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I hope the current "King Pins" of the RAAF have a better understanding of what the role of their crews are and what the crew requirements are to operate their aircraft. I recall around 1980 when a lot of Flight Engineers were leaving the RAAF a high ranking Officer stated, "Let them leave, we will operate the aircraft without them" when told a particular Squadron looked like not being able to meet their operational tasking requirements if they could not stem the tide of F/E's going to civilian operators. I also remember one CAF labeling those pilots leaving as "most being malcontents with little prospect of promotion", or very similar comment when asked if he was concerned at the exodus of the time. That was mid to late 1980's. Many of those "malcontents" had very successful civilian careers.
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Emirates are telling new recruits and potential applicants that they are hoping to open a base in Australia. Whether or not they can pull it off is another question but they do need to do something drastic to stem the exodus and prepare for their huge aircraft orders.
That might cause a raaf exodus.
That might cause a raaf exodus.
Anyone joining Emirates directly onto a base would need a food taster when in DXB. I would suggest bases would be awarded in seniority order. Also, tomorrow is April 1st.
I was one of Evans' 'malcontents'; I only left because of the looming desk job. As it happened, I did well after leaving the RAAF, and am still flying at nearly 60.
I was one of Evans' 'malcontents'; I only left because of the looming desk job. As it happened, I did well after leaving the RAAF, and am still flying at nearly 60.
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You are spot-on AOTW. The article was in Australian Aviation and I responded to it, something which I know was appreciated by some at the time. The same individual sometime later sought a political seat and decried the loss of crews and the lack of anything being done to arrest the exodus.
I hope the current "King Pins" of the RAAF have a better understanding of what the role of their crews are and what the crew requirements are to operate their aircraft. I recall around 1980 when a lot of Flight Engineers were leaving the RAAF a high ranking Officer stated, "Let them leave, we will operate the aircraft without them" when told a particular Squadron looked like not being able to meet their operational tasking requirements if they could not stem the tide of F/E's going to civilian operators. I also remember one CAF labeling those pilots leaving as "most being malcontents with little prospect of promotion", or very similar comment when asked if he was concerned at the exodus of the time. That was mid to late 1980's. Many of those "malcontents" had very successful civilian careers.
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The more things change the more they stay the same
I have been out of the RAAF since early 1981 Joker, but I think you are more than likely correct.
I was a troop in the RAAF during Air Marshal S. Evans' time as CAS Apr 82- May 85. He was poorly regarded by many of us as simply an aloof mouthpiece for the Defence Minister and Federal government. Fortunately, his replacement was the extremely well respected 'Jake' Newham. I remember meeting Air Marshal Newham in late 1985 at RAAF Richmond. That was after work, in the Airmen's Club over a few beers with quite a few other troops. He was very down to earth and a true leader.
The issue is self perpetuating - generally speaking, the "good" ones get out and the "bad" ones (with some exceptions) stay in and wonder why any of the "malcontents" wanna leave!
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I was a troop in the RAAF during Air Marshal S. Evans' time as CAS Apr 82- May 85. He was poorly regarded by many of us as simply an aloof mouthpiece for the Defence Minister and Federal government. Fortunately, his replacement was the extremely well respected 'Jake' Newham. I remember meeting Air Marshal Newham in late 1985 at RAAF Richmond. That was after work, in the Airmen's Club over a few beers with quite a few other troops. He was very down to earth and a true leader.
There are some good stories about Selwyn D Evans and his efforts to fly every aircraft on every base, from the Huey to the F-111 to the Orion, each of them ending with him committing some atrocity and (twice) damaging the aircraft, then refusing to accept responsibility for it.
In 1973 he also grounded every pilot at Amberley whose hair was longer than the Air Force Regulations, because "if you disobey RAAF Orders, then you probably disobey Flying Orders, so you are by definition DANGEROUS, so you are grounded until you get a haircut." Be nice if you could fix a dangerous pilot by giving him a haircut...
I think he even tried to be governor of SA.
In 1973 he also grounded every pilot at Amberley whose hair was longer than the Air Force Regulations, because "if you disobey RAAF Orders, then you probably disobey Flying Orders, so you are by definition DANGEROUS, so you are grounded until you get a haircut." Be nice if you could fix a dangerous pilot by giving him a haircut...
I think he even tried to be governor of SA.
There are a few RAAF pilots that now have start dates but upon resignation they were surprised to find that their SPEC aircrew ROSO was to be enforced!! Apparently it's lawyers at 20 paces.
I've no sympathy... Spec Aircrew is the greatest deal for those chosen few who can actually get it. No ground job, pay rise every year and generally the best/most interesting flying.
Only the that are good looking and incredibly talented can get spec aircrew. Anyone thinking that ROSO will not be enforced is perhaps intellectually challenged.
Was it Evans who ran unsuccessfully for the seat of Eden Monaro in the mid 80's??
There was suggestion at the time that his military success was in no small part due to old school connections with Jim Killen, defence minister 1977-82 ish.
There was suggestion at the time that his military success was in no small part due to old school connections with Jim Killen, defence minister 1977-82 ish.
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Also - the best bit - "Cannot be promoted whilst in position."
In fact, if you're above the rank of Flight Lieutenant, Spec Aircrew usually comes with a DEMOTION.
There's some VERY happy former Group Captains wearing Flight Lieutenant rank on their shoulders now...
Doesn't necessarily encourage the FLTLTs who wanted the Spec Aircrew position to stay, especially when they're the one's with the option to leave and take a job overseas - for perhaps DEC with some high paying Chinese airline on an A330...
IMO the RAAF don't run the whole Spec Aircrew thing all that well.
In fact, if you're above the rank of Flight Lieutenant, Spec Aircrew usually comes with a DEMOTION.
There's some VERY happy former Group Captains wearing Flight Lieutenant rank on their shoulders now...
Doesn't necessarily encourage the FLTLTs who wanted the Spec Aircrew position to stay, especially when they're the one's with the option to leave and take a job overseas - for perhaps DEC with some high paying Chinese airline on an A330...
IMO the RAAF don't run the whole Spec Aircrew thing all that well.