Australian Pilots
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Like you, I was in high school during the dispute. But taking that issue aside, I just don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling from your sentiments.
I could probably easily, in my present circumstances, negotiate a 5% payrise at the sacrifice of pilots' conditions who have not joined my airline. Is that the short sighted environment yourself and PassaFozo advocate?
Like you, I was in high school during the dispute. But taking that issue aside, I just don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling from your sentiments.
I could probably easily, in my present circumstances, negotiate a 5% payrise at the sacrifice of pilots' conditions who have not joined my airline. Is that the short sighted environment yourself and PassaFozo advocate?
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My knowledge of radar?
I assume you are talking of the Brisbane ATC thread.
Ok "Team Player", lets play a quiz.
Does an AN/APN-241 have an air / air radar mode (Skin Paint)?
Do any aircraft with an AN/APN-241 radar fly in Brisbane FIR.
Team Player: Perhaps your lack of knowledge about what actually flies around you own country's skies are an indication? I guess you just thought "I don't have one , so no-one has one".
Next you'll be saying I don't understand TCAS because the Cessna you flew once didn't have it!
Gnad: No, I'm advocating you do what you want.
I assume you are talking of the Brisbane ATC thread.
Ok "Team Player", lets play a quiz.
Does an AN/APN-241 have an air / air radar mode (Skin Paint)?
Do any aircraft with an AN/APN-241 radar fly in Brisbane FIR.
Team Player: Perhaps your lack of knowledge about what actually flies around you own country's skies are an indication? I guess you just thought "I don't have one , so no-one has one".
Next you'll be saying I don't understand TCAS because the Cessna you flew once didn't have it!
Gnad: No, I'm advocating you do what you want.
Frozo
Yes & we can see you coming anyway.
For the benefit of foreign militaries, can we talk about the black op's Hercules gear?
And on your last commment, I believe you are unethical.
Yes & we can see you coming anyway.
For the benefit of foreign militaries, can we talk about the black op's Hercules gear?
And on your last commment, I believe you are unethical.
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No, I'm advocating you do what you want.
The Law of the Jungle, as advocated by you, means that there is eventually only ONE winner.
For someone hiding behind a ps position, as opposed to toughing it out in the private sector, your decision in life belies that which you so "bravely" espouse here!
Too hot in your kitchen?
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Team Player, Mekong?? I did a Mekong Delta tour out of HCM City about ten years ago. Is that what you're talking about? I have no idea of what you speak.
I don't defend $cabs, but nor do I defend those who really sold the movement out in 89. The older guys who pushed the solidarity line did that, but enough of that. I'm not here to debate the rights or wrongs of that year.
The point I made and make is that solidartiy has never existed in pilot ranks; we all know the me firsters in our own companies.
Gnadenburg I wasn't in High School, and TP makes the assumption that I was a $cab because he reads into my posts that I defend them.
Ah, yes, unions and CX. The 49ers issue, and recruitment ban, but no promotion ban; Don't give me that $hite TP.
Emirates union. Aren't they still working for the same as they were 15 years ago.
Very successful unions for their members indeed.
Gnadenburg, not everyone in your company feels the same way. Some will negotiate an increase, not only at the expense of those who join in the future, but at your expense. Be careful.
I don't defend $cabs, but nor do I defend those who really sold the movement out in 89. The older guys who pushed the solidarity line did that, but enough of that. I'm not here to debate the rights or wrongs of that year.
The point I made and make is that solidartiy has never existed in pilot ranks; we all know the me firsters in our own companies.
Gnadenburg I wasn't in High School, and TP makes the assumption that I was a $cab because he reads into my posts that I defend them.
Ah, yes, unions and CX. The 49ers issue, and recruitment ban, but no promotion ban; Don't give me that $hite TP.
Emirates union. Aren't they still working for the same as they were 15 years ago.
Very successful unions for their members indeed.
Gnadenburg, not everyone in your company feels the same way. Some will negotiate an increase, not only at the expense of those who join in the future, but at your expense. Be careful.
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For the benefit of foreign militaries, can we talk about the black op's Hercules gear?
It's not like we are discussing your AP-3 backend kit or some EWSP flare patterns.
And on your last commment, I believe you are unethical.
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working in unity achieves an outcome palatable for ALL
For someone hiding behind a ps position, as opposed to toughing it out in the private sector, your decision in life belies that which you so "bravely" espouse here!
Too hot in your kitchen?
Too hot in your kitchen?
It doesn't contradict what I'm saying, it highlights what I'm saying. I made a choice to take this career path, accepting the pay and conditions that went with it. When I'm not happy with it and like the pay and conditions elsewhere I'll apply. If the job I apply for pays less than you think airline pilots should be paid well that's just tough isn't it! Everyone is a winner when they are working for a salary they are happy with. If you aren't happy then find another job.
C'mon Froz
Your opening line in your last post sounds like a crossed Socialist-Neo Conservative ideaology. Every professional in Australia, should dumb down their job without a fight, for the betterment of economy.
You need some time on the street.
Haven't we explained it enough? Nobody wants your job. In the months post-Sept 11, mass pilot retrenchments around the globe, it was surprising how few went back into the RAAF.
Your opening line in your last post sounds like a crossed Socialist-Neo Conservative ideaology. Every professional in Australia, should dumb down their job without a fight, for the betterment of economy.
You need some time on the street.Haven't we explained it enough? Nobody wants your job. In the months post-Sept 11, mass pilot retrenchments around the globe, it was surprising how few went back into the RAAF.
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Sorry Gnad:
A bit pissy right now on new years.
Talk in a while
Happy new Years mate! Even if we don't agree, I hope the world brings you a great year.
Happy New Year everyone.. Let's debate tomorrow Gnad: Happy new year mate. I wish the best to your family.
A bit pissy right now on new years.
Talk in a while
Happy new Years mate! Even if we don't agree, I hope the world brings you a great year.
Happy New Year everyone.. Let's debate tomorrow Gnad: Happy new year mate. I wish the best to your family.
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"I dont think any of you guys are actually pilots. Just enthusiasts.
Am I right?"
Nah Mourgo, but I am an aviation professional. And youself?
Team Player, given that you have "learnt to live WITH our fellow man, having learnt that living in harmony and working in unity achieves an outcome palatable for ALL"; why is it that you would be "toughing it out in the private sector"? Sounds like you've already discovered how to live in some sort of socialist utopia, where's the challenge in that?
Am I right?"
Nah Mourgo, but I am an aviation professional. And youself?
Team Player, given that you have "learnt to live WITH our fellow man, having learnt that living in harmony and working in unity achieves an outcome palatable for ALL"; why is it that you would be "toughing it out in the private sector"? Sounds like you've already discovered how to live in some sort of socialist utopia, where's the challenge in that?
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Re: Australian Pilots
G'day again Gnads:
I'm not really bothered by that fact you think no-one wants me job. You clearly missed my point . My point was I choose a job based on what I get out of it (including pay) . The thing is, the less people that want my job - the more chance I have of getting paid more for doing the job I currently enjoy Happy new year mate!
I'm not really bothered by that fact you think no-one wants me job. You clearly missed my point . My point was I choose a job based on what I get out of it (including pay) . The thing is, the less people that want my job - the more chance I have of getting paid more for doing the job I currently enjoy
Happy new year mate!
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Re: Australian Pilots
"Nobody wants your job." Really? There's literally hundreds of people every year who could not get a guernsey for a military pilots' course that would say otherwise.
"In the months post-Sept 11, mass pilot retrenchments around the globe, it was surprising how few went back into the RAAF." Pretty surprising to see how many ex-military pilots applied and got knocked back as well. I was very lucky to get back in when I did in early 2003. The door shut fairly firmly about that time (for lateral recruits, that is), and has only just started to open again now.
P.S. Pass-A-Frozo, when did you go through 2FTS?
There's literally hundreds of people every year who could not get a guernsey for a military pilots' course that would say otherwise."In the months post-Sept 11, mass pilot retrenchments around the globe, it was surprising how few went back into the RAAF." Pretty surprising to see how many ex-military pilots applied and got knocked back as well. I was very lucky to get back in when I did in early 2003. The door shut fairly firmly about that time (for lateral recruits, that is), and has only just started to open again now.
P.S. Pass-A-Frozo, when did you go through 2FTS?
