Forced Landing - Sorrento Vic. (Merged)
Obvious that you blokes and ladies don't spend the time reading the POH , or know the aircraft systems, or getting the instructor to demonstrate the feature on a check-ride.
Gees how the heck are you going to get on when you move up to fly the big jets.
Well done to the pilot, any time you can walk way is a good landing.
Gees how the heck are you going to get on when you move up to fly the big jets.
Well done to the pilot, any time you can walk way is a good landing.
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Ah PM, i think you just fell into the same hole as the journos. ''Clearly one of the big Pipers'' It was a Warrior, 30sec of 'basic fact checking' would have told you that.
Fair enough the Journo's a muppet, but it just shows you how easy it is to make that sort of mistake.
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Fair enough the Journo's a muppet, but it just shows you how easy it is to make that sort of mistake.
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yes, fair enough I'll extract my foot from my mouth now, poor choice of wording. In my defence, all footage I saw prior to about 20 minutes ago had just the general scene and nothing that could have helped identify the model specifically such as a rego.Obviously a Piper though and I went on a very quick glimpse of the number of windows. My point still stands though, 30 seconds of basic questions would have at least established the brand.
Besides, a Warrior is bigger than say a Cherokee 140 !
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In an effort to assist I posted the following on the Sky News feedback.
I was fascinated by a report on your news last night describing a forced landing by a single engined aircraft at Sorrento, Victoria.
The report indicated that there were four people on board the Cessna, it is in fact a Piper, but lets not worry about the detail
My attention was drawn the bit where your reporter described how the pilot could jettison the wings to avoid a fuel fire.
As a licensed pilot I thought that you might be interested in how this is done.
The best method is to fly very low between two trees spaced at a smaller interval than the wing span. That does it every time
I was fascinated by a report on your news last night describing a forced landing by a single engined aircraft at Sorrento, Victoria.
The report indicated that there were four people on board the Cessna, it is in fact a Piper, but lets not worry about the detail
My attention was drawn the bit where your reporter described how the pilot could jettison the wings to avoid a fuel fire.
As a licensed pilot I thought that you might be interested in how this is done.
The best method is to fly very low between two trees spaced at a smaller interval than the wing span. That does it every time
When you live....
It's funny how the journalist in question has simply repeated the idiotic statements of the local constabulary (see other thread in other D&G forum) yet whenever they are pressured regarding poor reporting and mistakes, journalists are adamant that they check their facts with at least 2 independent sources or other forms of cooroborration.
Time for an email to mediawatch methinks!
UTR
Time for an email to mediawatch methinks!
UTR
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Thought the same thing, at first, UTR.
But the article says, its a Quote from to SC. Which is apparently not what the SC actualy said, but paraphrasing by the jurnos concerned.
A few years ago I read about an aviation organisation in Aust, which had as one of its doctrines to "Educate and inform the media" to improve aviation reporting.
Unfortunatly education and information, just does not appear to be interesting to the media, nor does it improve ratings or sell papers.
You do have a choise though, continue to beat your (our) heads against the wall, or just have a laugh.
HO HUM
But the article says, its a Quote from to SC. Which is apparently not what the SC actualy said, but paraphrasing by the jurnos concerned.
A few years ago I read about an aviation organisation in Aust, which had as one of its doctrines to "Educate and inform the media" to improve aviation reporting.
Unfortunatly education and information, just does not appear to be interesting to the media, nor does it improve ratings or sell papers.
You do have a choise though, continue to beat your (our) heads against the wall, or just have a laugh.
HO HUM
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No worries PM mate. I read both post about 10 times just to make sure i didn't fall in the same hole!!!
So what's a Navajo then? Widebody?
And a Cheyenne? Jumbo Piper?......few guys down Moorabbin probably dropping those lines for the chicky babes as i type!!!
So what's a Navajo then? Widebody?
And a Cheyenne? Jumbo Piper?......few guys down Moorabbin probably dropping those lines for the chicky babes as i type!!!
Dodgy b@stards!
Hmmm... Since starting this thread it appears the article has been altered and credited to a new journo! The "Pprune Effect" perhaps?!?
There certainly wasn't any reference to the SC's quote of "The plane dropped its wings voluntarily" on the original article.
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It must be something particular to female Constables, apologies to those who don't indulge in this type of behaviour.
A C441 owned by a certain Perth operator got a little high and fast on approach into Koolyanobbing a couple of years ago and crashed through the fence at the other end of the strip.
The female Constable from the Southern Cross Police Station made the comment, through the local newspaper, that it was a timely reminder for pilots to conduct thorough pre-flight inspections. WTF!
A C441 owned by a certain Perth operator got a little high and fast on approach into Koolyanobbing a couple of years ago and crashed through the fence at the other end of the strip.
The female Constable from the Southern Cross Police Station made the comment, through the local newspaper, that it was a timely reminder for pilots to conduct thorough pre-flight inspections. WTF!
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My goodness,
You guys are a bunch of self opinionated teenage "know alls". (to be polite)
What a waste of space this thread has been; it started out great and deteriated into a bunch of drivle. All this huffing and puffing about whether it is a Piper or Cessna. (which the general public have no idea between the difference)
You can keep this thread for your self egos. "chicky babes" Get a life!!!
Which are HUGE.
This thread went from a jurno reporting what was given to them; to a KKK on jurnos.
How can the pilot industry claim credibility when it carries on like a bunch school children?????
You guys are a bunch of self opinionated teenage "know alls". (to be polite)
What a waste of space this thread has been; it started out great and deteriated into a bunch of drivle. All this huffing and puffing about whether it is a Piper or Cessna. (which the general public have no idea between the difference)
You can keep this thread for your self egos. "chicky babes" Get a life!!!
Which are HUGE.
This thread went from a jurno reporting what was given to them; to a KKK on jurnos.
How can the pilot industry claim credibility when it carries on like a bunch school children?????
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Interesting thoughts above. Forced landing briefings with students of the past always discussed the best method of landing in trees, which was to put the passenger module between the trees and let the wings take the impact, thus reducing the forward speed and protecting the occupants. Over the years there has been some quite successful and survival forced landings into trees.
Reading some of the above comments would indicate that perhaps this is not discussed or briefed today.
Bear also in mind that the pilot would have been in shock and in discussion with Constable Plod may have mentioned his good fortune in not being burnt alive, which the press have seized as their head line of the day.
Reading some of the above comments would indicate that perhaps this is not discussed or briefed today.
Bear also in mind that the pilot would have been in shock and in discussion with Constable Plod may have mentioned his good fortune in not being burnt alive, which the press have seized as their head line of the day.
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OK, so she might have phrased the comment better, but I can't understand the outrage some are expressing here. Back in the days when I flew light aircraft, if unlucky enough to be involved in a forced landing with a less than ideal field to put the aircraft down in, I was taught to do exactly what this guy did if collision with an obstacle was unavoidable - aim between two trees or use the most appropriate obstacle available to use the wings to dissipate as much energy as possible before the fueslage - and me and my passengers! - came into contact with anything other than flat ground.
Judging by some of the comments posted here, can I assume this technique is no longer taught in flying schools?
...or perhaps on MS Flight Simulator?
Judging by some of the comments posted here, can I assume this technique is no longer taught in flying schools?
...or perhaps on MS Flight Simulator?
hey guys, i found out today that my a good mate of mine was actually PIC of this flight yesterday. Basically, its as most news feeds reported. Lost the engine, attempted to restart to no avail, so started looking for a place to put it down. The golf course looked within reach for a short time, but he realised that they wouldn't make that, hence why he went for the road. Close to the ground he got nabbed in the powerlines and trees and from then on he tells me it was pretty much a blur of leaves etc until they came to a stop.
Very well done on his behalf, to get the aircraft down in a populated area (without putting it into a house, as he mentioned to me) with all 4 occupants walking away. A credit to the training he received!
And for info, the "detachable wings" line came from the police officer who got a little excited while talking to the media. Typical. He found it quite humourous that media reported he had "voluntarily dropped the wings"...good outcome overall, and I'm thankful he was able to walk away unscathed
He'll be up again at midday tommorow he said 
Very well done on his behalf, to get the aircraft down in a populated area (without putting it into a house, as he mentioned to me) with all 4 occupants walking away. A credit to the training he received!
And for info, the "detachable wings" line came from the police officer who got a little excited while talking to the media. Typical. He found it quite humourous that media reported he had "voluntarily dropped the wings"...good outcome overall, and I'm thankful he was able to walk away unscathed
He'll be up again at midday tommorow he said
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How could they get it so wrong?
They should have known that the "wings fall off" switch is in the passenger compartment in the Cessna Cherokee PA-747, as seen in thus briefing card.
Well done the pilot for breifing his pax so they could operate this switch even when unconcious
Just a thought though, would our insurance premiums go down if the insurance companies realised that all those hours of labour charged to remove wings for an aircraft recovery actually takes only a few seconds?
I think we should be told.
Well done the pilot for breifing his pax so they could operate this switch even when unconcious
Just a thought though, would our insurance premiums go down if the insurance companies realised that all those hours of labour charged to remove wings for an aircraft recovery actually takes only a few seconds?
I think we should be told.