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Captain Stoobing...
If you could see an injustice being done, and you feel that some poor naiive people are being lead up the garden path, would you try and warn others to stay away from a deception? or would you just sit back and watch others get taken advantage of ?
If you knew of a conman operating in your neighbourhood, would you say something to your neighbours? or just sit quietly by?
The same is true of aviation. there is a "brotherhood" whereby, to a certain extent, people tend to look out for others - be they professionals or otherwise. If I knew of an injustice taking place either in an airline, or in a flyingschool, or in a GA company, and feel that people would be better off avoiding the place, then I would make this info known.
Many businesses trade on "word of mouth". If the word of mouth is BAD, and the company loses business, then they MUST change their ways, or go out of business. Aviation is no different.
You speak of people 'at the coalface"... what do you think that many of the posters on here are ? MANAGEMENT????? certainly not. I am in no doubt that they troll these pages, and I know for certain that they have meetings with the pilot group, but, as KRUSTY has reiterated time and again, ALL THE
CONCERNS OF THE PILOT BODY ARE FALLING ON DEAF EARS.
I would pretty much bet a penny to a pound, that IF management would listen, and terms and conditions were improved, which in turn would lead to the diminishing of the exodus, and a more certain future for those "at the coalface", then the negativity on here would cease.
Telling management that they are taking the wrong path, is a bit of CRM. I would expect that management would take this on board, and at least consider what they are being told, much as a captain WOULD listen if the F/O voiced concerns over the direction of the flight! And let us not forget that these are the people who preach CRM, as well as using "the PILOT model".
It would appear that those in the upper echelons have not heeded their own advise.... they may have:
Pooled the facts - without advice from those at the coalface
Identified the problem - not all of it though.
Looked for a solution - maybe should have looked at two or three, as advised
Operated - the cadets school!
Take Stock - ???? I don't think so. The problem has NOT gone away.
time to go back to the top!!!!
If you could see an injustice being done, and you feel that some poor naiive people are being lead up the garden path, would you try and warn others to stay away from a deception? or would you just sit back and watch others get taken advantage of ?
If you knew of a conman operating in your neighbourhood, would you say something to your neighbours? or just sit quietly by?
The same is true of aviation. there is a "brotherhood" whereby, to a certain extent, people tend to look out for others - be they professionals or otherwise. If I knew of an injustice taking place either in an airline, or in a flyingschool, or in a GA company, and feel that people would be better off avoiding the place, then I would make this info known.
Many businesses trade on "word of mouth". If the word of mouth is BAD, and the company loses business, then they MUST change their ways, or go out of business. Aviation is no different.
You speak of people 'at the coalface"... what do you think that many of the posters on here are ? MANAGEMENT????? certainly not. I am in no doubt that they troll these pages, and I know for certain that they have meetings with the pilot group, but, as KRUSTY has reiterated time and again, ALL THE
CONCERNS OF THE PILOT BODY ARE FALLING ON DEAF EARS.
I would pretty much bet a penny to a pound, that IF management would listen, and terms and conditions were improved, which in turn would lead to the diminishing of the exodus, and a more certain future for those "at the coalface", then the negativity on here would cease.
Telling management that they are taking the wrong path, is a bit of CRM. I would expect that management would take this on board, and at least consider what they are being told, much as a captain WOULD listen if the F/O voiced concerns over the direction of the flight! And let us not forget that these are the people who preach CRM, as well as using "the PILOT model".
It would appear that those in the upper echelons have not heeded their own advise.... they may have:
Pooled the facts - without advice from those at the coalface
Identified the problem - not all of it though.
Looked for a solution - maybe should have looked at two or three, as advised
Operated - the cadets school!
Take Stock - ???? I don't think so. The problem has NOT gone away.
time to go back to the top!!!!
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boys boys boys, the "stooberings " of this world are simply naive & have nothing to draw on other than their eagerness which we all know can work against you thru not listening. The ones that have passed thru the doors of hard work the traditional way the best way know that it's a brave new world out there & have something to compare it with. It's just that the "stooberings" have nothing to compare it with, there in lies the difference, we DO! But if they (the "stooberings") don't want to be enlightened by our hard earned wisdom well let them find out the hard way. Wisdom is often seen as an insult to the ill-informed.
Then perhaps although I doubt it with the attitudes of the 'new breed' these days they might pass on their experiences/wisdom to the next batch of hopefuls.
CW
Then perhaps although I doubt it with the attitudes of the 'new breed' these days they might pass on their experiences/wisdom to the next batch of hopefuls.
CW
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Captain Stoobing - the dream starts like this...
And inevitably, ends up like this..
Some people - even some posters on these forums - have been around long enough to know the difference.
Take heed.
And inevitably, ends up like this..
Some people - even some posters on these forums - have been around long enough to know the difference.
Take heed.
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AIRCRAFTtology has found a new green faced alien disciple: Stoobering
Captn Wal & JetA, Golden posts!
Cracked me up till I teared, both with the humour and knowing painfully that you are unfortunately spot on.
Kapitan Stooping is feeling some pain from behind.....you guys better ease up, else he might decide to wise up, keep quiet and just do himself a favour and start listening.
JetA, were those lenses rose tinted? .....Coz the shine has worn off too quickly and 85hrs/month on $42k/yr ain't paying for too many beers at The Loft these days
....oops
Cracked me up till I teared, both with the humour and knowing painfully that you are unfortunately spot on.
Kapitan Stooping is feeling some pain from behind.....you guys better ease up, else he might decide to wise up, keep quiet and just do himself a favour and start listening.
JetA, were those lenses rose tinted? .....Coz the shine has worn off too quickly and 85hrs/month on $42k/yr ain't paying for too many beers at The Loft these days
....oops
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"Jet A"
Well done
And tnxs 'FC' we can only impart our wisdom the best way we know how, 'tis up to those that pass by here with an open mind that we hope may learn.
CW
Well doneAnd tnxs 'FC' we can only impart our wisdom the best way we know how, 'tis up to those that pass by here with an open mind that we hope may learn.
CW
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Getting back on to the thread sort of, I heard they just about have their AOC and that CASA were coming to have a look or something? Any truth to this? Be good for the cadets down there to finally start some flying after only doing theory for the last few months.
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Smoke and mirrors 
- when are these management and political types going to be held accountable for deliberately misleading investors, and others?
If I had large amounts of money tied up in REX shares I would be wanting some answers about NOW - and it's far from just LKH's money involved.
Deliberately misleading the sharemarket with statements of December cadets being ready for SAAB training in just over 30 weeks... half thats gone and their still not flying
. Maybe they would be flying if back BEFORE December excellent salaries were on offer for senior instructors - that would be called attracting and retaining staff Everyone could see this coming except REX management - what else are they hiding from?
Any investment gurus care to comment on the likely reasons for the latest announcement of a company buy back of 12 million shares, beside an attempt to artificially increase the struggling share value?
- when are these management and political types going to be held accountable for deliberately misleading investors, and others?If I had large amounts of money tied up in REX shares I would be wanting some answers about NOW - and it's far from just LKH's money involved.
Deliberately misleading the sharemarket with statements of December cadets being ready for SAAB training in just over 30 weeks... half thats gone and their still not flying
. Maybe they would be flying if back BEFORE December excellent salaries were on offer for senior instructors - that would be called attracting and retaining staff Everyone could see this coming except REX management - what else are they hiding from?Any investment gurus care to comment on the likely reasons for the latest announcement of a company buy back of 12 million shares, beside an attempt to artificially increase the struggling share value?
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Does anybody know if Moorabbin Flying Services are still involved in training these cadets. I heard a rumor they were no longer involved, the only information I can find on their involvement is an initial press release from rex. If they aren't involved any more, were they pushed out or did they just throw in the towel realising the problems that they were going to have.
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wethereyet,
Often it is advantageous to senior management to buy the shares when they are cheap, knowing (if this be the case) that there is a plan to lift the share price later on. Been done before, many times.
ABX
Often it is advantageous to senior management to buy the shares when they are cheap, knowing (if this be the case) that there is a plan to lift the share price later on. Been done before, many times.
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And we know what their big plan to raise the share prise is. Cadets will save the day.
Not only do these clowns not know how to run a company, but they publicly show that they don’t know how to invest (well, invest to make money anyway).
Rex has gotten to the point of being riskier than some highly leveraged finance companies. Sell Sell Sell…………cut the losers.
And we know what their big plan to raise the share prise is. Cadets will save the day.
Not only do these clowns not know how to run a company, but they publicly show that they don’t know how to invest (well, invest to make money anyway).
Rex has gotten to the point of being riskier than some highly leveraged finance companies. Sell Sell Sell…………cut the losers.
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Late yesterday REX announced to the market they have taken over the Mangalore flight training academy and will run it as a part of the core businesses. The press release also confirms that a second course of cadets commenced on 7th April and the first course is in the flying phase of their training!
You beat me to it Oracle..........
Company released information to ASX on 21 April 2008:
REX FULLY ACQUIRES PILOT TRAINING ACADEMY
Regional Express Holdings Limited (Rex) and Mangalore Airport Pty Ltd
announced today that Rex would take full control and ownership of the joint venture pilot training academy based at Mangalore Airport.
Rex Acting Managing Director, Mr Jim Davis said, “It was felt by the Boards of both companies that the full acquisition would be in the interests of the academy.”
The academy, which will be renamed the Australian Airline Pilot Academy, will
continue to be based at Mangalore Airport.
Mr Davis added, “The brand new facilities provided by Mangalore Airport are
of the highest standards and will provide an ideal training environment for the cadets.”
Mangalore Airport Director, Mr Bill Wilson said, “Mangalore Airport will continue to work closely with the Australian Airline Pilot Academy to ensure the complete success of the venture.”
The academy enrolled its second batch of 23 cadets on 7 April 2008, bringing the total number of cadets to 39.
The first batch of cadets are now in the flying stage of their curriculum and
are on track to graduate later this year and commence their conversion training onto Rex’s SAAB 340 aircraft. A new batch of 20 cadets is scheduled to be enrolled every 3 months.
Rex is Australia’s largest independent regional airline operating a fleet of 37Saab 340 aircraft on 1,300 flights weekly to 24 destinations from Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. The Rex Group comprises Regional Express, air freight and charter operator Pel – Air Aviation and Dubbo based regional airline, Air Link.
Media contact: Danielle Ross - Corporate Communications 0402 438 361
Company released information to ASX on 21 April 2008:
REX FULLY ACQUIRES PILOT TRAINING ACADEMY
Regional Express Holdings Limited (Rex) and Mangalore Airport Pty Ltd
announced today that Rex would take full control and ownership of the joint venture pilot training academy based at Mangalore Airport.
Rex Acting Managing Director, Mr Jim Davis said, “It was felt by the Boards of both companies that the full acquisition would be in the interests of the academy.”
The academy, which will be renamed the Australian Airline Pilot Academy, will
continue to be based at Mangalore Airport.
Mr Davis added, “The brand new facilities provided by Mangalore Airport are
of the highest standards and will provide an ideal training environment for the cadets.”
Mangalore Airport Director, Mr Bill Wilson said, “Mangalore Airport will continue to work closely with the Australian Airline Pilot Academy to ensure the complete success of the venture.”
The academy enrolled its second batch of 23 cadets on 7 April 2008, bringing the total number of cadets to 39.
The first batch of cadets are now in the flying stage of their curriculum and
are on track to graduate later this year and commence their conversion training onto Rex’s SAAB 340 aircraft. A new batch of 20 cadets is scheduled to be enrolled every 3 months.
Rex is Australia’s largest independent regional airline operating a fleet of 37Saab 340 aircraft on 1,300 flights weekly to 24 destinations from Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. The Rex Group comprises Regional Express, air freight and charter operator Pel – Air Aviation and Dubbo based regional airline, Air Link.
Media contact: Danielle Ross - Corporate Communications 0402 438 361
For the sake of the young men and women who have put their faith (and money) in this scheme, I sincerely hope this will be a turning point.
I bet though, that it is fast becoming not quite the money making exercise that was sold to the board! Do it half arsed guys and it will continue to dissapoint. Do it properly, and you might need to put your hands a little deeper into the pockets.
Something Mr Lim often finds hard to do.
I bet though, that it is fast becoming not quite the money making exercise that was sold to the board! Do it half arsed guys and it will continue to dissapoint. Do it properly, and you might need to put your hands a little deeper into the pockets.
Something Mr Lim often finds hard to do.
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Humble Pie tastes wonderful!!
Krusty and co... I acknowledge that my post was 'naive' and un-necessarily aggressive and I apologise. From my perspective I would have responded the same (I have been in my industry for 15 years and 'seen it all' both on the road and from management), and I would take exception to an apparent upstart also.
My intention was not to come accross as an upstart. I have made the decision to change careers and pursion my true passion. I have my PPL and the cadetship is financially the only option for me and my family of 6. I would prefer to do it the way yourself and more experienced people have, but money is just not there.
I guess as someone in my position I get a little worried when the dream seems to be getting pooped on before I start. It still does not dissuade me from contunuing to pester HR about an interview date for the next intake. I do know that those on the front lines are wonderful people and my wish is to one day sit beside them, be grilled, be challenged and become a better pilot. Experienced people are a companies best asset. I have trained many myself, and am smart enough to shut my mouth when I am the trainee and not the trainer.
From the sounds of it (like my work) the troops always make managment look good, but there comes a time when enough is enough, so I understand where you guys are coming from after reading EVERY post/thread.
I have a few more pieces of humble pie to eat, so I apologise again and hopefully will not have to 'assume the position' again.
My intention was not to come accross as an upstart. I have made the decision to change careers and pursion my true passion. I have my PPL and the cadetship is financially the only option for me and my family of 6. I would prefer to do it the way yourself and more experienced people have, but money is just not there.
I guess as someone in my position I get a little worried when the dream seems to be getting pooped on before I start. It still does not dissuade me from contunuing to pester HR about an interview date for the next intake. I do know that those on the front lines are wonderful people and my wish is to one day sit beside them, be grilled, be challenged and become a better pilot. Experienced people are a companies best asset. I have trained many myself, and am smart enough to shut my mouth when I am the trainee and not the trainer.
From the sounds of it (like my work) the troops always make managment look good, but there comes a time when enough is enough, so I understand where you guys are coming from after reading EVERY post/thread.
I have a few more pieces of humble pie to eat, so I apologise again and hopefully will not have to 'assume the position' again.
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the cadetship is financially the only option for me and my family of 6. I would prefer to do it the way yourself and more experienced people have, but money is just not there.
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Good Luck Stoobs
Dear Stoobs,
Its a very long road and the best thing you can have going for you is to have a very understanding spouse who also believes in your dream and goals. Your attitude is good and that will get you far.
Tha Saab is wonderful to fly and if you stay focused, it is definitely worth the journey. Krusty is a top bloke, whom like many others know that they command alot more respect from REX in terms of getting the right coin due to their experience and having to put up with low time FOs. Infact, all current Captains are now effectively Training Captains everyday they turn up for work! Unfortunately, when everyone around us is jumping from a sinking ship onto the many prettier Love Boats around, sooner or later ( more likely sooner) we'll all have to wise up and follow.
I wish you the best and if you have time to be on Pprune, I'm sure you are coping well enough.
Its a very long road and the best thing you can have going for you is to have a very understanding spouse who also believes in your dream and goals. Your attitude is good and that will get you far.
Tha Saab is wonderful to fly and if you stay focused, it is definitely worth the journey. Krusty is a top bloke, whom like many others know that they command alot more respect from REX in terms of getting the right coin due to their experience and having to put up with low time FOs. Infact, all current Captains are now effectively Training Captains everyday they turn up for work! Unfortunately, when everyone around us is jumping from a sinking ship onto the many prettier Love Boats around, sooner or later ( more likely sooner) we'll all have to wise up and follow.
I wish you the best and if you have time to be on Pprune, I'm sure you are coping well enough.