Advicefor a Newbee Please
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You dont get super unless you earn over $450 per month, then it has to paid by the employer.
A casual is not entitled to super/holiday/sick pay e.t.c which is why they have a higher hourly rate to reflect that they do not qualify for these extras.
However if you have set hours, a roster that is the same on a weekly basis, you must be deemed part time, with the above benefits. If you work over 30 hours per week for longer than 3 months, you must be then deemed full time and be paid/ given conditions which reflect this.
Contractors are a differant kettle of fish all together and is a very grey area, however if you are treated like staff, wear the organisations logo, represent the company and not yourself, then you will then qualify for the casual/pt/ft classification.
I am a small business operator aswell as a s/cpl so i have been through all these countless times. However it is hard to classify exactly where you should be catagorised as state laws vary and there is always loopholes employers can abuse.
Wageline is the best place to consult, however you also dont want to ark up about it and get yourself an unfair reputation.
Best to walk in my opnion...
A casual is not entitled to super/holiday/sick pay e.t.c which is why they have a higher hourly rate to reflect that they do not qualify for these extras.
However if you have set hours, a roster that is the same on a weekly basis, you must be deemed part time, with the above benefits. If you work over 30 hours per week for longer than 3 months, you must be then deemed full time and be paid/ given conditions which reflect this.
Contractors are a differant kettle of fish all together and is a very grey area, however if you are treated like staff, wear the organisations logo, represent the company and not yourself, then you will then qualify for the casual/pt/ft classification.
I am a small business operator aswell as a s/cpl so i have been through all these countless times. However it is hard to classify exactly where you should be catagorised as state laws vary and there is always loopholes employers can abuse.
Wageline is the best place to consult, however you also dont want to ark up about it and get yourself an unfair reputation.
Best to walk in my opnion...
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The organisation in question here is very obvious to anyone knowing the dynamics of the Illawarra Airport; besides there is only one flying training organisation there so the field is reasonably limited in the guess-factors.
These pilots are required to wear a uniform (complete with gold bars and a distinct rank regime). For the most part, most of their pilots not only operate as instructional staff, but are also rostered as aircrew for their SAR roles with them maintaining a 24 hour roster system - in itself questionable from a F&D aspect especially when numbers are at a premium which appears to be most times.
Of major concern to me here is the waiving of WORKCOVER; Super is one thing BUT WORKCOVER is an entirely different issue all together. Get injured (or killed) at work and you could spend the rest of your life destitute because of a money-hungry organisation that couldn't give a hoot about their employees and is only interested in making more money for the select few who milk the public for all their worth! For years, well before their SAR functions came into being, this mob raised money for there shark patrol functions from right across Australia.......I am yet to find one example of a shark threat in Tamworth or Wagga Wagga; anyone who can think of one instance, please feel free to correct me!
These pilots are required to wear a uniform (complete with gold bars and a distinct rank regime). For the most part, most of their pilots not only operate as instructional staff, but are also rostered as aircrew for their SAR roles with them maintaining a 24 hour roster system - in itself questionable from a F&D aspect especially when numbers are at a premium which appears to be most times.
Of major concern to me here is the waiving of WORKCOVER; Super is one thing BUT WORKCOVER is an entirely different issue all together. Get injured (or killed) at work and you could spend the rest of your life destitute because of a money-hungry organisation that couldn't give a hoot about their employees and is only interested in making more money for the select few who milk the public for all their worth! For years, well before their SAR functions came into being, this mob raised money for there shark patrol functions from right across Australia.......I am yet to find one example of a shark threat in Tamworth or Wagga Wagga; anyone who can think of one instance, please feel free to correct me!
Can anyone confirm the rumour that their Partialaviator and 182 are both grounded in Moruya with time expired engines?? 
Apparently they cannot afford new donks!
Also hearad that there could be a new SAR player to take over down there.
Apparently they cannot afford new donks!
Also hearad that there could be a new SAR player to take over down there.
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Shark Patrols
Squawky..... Seems the Shark Patrols should be focussed on the land variety more than the marine variety. I am sure they exist at Illawara, Tamworth, Wagg Wagga or an aerodrme near you!
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people get away with this because most of GA has no or idea about an employment award and as a result employers can get away with slave labour. Something has to be done
if anyone knows of an award that covers us please let me know.
first jobs are hard to find people aren't just going to turn there backs on free hours at least
if anyone knows of an award that covers us please let me know.
first jobs are hard to find people aren't just going to turn there backs on free hours at least
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Dookie;
Can't comment about the two aircraft you mention but one of their 152's is in for major heart surgery that they cannot pay for. They have effectively defaulted with nearly every major maintenance organisation in NSW over the past 10 years and are 'cash only' account holders with most aviation suppliers around the country due to their shocking credit history!
Woomera;
Your assumption is correct - interesting to note since this thread has been started, their websites have been very seriously edited and some of their outlandish claims have been removed or amended! (Too many enquiring eyes of late!) At least one good thing has come from all this; let's hope they can keep their honesty in check from here on in?
Angelseeker;
Any news on your particular issues concerning this mob?
Can't comment about the two aircraft you mention but one of their 152's is in for major heart surgery that they cannot pay for. They have effectively defaulted with nearly every major maintenance organisation in NSW over the past 10 years and are 'cash only' account holders with most aviation suppliers around the country due to their shocking credit history!
Woomera;
Your assumption is correct - interesting to note since this thread has been started, their websites have been very seriously edited and some of their outlandish claims have been removed or amended! (Too many enquiring eyes of late!) At least one good thing has come from all this; let's hope they can keep their honesty in check from here on in?
Angelseeker;
Any news on your particular issues concerning this mob?
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Thanks to everyone for their advice. 
Unfortunately, if we want to work we have to agree to the terms, although this thread has caused them to hide their actions and threaten everyone/anyone who talks to the media or the like with instant dismissal. The management appears to be ducking for cover and have even tried to have the post ceased.
We have had subtle warnings about contributing to any posts that has negative feedback for the company, especially during working hours. The 2IC has been a little more direct with his warnings about.
On the other subject in relation to the SAR contract, the rumors appear to be correct and that at the end of the contract we will only have beach patrols to keep us busy during the summers to come. It’s a pity because if it was managed properly it would have been a worth while contract.
Like everyone else that passes through these doors to work, I too shall move on when the opportune time arrives.
Unfortunately, if we want to work we have to agree to the terms, although this thread has caused them to hide their actions and threaten everyone/anyone who talks to the media or the like with instant dismissal. The management appears to be ducking for cover and have even tried to have the post ceased.
We have had subtle warnings about contributing to any posts that has negative feedback for the company, especially during working hours. The 2IC has been a little more direct with his warnings about.
On the other subject in relation to the SAR contract, the rumors appear to be correct and that at the end of the contract we will only have beach patrols to keep us busy during the summers to come. It’s a pity because if it was managed properly it would have been a worth while contract.
Like everyone else that passes through these doors to work, I too shall move on when the opportune time arrives.
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There is more to this organization than meets the eyes…..
Seems the long running boss of this organization has upset an old student by slandering her and a family member of hers in a letter to the members of the board. The letter was distributed to all members, but one letter was accidentally mailed to the ex-student.
Result, not happy Jan!!!!!
It’s hard enough to get a start in this fickle industry without been singled out by your school of learning!
I thought they only treated their long term employees that way, just ask each of the instructors/ pilots that were shoved to one side when the current CFI took the reigns. Grade one instructor (with no less then three renewals) that all of a sudden can’t pass a grade three! Ex-Chief Pilot that is bullied into leaving as not to pose a threat to the path the new CP is pathing!
It does appear that those students that learn at this place on the sunny (windy) south coast aren’t immune to the sharks that take their funds in the first place. Maybe, just maybe, the patrols should be conducted several more miles inland than the patrols that are currently conducted because there seems to be more sharks surfing the dirt in the Illawarra then surfing the waves!
Seems the long running boss of this organization has upset an old student by slandering her and a family member of hers in a letter to the members of the board. The letter was distributed to all members, but one letter was accidentally mailed to the ex-student.
Result, not happy Jan!!!!!
It’s hard enough to get a start in this fickle industry without been singled out by your school of learning!
I thought they only treated their long term employees that way, just ask each of the instructors/ pilots that were shoved to one side when the current CFI took the reigns. Grade one instructor (with no less then three renewals) that all of a sudden can’t pass a grade three! Ex-Chief Pilot that is bullied into leaving as not to pose a threat to the path the new CP is pathing!
It does appear that those students that learn at this place on the sunny (windy) south coast aren’t immune to the sharks that take their funds in the first place. Maybe, just maybe, the patrols should be conducted several more miles inland than the patrols that are currently conducted because there seems to be more sharks surfing the dirt in the Illawarra then surfing the waves!
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Saw the CP/CFI being interviewed on the news tonight discussing a Catalina fly pass he is conducting in Canberra in a few days.
One wonders how long it is going to be before HARS is running under it's new banner...... Macccas Aerial Patrol and Old Aircraft Restoration.
One wonders how long it is going to be before HARS is running under it's new banner...... Macccas Aerial Patrol and Old Aircraft Restoration.
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????ANGELSEEKER????
Hey Buddy, despite all the information/advice given here, you still decided to take the job?
I appreciate the fact that we all want to work, but there has to be a limit on how often we sell our souls to the devil!
The GA industry in Australia WILL NEVER IMPROVE whilst we continue to allow scum operators to manipulate work conditions to the detriment of employees.
It now appears that yet another operator, this time rotary from Hoxton, is offering a job flying power/gas lines but the winner will be required to undertake 3 months probation on the job WITHOUT PAY!
I appreciate the fact that we all want to work, but there has to be a limit on how often we sell our souls to the devil!
The GA industry in Australia WILL NEVER IMPROVE whilst we continue to allow scum operators to manipulate work conditions to the detriment of employees.
It now appears that yet another operator, this time rotary from Hoxton, is offering a job flying power/gas lines but the winner will be required to undertake 3 months probation on the job WITHOUT PAY!
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correction for Propswinga
Propswinga, I think the rotary organisation you mention is one that was previously based at Hoxton Park but now operates from Bankstown Airport.......
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A wolf in sheeps clothing
The organisation which was the target of the original complaint in this thread, allegedly underpaying and ripping off staff pilots, have been spreading brouchures advertising another organisation known as NSWAir. Their brochure advertises scenic flights up and down the coast south to Jervis Bay and north to the Harbour Bridge however, be aware that this is the very same organisation hiding behind another label , employing (but not properly paying) the same pilots and the same tactics as before!
"You can paint a garbage bin; but it's still a garbage bin!
, employing (but not properly paying) the same pilots and the same tactics as before!"You can paint a garbage bin; but it's still a garbage bin!
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I initially learnt to fly at this organisation a few years ago.
I have to say, it was a dreadful experience.
The negative staff morale only impacted upon the students themselves.
I recall one instructor there most distinctly. As a reserved young person in very early stages of flight training, I remember flying the aircraft off the ground and being yelled and screamed at by this particular instructor on a frequent basis if I made a less than perfect manouvre during the 'lesson'. The guy would literally go berserk at me and I remember being concerned for my safety on more than one occasion. Once the lesson had completed and the C152 was back on the ground, he was totally calm and pleasant again.
As a really young guy, I found the experience seriously humiliating and at the time found myself too embarrassed to either tell my friends or family. I myself couldnt believe the conduct I was experiencing. Each time I put it down to the instructor having a bad day, but it kept getting progressively worse.
I look back at this type of bullying behaviour with absolute amazement, and concerned shock, considering my parents were paying ~$150 / hour for the experience. !
I can only sympathise with other people who have had difficulty with this organisation.
Fun times
I have to say, it was a dreadful experience.
The negative staff morale only impacted upon the students themselves.
I recall one instructor there most distinctly. As a reserved young person in very early stages of flight training, I remember flying the aircraft off the ground and being yelled and screamed at by this particular instructor on a frequent basis if I made a less than perfect manouvre during the 'lesson'. The guy would literally go berserk at me and I remember being concerned for my safety on more than one occasion. Once the lesson had completed and the C152 was back on the ground, he was totally calm and pleasant again.
As a really young guy, I found the experience seriously humiliating and at the time found myself too embarrassed to either tell my friends or family. I myself couldnt believe the conduct I was experiencing. Each time I put it down to the instructor having a bad day, but it kept getting progressively worse.
I look back at this type of bullying behaviour with absolute amazement, and concerned shock, considering my parents were paying ~$150 / hour for the experience. !
I can only sympathise with other people who have had difficulty with this organisation.
Fun times
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For any newbee or indeed oldbee. It has been said before but I think worth saying again.
If you are a student...You are paying them for a service.. not happy? (Speak to them about it), vote with your feet if no joy!
If you are an employee...Same thing but don't take it out on the students.
If you are a student...You are paying them for a service.. not happy? (Speak to them about it), vote with your feet if no joy!
If you are an employee...Same thing but don't take it out on the students.
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.............?................
Is the organisation mentioned in this thread the same organisation mentioned in the Illawarra Regional Airport thread about some scandal 10 years ago involving kids?
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wylie,
It is one and the same!
They had a name change a few years ago after the scandel broke and the ICAC came visiting!
One wonders how they survived the broadside, believed someone on the inside turned to save the organisation,
word had it that it was the IC!
It is one and the same!
They had a name change a few years ago after the scandel broke and the ICAC came visiting!
One wonders how they survived the broadside, believed someone on the inside turned to save the organisation,
word had it that it was the IC!
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re this organisation in wollongong
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I am suprised that no one has mentioned that this charter company was awarded the ground handling contract for qantaslink as per article in the Illawarra Mercury dated 6/6/05, and that all profits from this contract will be funnelled back to the parent (charity) company.
Funny thing also is the brochure advertising scenic flights to harbour bridge - now in the mercury dated 27/8/05 - now plan to launch tourist service to Harbour Bridge???. But they are awaiting council approval.
Noted in this thread that this charter company has only had 3 charters, since conception of the company, must not be doing any good, but then again they do have the qantaslink contract, that should prop them up a little.
I am suprised that no one has mentioned that this charter company was awarded the ground handling contract for qantaslink as per article in the Illawarra Mercury dated 6/6/05, and that all profits from this contract will be funnelled back to the parent (charity) company.
Funny thing also is the brochure advertising scenic flights to harbour bridge - now in the mercury dated 27/8/05 - now plan to launch tourist service to Harbour Bridge???. But they are awaiting council approval.
Noted in this thread that this charter company has only had 3 charters, since conception of the company, must not be doing any good, but then again they do have the qantaslink contract, that should prop them up a little.
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Kasey,
Why would they be awaiting council approval to conduct scenics to the Harbour Bridge? There is not one aspect of that operation that would require approval from council least of all, flights to Sydney and back???
Why would they be awaiting council approval to conduct scenics to the Harbour Bridge? There is not one aspect of that operation that would require approval from council least of all, flights to Sydney and back???
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but then again they do have the qantaslink contract, that should prop them up a little