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Legal Council = Geoff Dixon?????
You think a 737 capt should be on $50k. So 1person has the control and final decision over up to roughly 180 pax and you just wan to pay him/her $50k. Bus driver drives in a 2 dimensial world, weather is bad, he/she pulls over, engine fails he/she pulls over and there ain't no bus that has 180 pax as far as I know. Obviously in an aeroplane there are a great many more variables. Weather, malfunctions etc in the air are far more complicated, because of the 3D environment and decisions are made whilst travelling at 6 nm a min. Don't need to continue cause this is a pilot forum not pbrune (bus drivers equivalent).
So dear legal council with respect please pisss offfff and I suggest you go play email warfare with those two little legal tarts from that sydney law firm that were portrayed all over the news etc. That is your corner of the world. Please feel free to leave ours to us.
ps- we are mostly very underpaid and underappreciated
but thats another thread all together
You think a 737 capt should be on $50k. So 1person has the control and final decision over up to roughly 180 pax and you just wan to pay him/her $50k. Bus driver drives in a 2 dimensial world, weather is bad, he/she pulls over, engine fails he/she pulls over and there ain't no bus that has 180 pax as far as I know. Obviously in an aeroplane there are a great many more variables. Weather, malfunctions etc in the air are far more complicated, because of the 3D environment and decisions are made whilst travelling at 6 nm a min. Don't need to continue cause this is a pilot forum not pbrune (bus drivers equivalent).
So dear legal council with respect please pisss offfff and I suggest you go play email warfare with those two little legal tarts from that sydney law firm that were portrayed all over the news etc. That is your corner of the world. Please feel free to leave ours to us.
ps- we are mostly very underpaid and underappreciated
but thats another thread all together
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LC, just how did you come up with those figures of yours? You claim a Training Captain should be on 80K, and line Captain on 40K, yet a 737 Captain on only 50K? What do you base those figures on? Do you really think there will be a massive influx of pilots if those were the wages on offer? 
"Since when do employers have to compensate you for getting your Pilot's Licence? I don't recall any such arrangement in any profession. So step back and think about how lucky pilots have been to be given that recognition." No pilot expects to be compensated for initial training, and what recognition are you talking about exactly?
"A bus driver employed for 38 hours a week earns say $15/hour to drive a school bus or charter coach. His responsbility in my view far outweighs that of a pilot. So let's put it into perspective. " Yes, lets do that shall we? Bus with 30 pax breaks down, coasts to stop on the side of the road, ordeal over in 15 to 20 seconds, no one even notices anyway. Airplane suffers a failure at 30 odd thousand feet, 450 miles an hour, 150 pax......now, you tell me who has the greater responsibility? Pilots get paid for what we may need to do, not always for what we actually do during the course of a duty, BUT knowing what to do takes practice and experience and study, lots of that on our own time, not to mention the 6 monthly assessment of our capability. Name one other profession that has that? Or is monitored as closely as us?
And yet you say, would you fly for nothing? No, we wouldn't, and not for your sad excuse for wages either. You display your ignorance of the industry by saying we get paid too much now, however wages have been on the decline for years, and now, because of that, there is a dearth of experienced pilots. So, as you say, market demands, our wages are on the way up. So up yours sunshine, don't expect to pay less for your tickets in the future, and your welcome to take that 12 hour bus trip anytime.
Personally, you sound like a tight ass who's only concern is to get the lowest paid denominator in the front so you don't have to pay too much, until there's an accident/incident in which you will promptly sue the offending company for negligence!
Maybe to put it into terms you can grasp, if I was on trial for my life, would I hire you?
A) No, because if you were any good, you could afford to charge more. Market demands and all that.
B) No, because you spend far too much of your time on these boards, and not enough on your chosen profession, so obviously your not very good, otherwise you'd have lots of work to do.
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"Since when do employers have to compensate you for getting your Pilot's Licence? I don't recall any such arrangement in any profession. So step back and think about how lucky pilots have been to be given that recognition." No pilot expects to be compensated for initial training, and what recognition are you talking about exactly?
"A bus driver employed for 38 hours a week earns say $15/hour to drive a school bus or charter coach. His responsbility in my view far outweighs that of a pilot. So let's put it into perspective. " Yes, lets do that shall we? Bus with 30 pax breaks down, coasts to stop on the side of the road, ordeal over in 15 to 20 seconds, no one even notices anyway. Airplane suffers a failure at 30 odd thousand feet, 450 miles an hour, 150 pax......now, you tell me who has the greater responsibility? Pilots get paid for what we may need to do, not always for what we actually do during the course of a duty, BUT knowing what to do takes practice and experience and study, lots of that on our own time, not to mention the 6 monthly assessment of our capability. Name one other profession that has that? Or is monitored as closely as us?
And yet you say, would you fly for nothing? No, we wouldn't, and not for your sad excuse for wages either. You display your ignorance of the industry by saying we get paid too much now, however wages have been on the decline for years, and now, because of that, there is a dearth of experienced pilots. So, as you say, market demands, our wages are on the way up. So up yours sunshine, don't expect to pay less for your tickets in the future, and your welcome to take that 12 hour bus trip anytime.
Personally, you sound like a tight ass who's only concern is to get the lowest paid denominator in the front so you don't have to pay too much, until there's an accident/incident in which you will promptly sue the offending company for negligence!
Maybe to put it into terms you can grasp, if I was on trial for my life, would I hire you?
A) No, because if you were any good, you could afford to charge more. Market demands and all that.
B) No, because you spend far too much of your time on these boards, and not enough on your chosen profession, so obviously your not very good, otherwise you'd have lots of work to do.
Nosey
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I reckon LC is just a driver trying to wind us all up (maybe bored on over-nights or something??)
But if not.
Ahh ... Professional jealousy - what a sad thing. What we may have here drivers (if this poster is genuine) is a middle aged legal eagle who wishes he/she had spent their youth training etc. so that they now would be a driver.
But you 'aint, so should you really be posting on this forum.
LC, can you advise me of a legal type web site so I can post these.
Q. What's the difference between a lawyer and a duck?
A. They can both stick their bill up their ar$e.
Q. What is black and tan and looks good on a lawyer?
A. Doberman
Thanks for the entertainment LC.
But if not.
Ahh ... Professional jealousy - what a sad thing. What we may have here drivers (if this poster is genuine) is a middle aged legal eagle who wishes he/she had spent their youth training etc. so that they now would be a driver.
But you 'aint, so should you really be posting on this forum.
LC, can you advise me of a legal type web site so I can post these.
Q. What's the difference between a lawyer and a duck?
A. They can both stick their bill up their ar$e.
Q. What is black and tan and looks good on a lawyer?
A. Doberman
Thanks for the entertainment LC.
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I get paid what the market will bear just as the bussy gets paid what the market will bear. Right now pilots get paid more than they deserve
The market is not just a price one. Yes, pilot pay can go down while there are people prepared to work for less. That does not mean that the pilots themselves will be the sole component of this market. There will come a time where the market pay rate is so low, that professionals will not be prepared to work. At a certain stage the quality of applicants that are prepared to work for nothing or very little will be such that they will not be acceptable in this industry. That could be decided by the airlines, the regulatory authorites or the passengers themselves. Do you really want the cheapest ticket at any cost? In that case maybe we don't need the engineers, flight attendants or ATC.
Since when do employers have to compensate you for getting your Pilot's Licence? I don't recall any such arrangement in any profession. So step back and think about how lucky pilots have been to be given that recognition.
His responsbility in my view far outweighs that of a pilot. So let's put it into perspective.
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A new client had just come in to see a lawyer.
"Can you tell me how much you charge?", said the client.
"Of course", the lawyer replied, "I charge $200 to answer three questions!"
"Well that's a bit steep, isn't it?"
"Yes it is", said the lawyer, "And what's your third question?"
"Can you tell me how much you charge?", said the client.
"Of course", the lawyer replied, "I charge $200 to answer three questions!"
"Well that's a bit steep, isn't it?"
"Yes it is", said the lawyer, "And what's your third question?"
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REX appears to be a really professional outfit, what the heck is a low life bottom dwelling scum (would like to be) lawyer doing commenting about something that concerns professionals.
1......
The day after a verdict had been entered against his client, the lawyer rushed to the judge's chambers, demanding that the case be reopened, saying: "I have new evidence that makes a huge difference in my client's defense."
The judge asked, "What new evidence could you have?"
The lawyer replied, "My client has an extra $10,000, and I just found out about it!"
2.....
The devil visited a lawyer's office and made him an offer. "I can arrange some things for you, " the devil said. "I'll increase your income five-fold. Your partners will love you; your clients will respect you; you'll have four months of vacation each year and live to be a hundred. All I require in return is that your wife's soul, your children's souls, and their children's souls rot in hell for eternity."
The lawyer thought for a moment. "What's the catch?" he asked.
3.......
A man went to a brain store to get some brain to complete a study. He sees a sign remarking on the quality of professional brain offerred at this particular brain store. He begins to question the butcher about the cost of these brains.
"How much does it cost for engineer brain?"
"Three dollars an ounce."
"How much does it cost for programmer brain?"
"Four dollars an ounce."
"How much for lawyer brain?"
"$1,000 an ounce."
"Why is lawyer brain so much more?"
"Do you know how many lawyers we had to kill to get one ounce of brain?"
1......
The day after a verdict had been entered against his client, the lawyer rushed to the judge's chambers, demanding that the case be reopened, saying: "I have new evidence that makes a huge difference in my client's defense."
The judge asked, "What new evidence could you have?"
The lawyer replied, "My client has an extra $10,000, and I just found out about it!"
2.....
The devil visited a lawyer's office and made him an offer. "I can arrange some things for you, " the devil said. "I'll increase your income five-fold. Your partners will love you; your clients will respect you; you'll have four months of vacation each year and live to be a hundred. All I require in return is that your wife's soul, your children's souls, and their children's souls rot in hell for eternity."
The lawyer thought for a moment. "What's the catch?" he asked.
3.......
A man went to a brain store to get some brain to complete a study. He sees a sign remarking on the quality of professional brain offerred at this particular brain store. He begins to question the butcher about the cost of these brains.
"How much does it cost for engineer brain?"
"Three dollars an ounce."
"How much does it cost for programmer brain?"
"Four dollars an ounce."
"How much for lawyer brain?"
"$1,000 an ounce."
"Why is lawyer brain so much more?"
"Do you know how many lawyers we had to kill to get one ounce of brain?"
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LC congrats on successfully winding everyone up into a frenzy. It is a shame you can't actually be constructive. Clearly you are a very unhappy and frustrated person. I feel sorry for you, as even though I am sure you perceive yourself to be popular and well liked amongst your friends and peers, I am telling you they think you are an absolute fool behind your back. So I think we should just feel sorry for LC.
You sound more arrogant than any pilot I have come across. Clearly you are never going to be a professional pilot (Thank god for that), but don't trash the industry because you are frustrated by it. I have worked in it, but luck and further opportunites have not gone my way and I have moved into other work areas now, but I still think it is a great job and wish all well who are in it.
And finally, I think $130,000 for a Capt on a B737 isn't enough. I don't want the person up front flying me to my destination having to think about anything else but flying. I don't want them worrying about the mortgage, or money to pay school fees or even food. I am happy to pay a bit more to make sure they have their mind on the job. Considering they are in charge of a piece of equipment worth over $50 mill (B737) and say 150 lives, let alone 1 life, I think they deserve more money.
I think you just have to stop being angry, be happy, enjoy what you can about aviation, don't hate it because you haven't made it.
You sound more arrogant than any pilot I have come across. Clearly you are never going to be a professional pilot (Thank god for that), but don't trash the industry because you are frustrated by it. I have worked in it, but luck and further opportunites have not gone my way and I have moved into other work areas now, but I still think it is a great job and wish all well who are in it.
And finally, I think $130,000 for a Capt on a B737 isn't enough. I don't want the person up front flying me to my destination having to think about anything else but flying. I don't want them worrying about the mortgage, or money to pay school fees or even food. I am happy to pay a bit more to make sure they have their mind on the job. Considering they are in charge of a piece of equipment worth over $50 mill (B737) and say 150 lives, let alone 1 life, I think they deserve more money.
I think you just have to stop being angry, be happy, enjoy what you can about aviation, don't hate it because you haven't made it.
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What a nice thing to say.
AllinGoodTime, that is just the sweatest and most sensible thing I have read.
I also loved the jokes Boston.
I have to agree that the legal profession is a bit greedy but there are some of us who do genuinely try to help the under priveleged. My firm regularly contributes a proportion of its fees to selected charities.
I also loved the jokes Boston.
I have to agree that the legal profession is a bit greedy but there are some of us who do genuinely try to help the under priveleged. My firm regularly contributes a proportion of its fees to selected charities.
that is just the sweatest and most sensible thing I have read
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turbantime, that's what his secretary is for...
In effect we're in charge of way more than just the number of lives in the back - we do fly over densely populated cities regularly, no? Remember the AN124 that crashed into the apartments a few years back - far more casualties on the ground.
And if mr LC was soo worried about how much pilots get paid, perhaps he should go find a mining thread and spit chips about how much dumper drivers get paid, which is quite a bit more than most pilots are on, for much less 'responsibility'.
But, I guess he's come to expect paying that much for his wife's / mistresses diamonds...
Anyway, wasn't this thread about Rex recruitment?
I should think they'd keep their minimums as is - there's certainly no shortage.
In effect we're in charge of way more than just the number of lives in the back - we do fly over densely populated cities regularly, no? Remember the AN124 that crashed into the apartments a few years back - far more casualties on the ground.
And if mr LC was soo worried about how much pilots get paid, perhaps he should go find a mining thread and spit chips about how much dumper drivers get paid, which is quite a bit more than most pilots are on, for much less 'responsibility'.
But, I guess he's come to expect paying that much for his wife's / mistresses diamonds...
Anyway, wasn't this thread about Rex recruitment?
I should think they'd keep their minimums as is - there's certainly no shortage.
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A couple of things:
limpwindsock wants to know about entry requirements for Rex. So what he did was start a topic in an effort to find an answer.
You then highjacked the thread for your own personal agenda.
In an effort to get this thread back on topic I suggest you provide us with some answers or let it get back on topic. It seems you may not have the answer at your finger tips, but I suspect you could easily find out. So I propose:
1. You get yourself along to that pub your boss frequents, get him blind and find out what the answer is.
2. If that fails, get along to the Pitt St coffee shop next morning and listen to the gossip there, that may provide the answer we are all looking for.
3. If that fails start a new thread to discuss your payscale ramblings and leave this one to what it was originally intended.
limpwindsock:
Minimums for Rex interview used to be 3000tt, it has certainly dropped, over the last year.
Ring them up and introduce yourself, tell them your situation and ask if based on that you would be in the running for an interview. If not what part of your flying time do you need to increase to get one. They will not bite your head off, they will not blackmark you for ringing and may provide you with an answer straight from the source.....all the best.
A couple of things:
limpwindsock wants to know about entry requirements for Rex. So what he did was start a topic in an effort to find an answer.
You then highjacked the thread for your own personal agenda.
In an effort to get this thread back on topic I suggest you provide us with some answers or let it get back on topic. It seems you may not have the answer at your finger tips, but I suspect you could easily find out. So I propose:
1. You get yourself along to that pub your boss frequents, get him blind and find out what the answer is.
2. If that fails, get along to the Pitt St coffee shop next morning and listen to the gossip there, that may provide the answer we are all looking for.
3. If that fails start a new thread to discuss your payscale ramblings and leave this one to what it was originally intended.
limpwindsock:
Minimums for Rex interview used to be 3000tt, it has certainly dropped, over the last year.
Ring them up and introduce yourself, tell them your situation and ask if based on that you would be in the running for an interview. If not what part of your flying time do you need to increase to get one. They will not bite your head off, they will not blackmark you for ringing and may provide you with an answer straight from the source.....all the best.
Legal_Counsel
Your hourly rate is pretty low. You'd be the aviation equivalent of a Grade 3 Flying instructor in the legal fraternity.
There have been a few 737 crashes recently ably demonstrating what 50K a year in professionalism delivers.
Great to see Rex doing OK by the way.
Your hourly rate is pretty low. You'd be the aviation equivalent of a Grade 3 Flying instructor in the legal fraternity.
There have been a few 737 crashes recently ably demonstrating what 50K a year in professionalism delivers.
Great to see Rex doing OK by the way.
