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Old 6th May 2008, 01:34
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Rogues Gallery

Anybody with experience in the industry will have come across some devious behaviour and low acts perpetrated by operators,other pilots,pax etc. Why not share your experience here so that the less experienced might learn what sort of things to expect (the glass half full part of me hopes they won't be repeated).

PLEASE NO NAMES, EITHER INDIVIDUALS OR ORGANISATIONS

Share your experiences here so that others might learn.
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Old 6th May 2008, 02:14
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Last week I saw the owner of a large Auckland GA outfit park in the staff carpool car park even though he was the only one in the vehicle. It is this sort of devious behaviour that has infiltrated the whole industry and leaves me wondering about the future and saddened at the thought of how low we have sunk. If you're just joining the industry....DON'T!!! You can expect to witness this sort of corruption on an almost daily basis and although initially many rally against it, it will beat you down over the years until one morning you wake up and find that you yourself are just as bad, saying Wanga-ray instead of Funga-rei and being tempted to smack your children instead of putting them on the naughty matt for 8 seconds. Last night while seperating my chai tea leaves for the recycling I left the light on in the lounge with nobody in there....goodness knows how big my footprint is now but it doesn't bare thinking about. The industry is rotten from the inside out and you can't help but be affected. Be warned, stay clear.
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FTDK

I did ask!
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I once saw an Australian airline's 747-400 sit on a taxiway for 10 minutes with its engines running! I was shocked. If it wasn't for the engine noise, I reckon I could hear those trees in the Amazon being chopped down. Shameful, absolutely shameful.
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Sorry Spike....I have to admit that I'm quite drunk at the moment.
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Half your luck. I reckon that manager would have more right to park in the disabled spot (mental that is)
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Sorry Spike, I thought better of it!

My mouth has got me into enough trouble already this week.

Oh, what the heck! I think one only has to look at the NTSB reports on some of the recent major aircraft accidents in this country to see all of the "devious behaviour and low acts" you want.

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No problemmo mate.It wasn't me that lifted your post though. Go right ahead with as many examples as you have. I am sure we all have something to share
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I did fart on the flight deck once (maybe twice) and blamed the cabin crew who delivered the coffee.

Any lower ?
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can we have perhaps 'nice' acts rather than shameful ones? Otherwise we shall be here 4ever but if nice acts where shown here it ought to take about 3 mins to run out completely of nice things to say!


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Nice Thingies.......

Many moons ago whilst heavily engaged in CHTR ops in PD, I had to change aircraft rather quickly - it was ALREADY loaded and ready to go - and the resident 'filthy' pilot who ALWAYS left the aircraft dirty / messy / and 'crap' everywhere, had actually filled her up - AND wiped the windscreen for me............WOW!!

I actually bought him a beer when I got back later.

He still didn't really change though.....Only bloke I've ever seen start an aircraft facing the runway, brakes orf, and just 'go for it'....
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Old 6th May 2008, 08:43
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Might be an idea for separate thread

Fair enough CW but the idea is to give the newbies a heads up so they know how to deal with the rogues. As you would know some of the crooks keep reoffending and catching those who are not aware.
Still, I like the idea of peace, light and happiness but I am trying to start a super-thread here!
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that's fine 'FS' I was speaking with forked tongue

A super thread hey? well you sure have the subject heading for such a thread although me thinks that the Mods will cut it down & fast once the dirty laundry gets hung out!


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You should be a wind-up merchant.Youhad me!
I can't see why the mods should stop it. It is in the interest of all pilots as long as we stick to the "no names, no pack drill" rule
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2 days ago I had to shut the right engine down in a PA31 due to low oil pressure and extremely high engine temp. I had just left a private airstrip (about 22NM) and was on climb passing 6500 ft when I noticed the problem. Anyway to cut the story short made a single engine approach back to the private airstrip. I then rang the boss and explained what had happened!! He was less then impressed ... He made comments like have you heard of PNR's and EPT's you could have made it back on one engine!!! I was very shocked this is a bloke that prides himself on safety. He then continued to tell me that I was to drop the oil and filter out and check for metal shavings. If there were no shavings I was to fill it up and fly it home. Well I told him the keys are on the seat and I am catching the bus home and hung up on him!!! I organized a ride into town when I got a SMS .... LAME is on his way, there is no need to resign we will have a chat when you get back.

It just goes to show that even the safe operators (well the ones that appear safe) get upset and think of insanely stupid things!!!
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'FS' yeah soz, wind up I can be good at

'airman 1' in yr case it would have been "damned if you do damned if you don't"
Continuing on as per the operators expectations could have resulted in several very diff outcomes. such as another eng failure due to high sustained pwr settings then the resultant crash! Possible long term damage for that good eng whilst enroute home SE.
You did the right thing & what's more you where prepared to be man about it, well done
I hope you both learnt from that experience, yr boss can't be a P***K all the time & you won't ever trust him again.


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Thumbs up

Excellent post A1 and a great reply from CW. Thats what I want to see.Keep 'em coming.
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airman1,

I knew a bloke (pilot type bloke) some years ago who had a similar event, only after he took the cowl off and made the "inspection", he didn't replace the cowl properly. Said cowl departed the airframe on the subsequent flight, I think causing some other airframe damage on the way.

The repair bill was taken from his salary!
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Mates

Had a bloke repeatedly pester me for a job. Finally relented and within a month he had knifed me in the back to the owner/ops manager about duty times (The pilot wanted to work outside CAO48). I wouldn't bend the rules so had to leave. Haven't flown for a living since. Thanks pal! Still, I believe in karma.

Lesson to newbies: Keep your friends close. Keep your enemies even closer.
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Company I once worked for had a major accident, all died. Workers comp. premiums for the pilot had not been paid and his family got nothing.

Now get this, later on the company was grounded by CASA after it was found they had reduced the passenger insurance below what was legally required.

Also paid below award, no superannuation, no allowances or holiday pay.

Thankfully now out of business.
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