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The IREX you do as part of the traineeship, is NOT the CASA version. It is an inhouse exam designed to test your knowledge and practical application of IREX theory. Their test is roughly 20 questions, 80% pass, closed book.
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Errr IREX
Seems to be a problem trying to do IREX if you already hold a CIR. I've just been to the ASL website to book it and it denies my request citing "CASA has declined request to sit exam due to the fact that you already hold a CIR" (or something to that effect). Hmmmm, what now? QFL's flight training seems to have the phone off the hook or they're fielding lots of calls. We shall see....
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How can you hold a CIR without having done the IREX?If you have done both and hold a CIR and you are refering to the traineeship IREX then read again. "The IREX you do as part of the traineeship, is NOT the CASA version. It is an inhouse exam designed to test your knowledge and practical application of IREX theory. Their test is roughly 20 questions, 80% pass, closed book."
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How can you hold a CIR without having done the IREX?
Qantas Link have requested to all Kiwi pilots who have been given a conditional offer that as well as completing the other conditions (ie. ATPL subjects) that we also sit the Casa/ASL IREX exam, even if we have managed to convert our NZ CIR to and Autralian one
.Why I ask...
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Yep it sure is frustrating, already having the letter of conditional entry and completing the requirements, now this too.
Also those that have done NZ ATPLs have to do Aus ATPL Law aswell as the IREX!
Wonder if they will fly us to Oz to do it
Also those that have done NZ ATPLs have to do Aus ATPL Law aswell as the IREX!
Wonder if they will fly us to Oz to do it
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We aint bitchin
if thats the correct vernacular. What you all are failing to see, is that it may be ILLEGAL for us to do the IREX. I have tried to book the IREX, without the "bitchin" and cannot. I am denied access to the exam by CASA because I already have a CIR.
What some people (including the ever literary desmotronic) may not realise, is that the TTMRA states that licences and ratings MUST be recognised by both sides... so if MR desmotronic wishes to get a job in NZ, then he cannot be denied the equivalent licence.
I have no problem with doing the IREX. I have done most of my commercial flying in Australia and have completed the AUS atpl's in met, law and human factors with the rest to follow shortly. It would merely be an extension of the work I'm already doing.
What I am trying to say is, is that CASA may not be allowed to let us sit the exam in question if you have already coverted the NZ IR over to the AUS Licence because it conflicts with the very core intention of the TTRMA agreement.
I am therefore thinking, that QFL may be only able to recommend prior study of the IREX syllabus to facilitate their training program.
If you already have the Aus CIR, login to ASL and try to book the exam, you will see what i mean - denied dude.
What some people (including the ever literary desmotronic) may not realise, is that the TTMRA states that licences and ratings MUST be recognised by both sides... so if MR desmotronic wishes to get a job in NZ, then he cannot be denied the equivalent licence.
I have no problem with doing the IREX. I have done most of my commercial flying in Australia and have completed the AUS atpl's in met, law and human factors with the rest to follow shortly. It would merely be an extension of the work I'm already doing.
What I am trying to say is, is that CASA may not be allowed to let us sit the exam in question if you have already coverted the NZ IR over to the AUS Licence because it conflicts with the very core intention of the TTRMA agreement.
I am therefore thinking, that QFL may be only able to recommend prior study of the IREX syllabus to facilitate their training program.
If you already have the Aus CIR, login to ASL and try to book the exam, you will see what i mean - denied dude.
Just a sidenote, but I was under the impression that, if you so desired, you could resit a CPL exam if you wanted a better mark. Just noone does it, cause if you fail you lose the licence.
Would suggest speaking to CASA, and if no luck there speak to QLink again.
Would suggest speaking to CASA, and if no luck there speak to QLink again.
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Psychometric Testing
Just noticed this on qantaslink's recruiting website;
Stage Two: One day of assessment involving a Psychometric Assessment. The assessment is computer based and is conducted in a dedicated testing room by Qantas Airways on QantasLink's behalf. A non-refundable fee of A$195 is charged by Qantas for the Stage 2 assessment. Progression to Stage 3 is determined by the competitiveness of an application following completion of Stage 2.
Does anyone know how long this has been in place? Are they not sending out testing to be done online any more?
Stage Two: One day of assessment involving a Psychometric Assessment. The assessment is computer based and is conducted in a dedicated testing room by Qantas Airways on QantasLink's behalf. A non-refundable fee of A$195 is charged by Qantas for the Stage 2 assessment. Progression to Stage 3 is determined by the competitiveness of an application following completion of Stage 2.
Does anyone know how long this has been in place? Are they not sending out testing to be done online any more?
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Thanks!
Thanks desmo, I'll take that as a compliment. PS I have the KIWI ATPLS which expired a long time ago.
Anyway, here's a hypothetical. If someone has used the TTMRA and gained an equivalent licence (Aus or NZ) and is asked to do the IR law exam of that county. From what I read earlier, if they fail, they could lose their rating. Where does that leave the TTMRA - an internationally negotiated document? If Aus or NZ were cancelling peoples licences, then the TTMRA is pretty much null and void.
It all hinges on the fact that licences and ratings (that exist in both countries) MUST be recognised. And I would presume that carriers on either side of the Tasman would have to play ball.
Anyway, here's a hypothetical. If someone has used the TTMRA and gained an equivalent licence (Aus or NZ) and is asked to do the IR law exam of that county. From what I read earlier, if they fail, they could lose their rating. Where does that leave the TTMRA - an internationally negotiated document? If Aus or NZ were cancelling peoples licences, then the TTMRA is pretty much null and void.
It all hinges on the fact that licences and ratings (that exist in both countries) MUST be recognised. And I would presume that carriers on either side of the Tasman would have to play ball.
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I can see their reasoning behind wanting to sit the IREX, and ATPL law, because under the TTMRA, we can fly in aussie without even understanding the differences in rules and procedures. There are things we can do here in NZ, that you can't do in Aus, I think from one a night visual arrival is something we are legally allowed to do here, but (stretching my memory) is something you can't do over there.
I converted my licence when I was in Aus on holiday 6 years ago, and did some flying out of Parafield with an instructor just to get myself schooled up on the differences in procedures and rules. But never flown in Aus since. So I don't think sitting the IREX or ATPL law too big of a deal - they could ask you to pay for yourself to redo you IFR currency flight test in Australia as well as NZ before you enter the programme to make sure you're up to speed with things in Aus.
My one question is for the NZ cadets, are Qantaslink going to pay for us to do the DGA endorsement, it is a minimum requirement for them, but we don't have DGA procedures anywhere in NZ, and is not an endorsement we can have on our MEIR.. Not that I'm worried if I am successful, I'll still have to fly to Aus, to get my ME-CIR current anyway, because keeping your NZ licence current, doesn't mean your Aus one is either!
But to those NZers who have got in, well done - do what they ask, because the other option is to stay at home and beg Eagle for a job - no cadetships or opportunities like that here.
I converted my licence when I was in Aus on holiday 6 years ago, and did some flying out of Parafield with an instructor just to get myself schooled up on the differences in procedures and rules. But never flown in Aus since. So I don't think sitting the IREX or ATPL law too big of a deal - they could ask you to pay for yourself to redo you IFR currency flight test in Australia as well as NZ before you enter the programme to make sure you're up to speed with things in Aus.
My one question is for the NZ cadets, are Qantaslink going to pay for us to do the DGA endorsement, it is a minimum requirement for them, but we don't have DGA procedures anywhere in NZ, and is not an endorsement we can have on our MEIR.. Not that I'm worried if I am successful, I'll still have to fly to Aus, to get my ME-CIR current anyway, because keeping your NZ licence current, doesn't mean your Aus one is either!
But to those NZers who have got in, well done - do what they ask, because the other option is to stay at home and beg Eagle for a job - no cadetships or opportunities like that here.
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The differences
I too understand the reasoning behind the request. I would probably want it too if I were them. Most of my serious
commercial flying was done in Aus and there are some pretty subtle (but important) differences between the two. Unfortunately it may not be legal to ask that of the Kiwis or any other pilots from a country with a similar agreemant. It may have to be done in house - which they already do. We shall have to wait and see I guess.
Either way, keep studying. The harder you work, the luckier you get.
commercial flying was done in Aus and there are some pretty subtle (but important) differences between the two. Unfortunately it may not be legal to ask that of the Kiwis or any other pilots from a country with a similar agreemant. It may have to be done in house - which they already do. We shall have to wait and see I guess.Either way, keep studying. The harder you work, the luckier you get.
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Maybe ppl were getting their mates to come around an help them get through it......cheating themselves if they did that!
A shame if we have to now spend the hard earned cash on a trip to Syd for the test
It also might mean those stupid cubes are back in
Fingers crossed its still online!
Cheers,
PA
Maybe ppl were getting their mates to come around an help them get through it......cheating themselves if they did that!
A shame if we have to now spend the hard earned cash on a trip to Syd for the test
It also might mean those stupid cubes are back in Fingers crossed its still online!
Cheers,
PA