Merged: QANTAS/ALAEA EBA

[aveng]

What is the latest from the commission? Is PIA on?

[lame1]

I bet this news item had the qf eba team choking
check out the link
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...154&src=y7news

[LAMEA380]

lame 1

Thanks for the link, i interpreted SP, (in the middle of EBA negotiation) saying that QF is not spending enough on ALAEA Members wages therefore things are not getting fixed, am sure thats how the general public will interpret things.

I am not sure why you would link LAME wages with work quality, this certainly opens the door to offshoring maintenance work, but i could be wrong.

[wingers]

To Fed Sec

I also would like to know what is the present situation , what happened at the commission. There are all sorts of rumours going on that it was rejected, that the submission was flawed, please advise. If this is correct this is very worrying, you advised earlier that you have a high powered team on this , what is the situation?

What exactly happened in the comission and where do things stand.

[Sunfish]

Hmmmm, the trolls are out early this morning. I thought the Channel 7 report was about as good as you can get in communicating a difficult to grasp issue to the public, shame about the content though.

The Qantas safety record can't last anyway. One of these days management will discover it has cut a little too deep - when the holes in the swiss cheese line up.

And when they do start lining up, probability theory tells us they will line up on multiple locations at multiple times, and it will take at least ten years of work to reverse the situation.

So keep cutting Qantas management, but you had better hope that you are safely retired when the damage you have done finally becomes apparent.

[Talkwrench]

Morning All

Morning all. 1. LAMEA380, given your silence on the issue of what your position is in all this I will have to assume that you are not even a permanent full time LAME employed by Qantas, therefore you are not the most qualified person to opine about the LAME EBA. 2. Soldier of Fortune, I respectfully disagree with your previous comment and I say the PIA vote will get up even if 2 day stoppages are a part of it. Surely you, being an alleged ‘Soldier of Fortune’ know about the plethora of employment opportunities outside of QF. The thing that secures our future (be it with QF or not) is that little red book that CASA gives us that says we can certify for maintenance. 3. Wingers, you should have a read of the AIRC transcript of proceedings re: the PIA ballot application. The ALAEA has sent it to all members (are you a member?). The transcript tells you exactly what went down in the commission, without any spin or personal interpretation applied to it.

[The Mr Fixit]

A380 Lame

"Thanks for the link, i interpreted SP, (in the middle of EBA negotiation) saying that QF is not spending enough on ALAEA Members wages therefore things are not getting fixed, am sure thats how the general public will interpret things."

You interpreted that out of "Qantas has not invested enough in their engineering business and this unfortunately may lead to tragic circumstances"

YOU ARE A TOOL and A LIAR

BEGONE MANAGEMENT TROLL OR SHOULD I SAY AP

Worst of all you are neither a A380 LAME or a Member of the ALAEA

PS have you forgotten your SOBAST password ?

[The Mr Fixit]

Wingers whilst I do not agree with your sentiment at least your enquires have been genuine in your attempt to understand the situation.
Do not let negative comment about you posts stop you from asking questions, I've spoken personally to several of the exec when they passed through for the EBA roadshows and they all sing from the same sheet "We are here for the members and we are always willing to discuss our motives and methods with our members"

For the record I haven't always agreed with their strategy but there is no doubting their sincerity and conviction

United We Stand

[lordofthewings]

Plenty of jobs out there, but most will have to move o/s. And how many of you really want to do that...The other thing is move into GA or the regionals, but funny enough they wont have you cos you dont have the quals..
What to do!!!!

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

To Fed Sec
I also would like to know what is the present situation , what happened at the commission. There are all sorts of rumours going on that it was rejected, that the submission was flawed, please advise. If this is correct this is very worrying, you advised earlier that you have a high powered team on this , what is the situation?

What exactly happened in the comission and where do things stand.

Always happy to answer reasonable questions. Not prepared to be baited into debate about rumours. The full transcript from the AIRC hearing on Friday has been emailed to all ALAEA members. If you are one, you will be able to read it and draw your own conclusions.

[blubak]

is the meeting between assoc and qf still on for tomorrow?.has there been any progress or dialogue-poitive or negative? transcript of airc hearing was very interesting,seems like qf always have trouble understanding plain english!!

[Bolty McBolt]

Plenty of jobs out there, but most will have to move o/s. And how many of you really want to do that...The other thing is move into GA or the regionals, but funny enough they wont have you cos you dont have the quals..
What to do!!!!

While this is a good point its not really pertinent to us.
GA is good gig but you need to be experienced to be accurate and quick to demand decent remuneration as costly mistakes in troubleshooting will not be tolerated by GA MRO or operators/owners but if you are willing to forgo city life and go regional there is work for those whom are willing to start over.

To move O/S
Yes there are still plenty of Jobs in ME Asia (and perhaps NZ) as they cannot fill the positions vacant for LAE/LAME but you have to leave home and that is a big step especially when you have a family in tow....

So where does it leave us the QF LAME if he/she wants to stay in the game...

I believe we are in the same position now as we have always been.
QF TA and TN once trained their own engineers and there was very little fence jumping. Supply and demand was mostly met through each airlines apprentice scheme. Now there is only QF and Jet* whom are training engineers. QF can't fill positions vacant for trainee/apprenticeships and Jet* have a reasonable number in Newcastle but fortunately for us it takes about10 years to bring a LAME up to speed.
So if QF gets rid of us where will it get its replacements from?

QF is stuck with us and we are stuck with them. Previous management understood this status quo so the issue was never pursued. MH and his bunch of yes men with no operational experience have failed to distinguish between a fitter on the monorail and a LAME
The Airline industry in OZ has been expanding at an exponential rate which may slow now with the financial markets adjusting but lets look at how things stand.

Virgin are building its domestic fleet with now 2 types on the books and expanding into an international fleet of 777s this will require LAMES and are advertising for domestic ops.

Jet* are also expanding and want to self handle/maintain the 787 this will require more LAMES.. Where from?

Tiger A320 ..JHAS have been advertising constantly so there can’t be to many people left whom want to work for JHAS and their T & Cs. Romulus may disagree but rumour has it, all is not so rosy. Tiger are looking to expand !! plus rumour of A330 joining their fleet maybe an international ops. Time will tell

Lion Air is planning to join the ranks of commercial jets in OZ which will require even more staff plus the regionals like Qantas link with expanding fleets.

And lets not forget QANTAS They are currently Boeing largest order holder with huge numbers of 737 NG and 787 on order while planning to use the B744 til 2020 + which will keep the current numbers of LAMEs with their hands full for years to come.
QF have set up a maintenance program for the A380 from the glossy brochure supplied by Airbus and are using the absolute minimum people to maintain them. From what I have seen the A380 at SQ uses so much manpower we are in for a shock. Perhaps Sobast may get a reaming for the QF setup when supply chain finally concedes that the big bus requires more manpower than allocated.. Somebody will be held accountable, perhaps an operations manager ??

SOF

a written commitment from mangament to keep the remaining HM HERE in AUS

Did you fail to see the press release from GD about joint HM in KL. And this was just days after GD meeting with SP where he gave his assurance to the opposite. WTF !

Soldier of fortune thinks QF can source LAMEs from countries like

india
bangladesh
Philippines
china-hongkong
new zealand
south africa

etc etc
+ the scabs

India – Has its own problems with LAME shortages with a massive expansion of its airline industry with those whom defect seem to prefer the Gulf states due to the rates of pay.

Bangladesh :- Obviously a country which sports a well known and internationally respected “worlds best practice” aviation industry ??

Philippines: ? ? I don't know
China-Hong Kong :- perhaps but many of the guys recruited years ago from Hong Kong have since returned home
New Zealand: - Trying to re-employ the guys they laid off
South Africa :- Maybe but I am sure many of the guys whom were recruited years ago have told their SAA mates about the trials and tribulations of joining QF, the morale etc. I would guarantee most would not paint a pretty picture of life in QF.
( This is another of MH and cronies failings, They don’t understand how small the industry is and with the demise of Ansett there is probable only 2 or 3 degrees of separation between all LAME in OZ perhaps the world)

The Scabs Well Scabs are scabs, Short term fix for a long term problem..

SOF if you had said AME i would have agreed..

Lets stick to what we know, follow the lead of our union executive ignore the disinformation from MH and DC and the trolls on this site,
We will get the result we want. It has taken time and may take more with some pain but it is time to lay the foundations for our future, future negotiations and future LAMEs

Bolty

PS If i have left anyone out whom is training Aircraft engineers apprentice or LAMEs will gladly be corrected. Virgin? etc

[YOSHI]

Well said, Bolty.

I wonder how many LAMEs there are in Aus?

I seem to remember that recently CASA were trying to get lapsed LAMEs to contact them in an attempt to boost the numbers in Aus, seems there are not enough LAMEs about!

Another interesting, and worrying, statistic is the average age of a LAME here seems to be rising by one year, every year!

This being the case, where will the Aus airlines get it's work force from in the future?

As Bolty said,' I am sure many of the guys whom were recruited years ago have told their SAA mates about the trials and tribulations of joining QF, the morale etc. I would guarantee most would not paint a pretty picture of life in QF.'

This statment could be applied accross the world!

As for the transcript from the AIRC Hearing, it is obvious that QF are still holding fast on their bluff, but even the Commissioner can see through it.

QF will get what they deserve, and so will we if we stand together........

To the Exec. Well done, keep up the good work.

[JaseAVV]

I must disagree with you on this point though:

"GA is good gig"

I spent 2 years in GA in between working on heavies and it was the most miserable, stressful and thankless 2 years of my life.

The pay is terrible (I was earning more as a 4th year apprentice on heavies). Overtime with 5 mins notice and not optional. All (including experienced LAMEs) spoken to very poorly on a daily basis.

Most young AME/LAMEs I met who worked in GA were working on ways to get out, some on their doctors advice!

I'll stack shelves at K-mart before I return to General Aviation.

[Johnny V]

You all will be crying soon, we've pulled your agreement and you will now all get less than the previous offer.

Time to Pay is it Mr Fixit, yes time for you to pay for your stupidity you LAMES are weak as water and you will now accept anything we offer no one will vote for PIA now.

A fool and his money is soon parted, losers

[JETTRONIC]

Jonny V you don't know

Little birdie told me today that _______ will never go above 3%. They aint no way there going to open the floodgates. Yet there seems to be a small flicker of light. Looks like there going to come to the table with a big chunk of the good stuff. There afraid, they got a wiff of something in the wind today and there starting to them selves.

We stand united brother but I will kick you hard if you fall out of line.

[blubak]

Seems like the threats have started again!
Even if we do get less hopefully the offer will be fair dinkum this time not like the last 1 saying such things as AN INCREASE IN SUPER.Pity the words FOR SOME werent put there.
Maybe the next letter put out should be checked for accuracy before being distributed-NO POINT IN TRYING TO HIDE VITAL INFORMATION!
Even though a lot of LAMES are stupid(apparently) there is always at least 1 on the ball and thats all thats needed to find the flaws.

[wingers]

This looks like its going to degenerate into a complete mess. Am fed up and just want this sorted, i am not alone and i impore the membership and Fed Sec to tread carefully, it is easy to go to war, but i think that is exactly what the company wants, that is the worry, so ask yourselves why?

You can be sure that they have the staying power resolve and will not create a precedent.

Good luck to all, we are going to need it.

[Sunfish]

Wingers selling fear.

Johnny V waiting for someone to lose their temper and threaten something illegal.

Soldier of fortune trying to create bad feeling with the Exec.

I think QF must be getting desperate, come on boys, get some new trolls.

[wingers]

Sunfish,

You dont have a stake in this? or do you? you could be the real troll, you are calling for PIA, easy to do from the sidelines.

My concerns are real, you are the one beating the drums of war yet you you have nothing to gain or lose, to me that is a the definition of a troll.