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Bolty
Yep!
Unfortunately I am not in a state to work O/T, damn.
Yes I am p!ssed (off).
Are you on the sauce.
Unfortunately I am not in a state to work O/T, damn.
Yes I am p!ssed (off).
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well posted short circuit, i think the association will be able to figure out those two in question are and hopefully expelling will follow. i'm sure if they want to (CRUSH) their (YOUNG) workmates, next time an error ends up happening because of them, there goes there protection, open to all legal fronts that the company will throw at them. May they RIP. Look fwd to thursday i hope the AME's working while it happens inform us and the union of all names so we can publicly shame them and let CASA know of all work they carry out outside there legal privledges.
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Win , lose or draw this thursday at least the acs mac's will start to see what we do, and how good we do it when these 'scabs' attempt to fill our proud shoes. I should be sh#tting myself with a huge mortgage and young family to look after,however I am sick of being managed by fear.Fear is the only tool G.D has in his toolbox and D.C/M.H are his wrenches. I am glad it is coming to a head now otherwise they will lead us down the garden path and probably get rid of us in a few years time anyway. Steve and our execs can only do so much, THE REST IS UP2US!
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And to all the young AME's that may work with these fakes, they have not worked or certified
for an aircraft for many, many years and their licence are not truly valid (once it comes to the
attention of CASA that they have been sitting in an office for eons, not exercising their licence, goonski).
Be very, very carefull what you do! You will be hung along side them by Qantas & CASA
for an aircraft for many, many years and their licence are not truly valid (once it comes to the
attention of CASA that they have been sitting in an office for eons, not exercising their licence, goonski).
Be very, very carefull what you do! You will be hung along side them by Qantas & CASA
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From what I hear Management and others have had specific training from QF and verbals with CASA to reinstate their licence status..Can any one confirm this???
And BTW ...Bring that **** On...Its time to Pay!!!
For too long has GD been able to manipulate and lie to his workforce....
It must stop...Get ready for early retirement I suspect.
Cheers
And BTW ...Bring that **** On...Its time to Pay!!!
For too long has GD been able to manipulate and lie to his workforce....
It must stop...Get ready for early retirement I suspect.
Cheers
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Rest assured that those DMM's and others that choose to stay back on Thursday are probably getting their pockets lined by management. But thats OK. Just be sure that if you are going to sell out on your mates, that the price was worth it.
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Are you for real short circuit!
Not even Qf management can be that stupid as to think that.
They really have no idea do they!
We are not sabotaging aircraft.
All we are doing is not giving 110%
The fleet is doing the rest.
Thats the problem.
Management really has no idea what
we actually do.
If they stopped going on tree hugging jaunts and
actually acted like managers and spent time with the
workforce they might have a clue, actually
when your manager doesn't understand why we
have 2 clocks showing different times we really don't
have much of a chance do we.
Remember, what you reap is what you sow
If anyone is sabotaging the fleet is DC and
his bodgy outsourced maintenance
Well done Dave.
Not even Qf management can be that stupid as to think that.
They really have no idea do they!
We are not sabotaging aircraft.
All we are doing is not giving 110%
The fleet is doing the rest.
Thats the problem.
Management really has no idea what
we actually do.
If they stopped going on tree hugging jaunts and
actually acted like managers and spent time with the
workforce they might have a clue, actually
when your manager doesn't understand why we
have 2 clocks showing different times we really don't
have much of a chance do we.
Remember, what you reap is what you sow
If anyone is sabotaging the fleet is DC and
his bodgy outsourced maintenance
Well done Dave.
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Short Circuit, I just logged on and missed what you said.
Post it again but just word it in a way that protects you.
Change the names to protect the guilty (or innocent)
Make it a hypothetical story
Post it again but just word it in a way that protects you.
Change the names to protect the guilty (or innocent)
Make it a hypothetical story
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An AME's role during ALAEA industrial action
After reading the posts from chksatis and Short_Circuit about an AME's role in these times of ALAEA industrial action I thought I should post the contents of an AWU Member Update I received that was released 16 May 2008.
I think most people understand that although the AME's 100% support the LAME's we are not 'legally' allowed to participate in any of your action.
The text below was copied directly from the notice.
P.S. Good luck
I think most people understand that although the AME's 100% support the LAME's we are not 'legally' allowed to participate in any of your action.
The text below was copied directly from the notice.
The AWU is fully supportive of the ALAEA membership with respect to their claims for a new enterprise bargaining agreement to cover their future terms and conditions of employment with Qantas.
The ALAEA membership has recently voted to approve a range of lawful industrial action options against Qantas in pursuit of their collective claims. This action includes bans on overtime, and possibly strike action of up to 48 hours’ duration (depending on the actions of Qantas).
In the event that any of these measures are authorised or undertaken by the ALAEA, or its membership, there are some important things that AWU members must be aware of in terms of their legal rights and obligations.
These are –
1. You may be required to work a “reasonable amount of overtime”. In a general industrial sense, this means that you may be lawfully required to work up to an additional 2-4 hours per week, with appropriate penalty rates applied. This is a “common law” contractual requirement of all employees, and this legal principle applies to all Qantas employees. If you have any personal or family related reasons as to why you can’t undertake additional overtime, you should immediately raise this with your supervisor and seek the assistance of your AWU Branch Organiser as soon as possible.
2. You may be requested to perform work above, or in addition to, the work that you normally do within your pay scale or classification level. Provided that you are legally qualified, skilled, competent, trained and experienced to perform the work requested, you should comply with the request, if it is made by Qantas. If the work requested is above your pay scale or classification level, you should be paid at the higher rate.
3. For those AWU members that are engaged as LAME’s within Qantas Group operations, you are prevented by law from participating in any industrial action undertaken by members of the ALAEA. If you are uncertain of your rights with respect to this, or if you feel that you are being placed under pressure from anyone to participate in industrial action undertaken by the ALAEA or its members, please contact your AWU Branch Organiser immediately.
AWU members may enquire why they cannot participate in, or fully support, the industrial action that is being proposed by the ALAEA and its membership against Qantas. The Workplace Relations Act prohibits employees, and their unions, from engaging in industrial action that is not
lawful. This means that the AWU and its members are prevented from undertaking any form of industrial action (eg. bans, limitations on the work performed, strikes), unless we are currently negotiating an EBA with Qantas and have had the membership approve industrial action through a protected action ballot. Our EBA with Qantas does not expire until the end of December 2008, and therefore the AWU, and you as AWU members, are lawfully prevented from undertaking any form of industrial action in support of the ALAEA members.
With all of this in mind, we wish to impress upon AWU members the importance of standing by our ALAEA brothers and sisters, and we ask that AWU members not take any other steps or measures that will make it more difficult for the ALAEA and its members to achieve their industrial objectives.
If you have any further enquiries with respect to this issue, please contact
AWU National Industrial Organiser Scott McDine on (02) 8005 3333 or
by email at [email protected].
The ALAEA membership has recently voted to approve a range of lawful industrial action options against Qantas in pursuit of their collective claims. This action includes bans on overtime, and possibly strike action of up to 48 hours’ duration (depending on the actions of Qantas).
In the event that any of these measures are authorised or undertaken by the ALAEA, or its membership, there are some important things that AWU members must be aware of in terms of their legal rights and obligations.
These are –
1. You may be required to work a “reasonable amount of overtime”. In a general industrial sense, this means that you may be lawfully required to work up to an additional 2-4 hours per week, with appropriate penalty rates applied. This is a “common law” contractual requirement of all employees, and this legal principle applies to all Qantas employees. If you have any personal or family related reasons as to why you can’t undertake additional overtime, you should immediately raise this with your supervisor and seek the assistance of your AWU Branch Organiser as soon as possible.
2. You may be requested to perform work above, or in addition to, the work that you normally do within your pay scale or classification level. Provided that you are legally qualified, skilled, competent, trained and experienced to perform the work requested, you should comply with the request, if it is made by Qantas. If the work requested is above your pay scale or classification level, you should be paid at the higher rate.
3. For those AWU members that are engaged as LAME’s within Qantas Group operations, you are prevented by law from participating in any industrial action undertaken by members of the ALAEA. If you are uncertain of your rights with respect to this, or if you feel that you are being placed under pressure from anyone to participate in industrial action undertaken by the ALAEA or its members, please contact your AWU Branch Organiser immediately.
AWU members may enquire why they cannot participate in, or fully support, the industrial action that is being proposed by the ALAEA and its membership against Qantas. The Workplace Relations Act prohibits employees, and their unions, from engaging in industrial action that is not
lawful. This means that the AWU and its members are prevented from undertaking any form of industrial action (eg. bans, limitations on the work performed, strikes), unless we are currently negotiating an EBA with Qantas and have had the membership approve industrial action through a protected action ballot. Our EBA with Qantas does not expire until the end of December 2008, and therefore the AWU, and you as AWU members, are lawfully prevented from undertaking any form of industrial action in support of the ALAEA members.
With all of this in mind, we wish to impress upon AWU members the importance of standing by our ALAEA brothers and sisters, and we ask that AWU members not take any other steps or measures that will make it more difficult for the ALAEA and its members to achieve their industrial objectives.
If you have any further enquiries with respect to this issue, please contact
AWU National Industrial Organiser Scott McDine on (02) 8005 3333 or
by email at [email protected].
Moderators: Please watch for trolls making inflammatory accusations of illegal acts such as sabotage or threats against people.
Gentlemen, my guess is that Mr. Dixon is going to take this all the way in the most theatrical way possible. He craves attention, and he is going to get it from the public all the way to the Prime Ministers Office as he pretends to "fight the good fight" against his staff.
The only way you are going to win this one is with iron discipline and self control. Please make no threats to anyone.
If you allow yourself to be provoked you will lose, and there will be plenty of provocation, for example if there are any allegations of sabotage, which is both highly illegal let alone immoral, you will see security staff with guard dogs "protecting the company's assets".
You are up against a management that enjoys causing pain and misery, the more public the better, because it makes them feel important.
As for Qantas profits, in my opinion, you will not make the slightest dent in this years annual result, that's already locked in. Prolonged action may make a dent in the 2008/2009 result, but that will not be from burning extra jet fuel as Ragnar Benson suggests, it will come from reducing QF's market share, although there is a lower limit to that because QF has the lion's share of capacity into and out of Australia (something which it doesn't deserve any more).
So that's what's important and that's what they cannot ignore - reduction in market share. You might like to tell the travelling public that QF does not deserve their support any more because of how they treat their staff.
Gentlemen, my guess is that Mr. Dixon is going to take this all the way in the most theatrical way possible. He craves attention, and he is going to get it from the public all the way to the Prime Ministers Office as he pretends to "fight the good fight" against his staff.
The only way you are going to win this one is with iron discipline and self control. Please make no threats to anyone.
If you allow yourself to be provoked you will lose, and there will be plenty of provocation, for example if there are any allegations of sabotage, which is both highly illegal let alone immoral, you will see security staff with guard dogs "protecting the company's assets".
You are up against a management that enjoys causing pain and misery, the more public the better, because it makes them feel important.
As for Qantas profits, in my opinion, you will not make the slightest dent in this years annual result, that's already locked in. Prolonged action may make a dent in the 2008/2009 result, but that will not be from burning extra jet fuel as Ragnar Benson suggests, it will come from reducing QF's market share, although there is a lower limit to that because QF has the lion's share of capacity into and out of Australia (something which it doesn't deserve any more).
So that's what's important and that's what they cannot ignore - reduction in market share. You might like to tell the travelling public that QF does not deserve their support any more because of how they treat their staff.
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Sunfish,
I think the point that Ragnar Benson was trying to make is that everyday within the network the big Q throw away millions of dollars due to the absolute incompetency of the Management team. They really do not understand the operation. If Q were smart enough theres no need to have this argument as there are a multitudes of savings easily obtainable that would pay for any payrise. The saving of fuel is one that Ragnar has identified. They introduce a policy but they dont engage the staff or provide the resources to implement it.
It has been my experience that there is no accountabilty for the hundreds of millions wasted on Telstra IT/A330 floor beams/EQ etc etc by poor management decisions. This occurs because they dont engage the people doing the job and who understand whats required.
In the end for years the guys on the floor have done work arounds to make the system work. As an example I have seven plus passwords and have to log into each computer application separately just to change a component. This is jurassic park staff that our management team throw at us and they tell us you cant have a payrise without a productivity increase.
From on the floor looking up you see that it far easier for the management to quible with the staff over 2% and neck poor old jo avaerage rather than they themselves being held accountable for any negligance. If only the shareholders had the smokescreen of the "Australian Airline" removed. In my experience theres not too many aussie values left in my work place displayed by management.
Management dont want our input. They have a complete arrogance when it comes to thier employees and the shareholders.
But then again isnt GD the only person that works for Q??
I think the point that Ragnar Benson was trying to make is that everyday within the network the big Q throw away millions of dollars due to the absolute incompetency of the Management team. They really do not understand the operation. If Q were smart enough theres no need to have this argument as there are a multitudes of savings easily obtainable that would pay for any payrise. The saving of fuel is one that Ragnar has identified. They introduce a policy but they dont engage the staff or provide the resources to implement it.
It has been my experience that there is no accountabilty for the hundreds of millions wasted on Telstra IT/A330 floor beams/EQ etc etc by poor management decisions. This occurs because they dont engage the people doing the job and who understand whats required.
In the end for years the guys on the floor have done work arounds to make the system work. As an example I have seven plus passwords and have to log into each computer application separately just to change a component. This is jurassic park staff that our management team throw at us and they tell us you cant have a payrise without a productivity increase.
From on the floor looking up you see that it far easier for the management to quible with the staff over 2% and neck poor old jo avaerage rather than they themselves being held accountable for any negligance. If only the shareholders had the smokescreen of the "Australian Airline" removed. In my experience theres not too many aussie values left in my work place displayed by management.
Management dont want our input. They have a complete arrogance when it comes to thier employees and the shareholders.
But then again isnt GD the only person that works for Q??
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Sunfish to suggest sabotage you don't understand the lame culture. I have not heard nor will I ever hear of a Lame willfully sabotaging an aircraft. We are there as representives of Casa to ensure that the Flying public is protected against these companies trying to cut corners to save $$$$.
Most of us are us trying to come to terms with the extra delays now as it has always been in our blood to get the aircraft out on time even it means forgoing our lunch or smoko breaks. However Mr 'Dick"son has knifed us so many times now our goodwill blood has run out of our bodies.
To our Fed Exec.Well done not cancellling our feedback meetings. The cat and mouse with 'Dick'son had to come to an end. He would have only turned up at the meeting and said get
anyway. as more union EBA's come to an end maybe he will start to listen, but then again he lives in a bubble. STAND UNITED. We have entered the next phase.
Most of us are us trying to come to terms with the extra delays now as it has always been in our blood to get the aircraft out on time even it means forgoing our lunch or smoko breaks. However Mr 'Dick"son has knifed us so many times now our goodwill blood has run out of our bodies.
To our Fed Exec.Well done not cancellling our feedback meetings. The cat and mouse with 'Dick'son had to come to an end. He would have only turned up at the meeting and said get
anyway. as more union EBA's come to an end maybe he will start to listen, but then again he lives in a bubble. STAND UNITED. We have entered the next phase.
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Please watch for trolls making inflammatory accusations of illegal acts such as sabotage or threats against people.
Without saying too much, someone has said to Dixon's direction that "LAMEs may be engaging in acts of sabotage".
Unfounded, lies coming from sh!t stiring managements mouth.
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