and to hell with everyone else.
Hmmm good question.
What would the builders union, train drivers union, teachers union etc do if the Govt said they were bringing in O/S workers on lower pay and conditions and or starting offshore workers to work along side them on different conditions? Not bend over and take it, thats for sure. You can bet your bottom dollar they would fight it till the last man and woman. It's called having balls and fighting the fair fight for what is right. Get it?
You talk utter B@##$@&T.
Kiwi crew have never complained about rooms because of seniority.
They have been upset over work allocation positions because of the removal of the seniority system and the fact that QCCA regardless of start date are more senior in this respect as well. Again unfair.
QCCA like Jetconnect is not QF, but a wholly owned subsidury and therefor should fall into line behind the kiwis...plain and simple.
Again when the company wanted to pre allocate work positions for all QCCA/AKL and BKK crew this rang alarm bells in the FAAA bunker as this would also affect QFA crew as previously stated. Could you imagine if a QCCA and AKL crew member was allocated LP1 and R1P. Shock horror, what would Phyliss and Beth do who always worked those positions. They effectivly didn't have a say in their work positions either. This is why the FAAA took it up with the company. Now it has been changed to random after the QFA's have selected their positions, all is sweet now. That chapter is closed now they have the outcome they desired and to hell with everyone else.
But thinking about this what would you new guys and girls do if at the next eba the company said they wanted a 'C' pay which is lower than what 'B' pay is?
the trickis that the company tells you that if you don't go along with the deal they will start up bases all over the place and you guys will end up loosing a lot of your flying.
the trickis that the company tells you that if you don't go along with the deal they will start up bases all over the place and you guys will end up loosing a lot of your flying.
What would the builders union, train drivers union, teachers union etc do if the Govt said they were bringing in O/S workers on lower pay and conditions and or starting offshore workers to work along side them on different conditions? Not bend over and take it, thats for sure. You can bet your bottom dollar they would fight it till the last man and woman. It's called having balls and fighting the fair fight for what is right. Get it?
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Don't you just love the new Qantas ads."The most experienced airline".
"Experience counts for nothing" should be the new ad.
Seniority, based on DOJ should apply when it comes to the allocation of hotel rooms and work positions.
It's really not fair on some of the older more experienced crew, like the Kiwi's, who have been around for several years, and have done the hard yards. Especially when they see someone straight out of training getting a better choice.
It is not only about experience, it's about RESPECT.
"Experience counts for nothing" should be the new ad.
Seniority, based on DOJ should apply when it comes to the allocation of hotel rooms and work positions.
It's really not fair on some of the older more experienced crew, like the Kiwi's, who have been around for several years, and have done the hard yards. Especially when they see someone straight out of training getting a better choice.
It is not only about experience, it's about RESPECT.
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Haha, improve conditions, for who? And keep the conditions and improve conditions, for who?
When did we last have a say in negotiations anyway? QF handed the current EBA to you and said take it or leave it.
You see thats the problem. If they dont joing the union then the union will not fight to improve conditions. THey will certainly fight to keep the conditions and improve the conditions of members.
So if the QCCA crew decide not to be members then they will have no say whatsoever in negotiations as the company only deal with the FAAA. You can only vote for FAAA officials or run for office if you are a member.
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but that wouldn't happen because Dixon would be bringing foreign crew in on 457 visa's and they would be complaining about how little they get.
457's are a special visa granted for exceptional reason's ie: pilot shortage.
They are on a fixed term agreement as well.
No shortage of F/A wanna b's here in Oz
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skylarker,you didn't read my post did you?
I said what if the company said they want to start up a 'C' scale on even lowwr pay and conditions that the qcca or 'B' scale is?
I didn't say they wanted to bring in cheap crew from OS.I said they would open up bases OS if you didn't go along with the deal and then you would lose your flying.
You reckon all other crew would stand by you and fight?
i have been in that boat and a lot of crew went to work a well as the strike breakers from other parts of the company that wanted our jobs.If you think about it a lot of the last strikebreakers went over to work in the kiwi base.
I like your part where you say 'fight the fair fight',
mate there is no such thing i this game.
Get it?
You wanna bet mate.
there are stacks of pilots in Oz who have applications in for J* but do not get interviews and why?
cause the Company want cheap pilots they don't have to train.It keeps the pilots here out of the loop.
If you don't think they could get the gov to agree to a 457 visa deal then you have no idea pal.
How do you think they have kept sia out of the pacific.this company has so much clout with the federal gov it's not funny
I said what if the company said they want to start up a 'C' scale on even lowwr pay and conditions that the qcca or 'B' scale is?
I didn't say they wanted to bring in cheap crew from OS.I said they would open up bases OS if you didn't go along with the deal and then you would lose your flying.
You reckon all other crew would stand by you and fight?
i have been in that boat and a lot of crew went to work a well as the strike breakers from other parts of the company that wanted our jobs.If you think about it a lot of the last strikebreakers went over to work in the kiwi base.
I like your part where you say 'fight the fair fight',
mate there is no such thing i this game.
Get it?
No he wouldn't and nor could he by law.
457's are a special visa granted for exceptional reason's ie: pilot shortage.
They are on a fixed term agreement as well.
No shortage of F/A wanna b's here in Oz
457's are a special visa granted for exceptional reason's ie: pilot shortage.
They are on a fixed term agreement as well.
No shortage of F/A wanna b's here in Oz
there are stacks of pilots in Oz who have applications in for J* but do not get interviews and why?
cause the Company want cheap pilots they don't have to train.It keeps the pilots here out of the loop.
If you don't think they could get the gov to agree to a 457 visa deal then you have no idea pal.
How do you think they have kept sia out of the pacific.this company has so much clout with the federal gov it's not funny
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457's are a special visa granted for exceptional reason's ie: pilot shortage.
The price of fuel!
But like I said this thread is about our hotels not about any group feeling left out.
if you feel like that then get a group together and go to the union and run for the next election and make sure you have your own rep.
Shazz-zaam,well said mate could not agree more.
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You wanna make a bet
I am no company stoog by a long shot and while I do agree there maybe pilots with applications in the system, there is obviously a huge shortage of suitably qualified techies able to jump into to front seat at short notice and this is the reason for the 457's and is only a short gap fix.
there are stacks of pilots in Oz who have applications in for J*
If Cheapstar had good T and C they would have no problem getting Australian pilots.
Sure, back to accommodation.
Whats news with the Bonaventure, re moving? Any updates on that front? Was anyone there last week when the fire broke out in the Brewery?
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don't take the bait cart cause he and a few others just want the thread closed down.
I hear that the pilots pub in melbourne is also being looked at because they are looking at a 76 base in mexico.
I still reckon the company does this now and again just to stir the pot and ask for something they want in return for not changing hotels.
I hear that the pilots pub in melbourne is also being looked at because they are looking at a 76 base in mexico.
I still reckon the company does this now and again just to stir the pot and ask for something they want in return for not changing hotels.
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Skylarker
Jet Star already employ foreign crew in Australia on 457 visa's and this is not because of lack of suitable applicants it comes down to cost or in jetstar's excemptional case language and cultural skills.
This is part of an article in the Sydney Morning Herald dated 26/5/08
Jetstar has also recently hired 20 foreign cabin crew on 457 visas and has government approval to hire up to 60 more.
Jet Star already employ foreign crew in Australia on 457 visa's and this is not because of lack of suitable applicants it comes down to cost or in jetstar's excemptional case language and cultural skills.
This is part of an article in the Sydney Morning Herald dated 26/5/08
Jetstar has also recently hired 20 foreign cabin crew on 457 visas and has government approval to hire up to 60 more.
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Gee Skylarker seems to be missing the mark.
Geoff Dixon will be happy to know that fuel is not a critical issue at the moment and has not risen much over the last 12 months at all.All those quotes of GD's about rising fuel costs must have been misquoted!
Now it also seems as though Skylarker has lost his bet and done his dough about the 457 visa's.
Would you care to make any other forecasts there Skylarker?
Geoff Dixon will be happy to know that fuel is not a critical issue at the moment and has not risen much over the last 12 months at all.All those quotes of GD's about rising fuel costs must have been misquoted!
Now it also seems as though Skylarker has lost his bet and done his dough about the 457 visa's.
Would you care to make any other forecasts there Skylarker?
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Qantas has just announced parking aircraft internationally and domestically, cancelling some routes entirely and a redundancy and leave burn program across the company.
Hold on to your collective hats this will be more significant than work position and hotel room. Some of us may not have to worry about that for much longer
Stay tuned
Hold on to your collective hats this will be more significant than work position and hotel room. Some of us may not have to worry about that for much longer
Stay tuned