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Nards,
Have heard that there is no impact on cadet program and it is all go for 09'.
DE has not slowed, people are apparently still getting through the process and they are still putting S/Os on courses.
Apparently the notification process has slowed until they receive further information post the annoucments that were made recently (ie loss of jobs). This info has come from a mate that has a Letter of Intent on the DE side.
Good Luck
Have heard that there is no impact on cadet program and it is all go for 09'.
DE has not slowed, people are apparently still getting through the process and they are still putting S/Os on courses.
Apparently the notification process has slowed until they receive further information post the annoucments that were made recently (ie loss of jobs). This info has come from a mate that has a Letter of Intent on the DE side.
Good Luck
Sydenite I suggest your friend check his sources. Im sitting on a letter of intent and the last email that was sent out last week was that courses are still on hold for the next 4 weeks until the board makes a decision on future needs. This is on top of another two week delay prior.
Not to be a downer but the economy both locally and worldwide is slowing drastically so this will have to impact numbers required by the rat. Just as an example next FY they were due to expand at 8 percent but new plan is 0 growth, due to fleet retirements etc What that will do to upcoming courses is anyones guess!
By all means stay positive but remember it was only a couple of years ago that guys were in the hold pool for about TWO years.
Not to be a downer but the economy both locally and worldwide is slowing drastically so this will have to impact numbers required by the rat. Just as an example next FY they were due to expand at 8 percent but new plan is 0 growth, due to fleet retirements etc What that will do to upcoming courses is anyones guess!
By all means stay positive but remember it was only a couple of years ago that guys were in the hold pool for about TWO years.
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Best way to practice for the psych would be to go on SHL site and work off that. As for skills, it would help if you are already taking flight lessons, other than that - play Microsoft FS! 
Good luck mate
Good luck mate
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Re getting some flying experience before applying for the cadetship...
When a DE applicant fronts up with 1500hrs earnt flying lousy aeroplanes, on lousy pay, in a lousy part of the country you know they have the motivation, determination and drive to make a career out of flying aeroplanes.
The hard thing with cadets is working out who is going to stick with it, and who isn't. If you walk into an interview and tell them how much you want to get the cadetship and be a pilot because you love flying so much and have 0 or 2 or 5 hours at the age of 18-20 its not going to look great. If you really love avaition so much then why so little flying? The best applicants would walk in having got a job at maccas or kmart at 16 to earn enough money to have a lesson every few weeks. They'd have 20 or 30 hours, maybe even a GFPT. This would prove they've done some flying, found out what its all about, and really fallen in love with it. 20 hours flying is neither here nor there for a DE applicant, but it can make a world of difference to a cadet!
When a DE applicant fronts up with 1500hrs earnt flying lousy aeroplanes, on lousy pay, in a lousy part of the country you know they have the motivation, determination and drive to make a career out of flying aeroplanes.
The hard thing with cadets is working out who is going to stick with it, and who isn't. If you walk into an interview and tell them how much you want to get the cadetship and be a pilot because you love flying so much and have 0 or 2 or 5 hours at the age of 18-20 its not going to look great. If you really love avaition so much then why so little flying? The best applicants would walk in having got a job at maccas or kmart at 16 to earn enough money to have a lesson every few weeks. They'd have 20 or 30 hours, maybe even a GFPT. This would prove they've done some flying, found out what its all about, and really fallen in love with it. 20 hours flying is neither here nor there for a DE applicant, but it can make a world of difference to a cadet!
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Re slowing down of recruitment...
Clearly DE recruitment has slowed somewhat (several people on here with letters of intent that have been delayed).
However as the lead time from a cadet starting course, to becoming available to QF is a minimum of 3.5 yrs, or a maximum of 5 yrs (associate or bachelors degree) there will be no reduction in numbers as there has been no change in QF's longterm outlook (380/787 orders are still the same). Additionally as cadets cost QF nothing (they pay their own training) and there is no guarentee of a job at the end (if there is a massive downturn QF does not have to employ the cadets) they would be stupid to reduce numbers.
Clearly DE recruitment has slowed somewhat (several people on here with letters of intent that have been delayed).
However as the lead time from a cadet starting course, to becoming available to QF is a minimum of 3.5 yrs, or a maximum of 5 yrs (associate or bachelors degree) there will be no reduction in numbers as there has been no change in QF's longterm outlook (380/787 orders are still the same). Additionally as cadets cost QF nothing (they pay their own training) and there is no guarentee of a job at the end (if there is a massive downturn QF does not have to employ the cadets) they would be stupid to reduce numbers.
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Hi cudza101 21391401 airjordan NADSY & everyone, I'm new to pprune.
I too applied for autumn 09 program and waited for 1 month before being invited for stage 2. Did you guys have a telephone interview with recruitment before sitting the stage 2 test?
Is it necessary to attend the preparation course (eg: Dr Steve Holding) or is it possible to self-study for the stage 2? I've been doing a lot of research on this website, but everyone seems to have different opinion on this subject. Could I ask anyone who has attended the selection process recently to steer me in the right direction?
I wish everyone good luck and hear the good news soon!
I too applied for autumn 09 program and waited for 1 month before being invited for stage 2. Did you guys have a telephone interview with recruitment before sitting the stage 2 test?
Is it necessary to attend the preparation course (eg: Dr Steve Holding) or is it possible to self-study for the stage 2? I've been doing a lot of research on this website, but everyone seems to have different opinion on this subject. Could I ask anyone who has attended the selection process recently to steer me in the right direction?
I wish everyone good luck and hear the good news soon!
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However as the lead time from a cadet starting course, to becoming available to QF is a minimum of 3.5 yrs, or a maximum of 5 yrs
Additionally as cadets cost QF nothing (they pay their own training) and there is no guarentee of a job at the end (if there is a massive downturn QF does not have to employ the cadets) they would be stupid to reduce numbers.
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B747ERNG It might be fair to say that only you yourself will know whether you need to do a preparation course. If you think that you're a bit weak on a particular area (comprehension for example) it might be worth paying the exorbitant cost of one of these courses.
There are various books which you can get - some of which are mentioned on these threads - and I think they provide good preparation at a greatly reduced cost. Get your hands on a couple of these and just remember that you're not expected (by far) to ace any of the tests... simply put, it's not possible.
Good luck!
There are various books which you can get - some of which are mentioned on these threads - and I think they provide good preparation at a greatly reduced cost. Get your hands on a couple of these and just remember that you're not expected (by far) to ace any of the tests... simply put, it's not possible.
Good luck!
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B747 and Mr. Hat,
I know people that have made it through (both as cadets and d/e) without anything more than a couple of books to use as practice.. I also know people who have done the preparation courses and thought that they meant a free ticket, but ended up being knocked out at stage 2 or 3.
Someone gave me a great piece of advice when I started preparing my application - and that was that I might be better off spending all that money (that I would have been spending on the prep courses) on a nice new suit and some study books - and even maybe take some time off work to hammer out some solid study.
But I do agree with cudza when he says that it depends on how you feel about the exams/interviews. From what I hear, those courses are fantastic in terms of interview preparation especially... Not too sure about how they go for exam/psych test practice.
Good luck with it.
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I know people that have made it through (both as cadets and d/e) without anything more than a couple of books to use as practice.. I also know people who have done the preparation courses and thought that they meant a free ticket, but ended up being knocked out at stage 2 or 3.
Someone gave me a great piece of advice when I started preparing my application - and that was that I might be better off spending all that money (that I would have been spending on the prep courses) on a nice new suit and some study books - and even maybe take some time off work to hammer out some solid study.
But I do agree with cudza when he says that it depends on how you feel about the exams/interviews. From what I hear, those courses are fantastic in terms of interview preparation especially... Not too sure about how they go for exam/psych test practice.
Good luck with it.
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I got the bad news on Friday and the email stated that I'm still eligible to apply for future cadet programs or direct entry. I'm not to fussed though, I enjoyed the experience..
Would it be worth while doing the Bachelors Degree at Swinburne or at UNSW instead ? I know most will chime in and say don't bother
Would it be worth while doing the Bachelors Degree at Swinburne or at UNSW instead ? I know most will chime in and say don't bother
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spending all that money (that I would have been spending on the prep courses) on a nice new suit and some study books - and even maybe take some time off work to hammer out some solid study.
would like to hear from those that did it. If i miss out at the sim interview well then thats that but the big one is the first stage for me.
(dont think they noticed the suit..)
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Additionally as cadets cost QF nothing (they pay their own training) and there is no guarentee of a job at the end (if there is a massive downturn QF does not have to employ the cadets) they would be stupid to reduce numbers.
Incorrect.
Incorrect.
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The QF cadet course is subsidised by the government where the cadets have access to $80,000 (FEE-HELP). If you look at the Associate degree for example, you'll find the course costs approximately $130K. Meaning the cadets have to fork out an additional $50K. This, combined with the fact that there is no guarantee of a job after completing the course means that there is no reason for QF to stop recruiting cadets if it costs them nothing.
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Carambar you are spot on in what you are saying however I would like to clarify one point for the benefit of those who perhaps do not understand the finance side of funding 'further education'
FEE HELP should not be considered a government subsidy that has to be 'topped up' by the budding airline pilot or his/her parents for the QF Cadet course. FEE Help is a loan, that just like a loan from a bank needs to be paid back eventually. Repayments of the FEE HELP 'loan' do not start until salary reaches a specified level. However until that time anduntil the 'loan is totally paid off the 'loan amount' or debt amount increase in value in line with the CPI (official cost of living index). So the longer it takes to earn a salary level that would dictate that the loan needs to be repaid the more the debt will grow in similar way to how interest accrues on a bank loan.
On top of the annual CPI increase on the outstanding FEE HELP 'loan' there is also a one off loan fee of 20% of the 'loan'
So for a potential cadet thinking it is going to cost $50,000 - think again, it is going to cost a lot more than that especially as the average person would want to apply for the full FEE HELP allowance of $81,600, in fact it is going to cost you the following:
FEE HELP 'loan - $81,600
Top Up to Uni Fee - $50,000
FEE HELP FEE - $16,320
Total - $147,920
.......and that does not include the CPI increase year on year at 2-3% of the outstanding amount (less one off fee and student contribution). So in year 1 that would increase the outstanding amount by about $2.5k (3% of the outstanding amount at the end of year 1). etc. etc. etc.
FEE HELP makes the training more accessible but there is a higher price to pay.
Sorry if I am teaching Granny to suck eggs but it is a big investment and everyone should be aware of the fact.
FEE HELP should not be considered a government subsidy that has to be 'topped up' by the budding airline pilot or his/her parents for the QF Cadet course. FEE Help is a loan, that just like a loan from a bank needs to be paid back eventually. Repayments of the FEE HELP 'loan' do not start until salary reaches a specified level. However until that time anduntil the 'loan is totally paid off the 'loan amount' or debt amount increase in value in line with the CPI (official cost of living index). So the longer it takes to earn a salary level that would dictate that the loan needs to be repaid the more the debt will grow in similar way to how interest accrues on a bank loan.
On top of the annual CPI increase on the outstanding FEE HELP 'loan' there is also a one off loan fee of 20% of the 'loan'
So for a potential cadet thinking it is going to cost $50,000 - think again, it is going to cost a lot more than that especially as the average person would want to apply for the full FEE HELP allowance of $81,600, in fact it is going to cost you the following:
FEE HELP 'loan - $81,600
Top Up to Uni Fee - $50,000
FEE HELP FEE - $16,320
Total - $147,920
.......and that does not include the CPI increase year on year at 2-3% of the outstanding amount (less one off fee and student contribution). So in year 1 that would increase the outstanding amount by about $2.5k (3% of the outstanding amount at the end of year 1). etc. etc. etc.
FEE HELP makes the training more accessible but there is a higher price to pay.
Sorry if I am teaching Granny to suck eggs but it is a big investment and everyone should be aware of the fact.
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Yikes!!! Biggles.
No wonder people have stopped learning to fly.
Mind you, the more traditional path with the associated sacrifices and uncertainties will cost less. But are Gen 'Y' interested in that? I think therein may lie part of the (supply) problem.
Operators (other than QF maybe) take note.
No wonder people have stopped learning to fly.
Mind you, the more traditional path with the associated sacrifices and uncertainties will cost less. But are Gen 'Y' interested in that? I think therein may lie part of the (supply) problem.
Operators (other than QF maybe) take note.
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Cadetship doesn't gaurantee a job at the end, as HPSOV said. Done on a case-by-case basis, and there is a difference between being a 'Cadet Graduate' and one who actually gets employed eventually. Of those who have been offered employment, however, only 2 that I know of have declined.