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Maximus.
I think the points natbanger was making - which you seem to continually overlook - were:
1. There is an allegation the aircraft ferried back to Mackay with the undercarriage down, without being inspected by a LAME and possibly without an appropriate Maintenance Release entry and Permit to Fly.
2. An allegation the operator enjoys a "preferential relationship" with CASA staff in FNQ.
3. An allegation CASA offices in FNQ have initiated vindictive and unjustified action against certain operators in the region, including fabricating evidence and illegally obtaining documents.
Each of the above points are extremely serious allegations and should be investigated immediately by an appropriate independent investigator, and not one of CASA's "lawyers for hire".
I think the points natbanger was making - which you seem to continually overlook - were:
1. There is an allegation the aircraft ferried back to Mackay with the undercarriage down, without being inspected by a LAME and possibly without an appropriate Maintenance Release entry and Permit to Fly.
2. An allegation the operator enjoys a "preferential relationship" with CASA staff in FNQ.
3. An allegation CASA offices in FNQ have initiated vindictive and unjustified action against certain operators in the region, including fabricating evidence and illegally obtaining documents.
Each of the above points are extremely serious allegations and should be investigated immediately by an appropriate independent investigator, and not one of CASA's "lawyers for hire".
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Yes, an external and "Independant" investigation is warranted.
Yes, there are indications of criminal conduct by some of the regulators / enforcers.
There is a massive amount of solid, factual evidence held by various entities that clearly establishes conduct
reminiscent of the KGB in the Cold War era or Hitler's SS of WWII.
The conduct displayed is UnAustralian, UnEthical, UnAcceptable, often Illegal and Alien to a Western Democracy.
Even the Mafia has a code of conduct, and if the miscreants end up in gaol, as they would if tried and convicted in an appropriate court,
they would soon learn, even in gaol, that criminals also have a code of conduct.
BB,
You have started some actions, but only where you personally were affected.
That was commendable and has been favourably acknowledged in the editorial of the current edition of "Australian Flying".
You now need to identify the protective buffer that insulates you from the sad realities of your field offices.
You have sacked some of them, just keep looking and you will find more.
The miscreants have no code of conduct other than indulging in the use and abuse of power.
The available evidence cannot convict them unless it is tabled in a criminal court.
Some of it has been tabled in the AAT, but here it does no more than embarrass them and expose them for what they are.
The AAT cannot convict them, nor recommend they be charged, based on that evidence, nor is it their prerogative,
they just assess the evidence to either uphold their bastardry or to overturn it.
A Royal Commission is the only way the evidence can be presented and be available for cross examination.
That it would clearly paint a picture of extreme misconduct is beyond doubt.
That evidence, having been tabled, would then be used in a criminal court to determine the punishment the miscreants have earned.
None of this will happen, it is purely academic. A Royal Commission into CASA cannot be allowed to happen.
As has been said earlier, these current issues will evaporate.
It is up to BB to set in place some mechanism to stem this abuse of power and to bring to account any offender in the future.
The current offenders, instead of properly going to gaol, will merely be counselled and advised not to get caught again.
Nothing will change, the rhetoric will still come forth.
BB, we need actions that support the words
and action that sends a clear message down through the ranks that the misconduct is to cease.
The Townsville office is not the only office flaunting this abusive behaviour, it is merely the one in the spotlight at present.
It is in the spotlight because of overwhelming disgust.
BB has initiated a policy of conciliation and co-operation, of having a cup of tea and a chat. This is a positive direction.
A great idea, but unfortunately there are a lot of FOI's who not only oppose this initiative,
but who would not be welcome in any operators office under any circumstances, let alone be party to a chat.
In Townsville, the three FOI's bastardised were among the few that industry could feel comfortable with,
and one or two others who live on the fringe of being bastardised.
Quite simply, BB, the industry, because of the actions of your rogue element,
have NO trust, confidence or respect in a significant proportion of your staff.
Trust, Confidence and Respect are earned, not assigned.
How you go about restoring that Trust , Confidence and Respect will be an interesting but not insurmountable task for you and your team.
Ultimately we all look forward to you turning the clock back a few years to an era when we could call an Area Office and discuss a problem and mutually work out a solution.
FOI's (different title then) did drop in for a cuppa, did chat, did suggest things we may have overlooked.
We were even able to have beer at the pub with them after work.
Discipline was enforced in a friendly authoritive way, there was mutual respect accorded each other.
What was so wrong with this system that it was allowed to degenerate into a constant attempt to issue RCA's (NCN's of old)?
Why now must some offices feel the need to measure the performance of their staff by the sheer quantity of RCA's issued?
From where or from whom did this mindset gestate and come forth?
Ultimately, do you want to lead a contemptable team of thugs and bullies, or a team of respected professionals?
I guess it all comes down where you see CASA going.
And I suggest that the name be changed to FAA (Federal Aviation Auithority).
Currently it stands for Civil Aviation Safety Authority.
Given that it is Civil, why the overwhelming proportion of former ADF personnel within it's ranks and why is the Civil world so under represented.
The word Safety does not currently fit with the culture. There is no interest in safety, just enforcement.
Some of the activities being pursued actually compromise safety, not support it.
Aviation and Authority still mean something and should be retained.
The Truth is out there, go find it.
Yes, an external and "Independant" investigation is warranted.
Yes, there are indications of criminal conduct by some of the regulators / enforcers.
There is a massive amount of solid, factual evidence held by various entities that clearly establishes conduct
reminiscent of the KGB in the Cold War era or Hitler's SS of WWII.
The conduct displayed is UnAustralian, UnEthical, UnAcceptable, often Illegal and Alien to a Western Democracy.
Even the Mafia has a code of conduct, and if the miscreants end up in gaol, as they would if tried and convicted in an appropriate court,
they would soon learn, even in gaol, that criminals also have a code of conduct.
BB,
You have started some actions, but only where you personally were affected.
That was commendable and has been favourably acknowledged in the editorial of the current edition of "Australian Flying".
You now need to identify the protective buffer that insulates you from the sad realities of your field offices.
You have sacked some of them, just keep looking and you will find more.
The miscreants have no code of conduct other than indulging in the use and abuse of power.
The available evidence cannot convict them unless it is tabled in a criminal court.
Some of it has been tabled in the AAT, but here it does no more than embarrass them and expose them for what they are.
The AAT cannot convict them, nor recommend they be charged, based on that evidence, nor is it their prerogative,
they just assess the evidence to either uphold their bastardry or to overturn it.
A Royal Commission is the only way the evidence can be presented and be available for cross examination.
That it would clearly paint a picture of extreme misconduct is beyond doubt.
That evidence, having been tabled, would then be used in a criminal court to determine the punishment the miscreants have earned.
None of this will happen, it is purely academic. A Royal Commission into CASA cannot be allowed to happen.
As has been said earlier, these current issues will evaporate.
It is up to BB to set in place some mechanism to stem this abuse of power and to bring to account any offender in the future.
The current offenders, instead of properly going to gaol, will merely be counselled and advised not to get caught again.
Nothing will change, the rhetoric will still come forth.
BB, we need actions that support the words
and action that sends a clear message down through the ranks that the misconduct is to cease.
The Townsville office is not the only office flaunting this abusive behaviour, it is merely the one in the spotlight at present.
It is in the spotlight because of overwhelming disgust.
BB has initiated a policy of conciliation and co-operation, of having a cup of tea and a chat. This is a positive direction.
A great idea, but unfortunately there are a lot of FOI's who not only oppose this initiative,
but who would not be welcome in any operators office under any circumstances, let alone be party to a chat.
In Townsville, the three FOI's bastardised were among the few that industry could feel comfortable with,
and one or two others who live on the fringe of being bastardised.
Quite simply, BB, the industry, because of the actions of your rogue element,
have NO trust, confidence or respect in a significant proportion of your staff.
Trust, Confidence and Respect are earned, not assigned.
How you go about restoring that Trust , Confidence and Respect will be an interesting but not insurmountable task for you and your team.
Ultimately we all look forward to you turning the clock back a few years to an era when we could call an Area Office and discuss a problem and mutually work out a solution.
FOI's (different title then) did drop in for a cuppa, did chat, did suggest things we may have overlooked.
We were even able to have beer at the pub with them after work.
Discipline was enforced in a friendly authoritive way, there was mutual respect accorded each other.
What was so wrong with this system that it was allowed to degenerate into a constant attempt to issue RCA's (NCN's of old)?
Why now must some offices feel the need to measure the performance of their staff by the sheer quantity of RCA's issued?
From where or from whom did this mindset gestate and come forth?
Ultimately, do you want to lead a contemptable team of thugs and bullies, or a team of respected professionals?
I guess it all comes down where you see CASA going.
And I suggest that the name be changed to FAA (Federal Aviation Auithority).
Currently it stands for Civil Aviation Safety Authority.
Given that it is Civil, why the overwhelming proportion of former ADF personnel within it's ranks and why is the Civil world so under represented.
The word Safety does not currently fit with the culture. There is no interest in safety, just enforcement.
Some of the activities being pursued actually compromise safety, not support it.
Aviation and Authority still mean something and should be retained.
The Truth is out there, go find it.
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Captain starlight,
Hitler,SS,KGB and mafia. Hmmmmmm A little to much time sitting on grassy noles. Wake up to yourself, if its such a big dilema for you, go and visit Mr Byron yourself rather than hide behind a handle on an annonymous forum. Take a pill and calm down.
Hitler,SS,KGB and mafia. Hmmmmmm A little to much time sitting on grassy noles. Wake up to yourself, if its such a big dilema for you, go and visit Mr Byron yourself rather than hide behind a handle on an annonymous forum. Take a pill and calm down.
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Hitler,SS,KGB and mafia, would appear an exageration, although if you received " special treatment" from these incapables you would be a little emotional as well.
First hand, i can tell you 19 CP/Directors have complained exclusively to BB and MT before him about this problem, 5 of these have jumped a flight down to Canberra to meet with the transport minister and BB/MT. There has been a documentary made, there is presently a Web Site being built, unfortunately i've only seen once theses particular representives of CASA publicly embarassing themselves in the AAT.
The local member (WE) has been involved in just about every situation, talk to him if you want the whole picture.
These people are very vindictive.
First hand, i can tell you 19 CP/Directors have complained exclusively to BB and MT before him about this problem, 5 of these have jumped a flight down to Canberra to meet with the transport minister and BB/MT. There has been a documentary made, there is presently a Web Site being built, unfortunately i've only seen once theses particular representives of CASA publicly embarassing themselves in the AAT.
The local member (WE) has been involved in just about every situation, talk to him if you want the whole picture.
These people are very vindictive.
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Not sure if you're in FNQ, if you are, you are not under the evil influence of the Townsville office.
Some operators languish under interstate offices, some the Brisbane Airline office.
You can be assured that being under seige by the Townsville office for a prolonged period of time is somewhat arduous and jading,
and doesn't leave a lot of time to rest on grassy noles (did you mean holes,moles or knolls?).
Refer to Stinky's post regarding the trips to Canberra.
Byron has been visited personally, in company with the local member WE, by numerous operators, fact.
Byron was, on at least one occasion, handed volumes of solid, documented and indexed evidence. fact
Byron's reaction was to refer this confidential evidence to the accused to investigate and comment on himself! fact
The local member, whilst meaning well and willing to go into bat,
has not really got any runs on the board with regard to action
being achieved with the problems he's been asked to make representations about,
dating back as far as UZU Air.
There is a possibility that maybe he is not taken too seriously by either the minister or BB.
If you operate or fly in FNQ, and if nothing changes, you had better hope that you are not targeted.
Whether or not you are totally above board will have no bearing on the treatment you will receive.
Imagine having a policeman follow you everywhere you drive, for up to two years if necessary, determined to find fault with you.
Do you consider that there is a possibility that you may actually infringe one day,
say even a wheel just over a stop line, a speed just a kilometre over the limit, a blown light bulb that happened during such a trip.
Imagine an operator committing such a serious crime as having a dust cap missing off a tyre on his aircraft.
Imagine not having a weather forecast for a flight between two islands that can be seen in either direction from any point along the route.
Imagine a lay judge or magistrate hearing this damning evidence against you, particularly when you may have committed similar major offences.
You will be seen as a serial offender. And then treated like one.
Despite your protests of innocence, unfair etc.
Maybe then you will start to understand KGB or SS.
This is reality in FNQ, where are you, with one of the favoured operators?
or one of the un surveilled Southern based operators, or with the Brisbane Airline Office?
Do you consider, for one moment, that this conduct is mythical?
That all those operators who made all of those wasted trips to Canberra were really just wanting to see Canberra?
Maybe you have as much of a problem believing this as Byron seems to,
although he has just found out it is also happening at home and rightfully sacked some of the offenders.
Sorry 8 8ths Blue, let's hope you don't get a turn in the ring with these thugs.
There are several barristers and legal firms that will suffer a significant loss of business when Byron finally does something about the problem,
and,like you, he needs to acknowledge that there is a problem first, and then realise the magnitude of it.
Not sure if you're in FNQ, if you are, you are not under the evil influence of the Townsville office.
Some operators languish under interstate offices, some the Brisbane Airline office.
You can be assured that being under seige by the Townsville office for a prolonged period of time is somewhat arduous and jading,
and doesn't leave a lot of time to rest on grassy noles (did you mean holes,moles or knolls?).
Refer to Stinky's post regarding the trips to Canberra.
Byron has been visited personally, in company with the local member WE, by numerous operators, fact.
Byron was, on at least one occasion, handed volumes of solid, documented and indexed evidence. fact
Byron's reaction was to refer this confidential evidence to the accused to investigate and comment on himself! fact
The local member, whilst meaning well and willing to go into bat,
has not really got any runs on the board with regard to action
being achieved with the problems he's been asked to make representations about,
dating back as far as UZU Air.
There is a possibility that maybe he is not taken too seriously by either the minister or BB.
If you operate or fly in FNQ, and if nothing changes, you had better hope that you are not targeted.
Whether or not you are totally above board will have no bearing on the treatment you will receive.
Imagine having a policeman follow you everywhere you drive, for up to two years if necessary, determined to find fault with you.
Do you consider that there is a possibility that you may actually infringe one day,
say even a wheel just over a stop line, a speed just a kilometre over the limit, a blown light bulb that happened during such a trip.
Imagine an operator committing such a serious crime as having a dust cap missing off a tyre on his aircraft.
Imagine not having a weather forecast for a flight between two islands that can be seen in either direction from any point along the route.
Imagine a lay judge or magistrate hearing this damning evidence against you, particularly when you may have committed similar major offences.
You will be seen as a serial offender. And then treated like one.
Despite your protests of innocence, unfair etc.
Maybe then you will start to understand KGB or SS.
This is reality in FNQ, where are you, with one of the favoured operators?
or one of the un surveilled Southern based operators, or with the Brisbane Airline Office?
Do you consider, for one moment, that this conduct is mythical?
That all those operators who made all of those wasted trips to Canberra were really just wanting to see Canberra?
Maybe you have as much of a problem believing this as Byron seems to,
although he has just found out it is also happening at home and rightfully sacked some of the offenders.
Sorry 8 8ths Blue, let's hope you don't get a turn in the ring with these thugs.
There are several barristers and legal firms that will suffer a significant loss of business when Byron finally does something about the problem,
and,like you, he needs to acknowledge that there is a problem first, and then realise the magnitude of it.
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After reading this thread, one has to wonder why these chappies are still smiling with a full set of teeth. It will only be a matter of time before a person that has been victimised, had his income/job/licence threatened or had his business comprimised by one of these alledged individuals, before one of them get a pick handle, or worse, and take matters into their own hands.
Most pilots are well rounded people, but, if you keep poking snakes with a stick, ones going to bite you eventually.
Actually, I would imagine that this would count for all offices, not just the townsville office.
Most pilots are well rounded people, but, if you keep poking snakes with a stick, ones going to bite you eventually.
Actually, I would imagine that this would count for all offices, not just the townsville office.
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Yes, one has to ponder that as well. However, most operators and pilots are decent, law abiding citizens.
Rumour has it that during the harrassment of one of the affected operators, physical violence was threatened towards the offenders.
It must also be kept in mind that the Townsville office is not the only office enjoying the sport of ruining people's lives.
It is just the one that consistently over achieves in this sport.
Over your side of the continent, you are referred to AAT hearing "Repacholi vs CASA".
CASA noted in their evidence that the operator "looked at me with a threatening look and made gutteral sounds".
You can imagine how distressed the CASA person must have felt at this lack of appreciation for having done his job.
Whilst there is no doubt that a good thrashing is in order for these offenders, that would merely make the offenders martyrs.
Such actions are often accepted as the justifiable reaction of an aggrieved person when properly represented in a court.
These people want recognition for the job they have done.
That can be adequately covered by exposing them, having them charged for their criminal activities and having them sentenced to gaol.
That they may be occassionally sodomised in gaol might then help them reflect on what it is that they have been doing to others.
Other solutions are "Tar and Feathering", but this is no longer in vogue, nor is being placed in stocks in the market square.
Somehow, just sacking them, with the associated BIG payouts doesn't seem adequate.
These are some suggestions of what they deserve,
reality says they will be counselled and possibly transferred to Canberra to stocktake pencils and paperclips on their six figure salaries.
Yes, one has to ponder that as well. However, most operators and pilots are decent, law abiding citizens.
Rumour has it that during the harrassment of one of the affected operators, physical violence was threatened towards the offenders.
It must also be kept in mind that the Townsville office is not the only office enjoying the sport of ruining people's lives.
It is just the one that consistently over achieves in this sport.
Over your side of the continent, you are referred to AAT hearing "Repacholi vs CASA".
CASA noted in their evidence that the operator "looked at me with a threatening look and made gutteral sounds".
You can imagine how distressed the CASA person must have felt at this lack of appreciation for having done his job.
Whilst there is no doubt that a good thrashing is in order for these offenders, that would merely make the offenders martyrs.
Such actions are often accepted as the justifiable reaction of an aggrieved person when properly represented in a court.
These people want recognition for the job they have done.
That can be adequately covered by exposing them, having them charged for their criminal activities and having them sentenced to gaol.
That they may be occassionally sodomised in gaol might then help them reflect on what it is that they have been doing to others.
Other solutions are "Tar and Feathering", but this is no longer in vogue, nor is being placed in stocks in the market square.
Somehow, just sacking them, with the associated BIG payouts doesn't seem adequate.
These are some suggestions of what they deserve,
reality says they will be counselled and possibly transferred to Canberra to stocktake pencils and paperclips on their six figure salaries.
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........Even more paperwork=stuff this
Some tell they just wear you down Wizardbloke, I can understand the outrite hostility some feel. It almost seems they are going out of their way to cripple GA, the only reasonable thing I've seen is the treatment of the company with the Bandit that had a the fuel systems failure in the Territory.
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How right you are - having spent time at the AAT (witness) and been subject to the questions of CASA's legal counsel, one wonders how you are allowed to write the word aviation, much less commit it! More info after the decision is handed down!!
How right you are - having spent time at the AAT (witness) and been subject to the questions of CASA's legal counsel, one wonders how you are allowed to write the word aviation, much less commit it! More info after the decision is handed down!!
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Air Ace
So what. I have often ferried an aircraft, with just me on board, which I, as the pilot, considered safe but that somewhere in the multi-interpreted rules would have required a LAME to be flown out.
Industry simply can't afford such bull**** over-the-top unrealsitic rules!!!
A general point.
Has it ever occured to the 'dobber morons' here that perhaps the miscreant Tvl Office, like all bullies, isn't likely to attack someone who both knows the rules and has the dirt on them.
Back to my original opinion on the backstabber CASA helpers in our industry. The sooner you are driven out the better.
max
So what. I have often ferried an aircraft, with just me on board, which I, as the pilot, considered safe but that somewhere in the multi-interpreted rules would have required a LAME to be flown out.
Industry simply can't afford such bull**** over-the-top unrealsitic rules!!!
A general point.
Has it ever occured to the 'dobber morons' here that perhaps the miscreant Tvl Office, like all bullies, isn't likely to attack someone who both knows the rules and has the dirt on them.
Back to my original opinion on the backstabber CASA helpers in our industry. The sooner you are driven out the better.
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I was simply extrapolating a summary of the points which appear to relate an aircraft accident at Brampton Island to alleged malfeasance by CASA, Townville.
Aside from information contained in this thread, I have no knowledge of the affair, live far from the area, have never met those alleged to be involved, nor (to my knowledge) know those who have posted anonymously to this thread.
I am aware of the alleged malingering incompetence and bastardry which has existed in CASA far north Queensland offices for many years.
Now you make an extraordinary post, wherein:[list=1][*]You suggest you know the rules but consider them “bull**** over-the-top unrealsitic rules.”?
[*]You admit to "often" operating an aircraft in an unsafe manner? Am I to read into your post you may have been PIC on the ferry flight in respect to the Brampton Island accident?
[*]You suggest “the miscreant Tvl Office, like all bullies, isn't likely to attack someone who both knows the rules and has the dirt on them”? You know the rules, confirm in your opinion the Townville office has serious and systemic management deficiencies (at the very least….!) and suggest you have “the dirt” on the CASA Townsville office?
[*]You admit the CASA, Townville “miscreant” office “bullies” operators and you have “dirt on them”, yet suggest anyone wishing to expose these same CASA problems are “dobber morons”? One could draw the conclusion you are satisfied with the status quo as you have protection – a “preferential arrangement” perhaps - in place?[/list=1]
I see. Extraordinary and amazing!!
I rest my case!!
I was simply extrapolating a summary of the points which appear to relate an aircraft accident at Brampton Island to alleged malfeasance by CASA, Townville.
Aside from information contained in this thread, I have no knowledge of the affair, live far from the area, have never met those alleged to be involved, nor (to my knowledge) know those who have posted anonymously to this thread.
I am aware of the alleged malingering incompetence and bastardry which has existed in CASA far north Queensland offices for many years.
Now you make an extraordinary post, wherein:[list=1][*]You suggest you know the rules but consider them “bull**** over-the-top unrealsitic rules.”?
[*]You admit to "often" operating an aircraft in an unsafe manner? Am I to read into your post you may have been PIC on the ferry flight in respect to the Brampton Island accident?
[*]You suggest “the miscreant Tvl Office, like all bullies, isn't likely to attack someone who both knows the rules and has the dirt on them”? You know the rules, confirm in your opinion the Townville office has serious and systemic management deficiencies (at the very least….!) and suggest you have “the dirt” on the CASA Townsville office?
[*]You admit the CASA, Townville “miscreant” office “bullies” operators and you have “dirt on them”, yet suggest anyone wishing to expose these same CASA problems are “dobber morons”? One could draw the conclusion you are satisfied with the status quo as you have protection – a “preferential arrangement” perhaps - in place?[/list=1]
I see. Extraordinary and amazing!!
I rest my case!!
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Air Ace and Maximus B
Probably at this point the main issue is that it can be clearly established that the FNQAO, Townsville has very serious problems.
It is regrettable that the BPI incident has probably blown a little out of proportion.
Whatever happened is a minor incident and will be investigated and classified to ATSB.
The FNQAO sometimes does not want to wait for a signal from ATSB that a regulatory problem exists,
they are very well known for their pre-empting of any formal investigation,
even attempting to sway the ATSB to think their way.
At other times, in incidents other than this one, they have been known to show a lack of interest.
The real issues are
1. The FNQAO does not treat all equally, some it hounds to extinction if possible, others are left alone.
Some display of impartiality over the years may have averted the inevitable unmasking.
2. The FNQAO is capable of the most despicable behaviour, as stated in their latest AAT foray. That this behaviour is in fact primarily criminal is of major concern.
3. The Director of CASA is acutely aware of the problem but doesn't know how to handle the resolution.
4. The new AM has a most invidious task of sifting chaff from straw, guided by those who know they've overstepped the mark, repeatedly.
In fact, one way or another, his future career rests on decisive action.
If he fails to sack the offenders, they will ensure his demise, they have an established track record of attack from within.
If he reaches the correct decision and moves them on, will BB be grateful that his dilemma has been solved?
2005 promises to be an interesting year.
Probably at this point the main issue is that it can be clearly established that the FNQAO, Townsville has very serious problems.
It is regrettable that the BPI incident has probably blown a little out of proportion.
Whatever happened is a minor incident and will be investigated and classified to ATSB.
The FNQAO sometimes does not want to wait for a signal from ATSB that a regulatory problem exists,
they are very well known for their pre-empting of any formal investigation,
even attempting to sway the ATSB to think their way.
At other times, in incidents other than this one, they have been known to show a lack of interest.
The real issues are
1. The FNQAO does not treat all equally, some it hounds to extinction if possible, others are left alone.
Some display of impartiality over the years may have averted the inevitable unmasking.
2. The FNQAO is capable of the most despicable behaviour, as stated in their latest AAT foray. That this behaviour is in fact primarily criminal is of major concern.
3. The Director of CASA is acutely aware of the problem but doesn't know how to handle the resolution.
4. The new AM has a most invidious task of sifting chaff from straw, guided by those who know they've overstepped the mark, repeatedly.
In fact, one way or another, his future career rests on decisive action.
If he fails to sack the offenders, they will ensure his demise, they have an established track record of attack from within.
If he reaches the correct decision and moves them on, will BB be grateful that his dilemma has been solved?
2005 promises to be an interesting year.
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Since the furthest north I have been in 2 years is Coffs, I'd suggest resting is where your rather sad case should be.
Good fair law is to obey, bad criminal law neds to be disobeyed.
Only cowards obey stupid rules.
max
Since the furthest north I have been in 2 years is Coffs, I'd suggest resting is where your rather sad case should be.
Good fair law is to obey, bad criminal law neds to be disobeyed.
Only cowards obey stupid rules.
max
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"Good fair law is to obey, bad criminal law neds (sic) to be disobeyed.
Only cowards obey stupid rules."
And your policies can only lead to anarchy. Who decides what are "bad criminal law" and "stupid rules" - you???
God help us if there are too many more with your philosophies in Australian aviation.
Only cowards obey stupid rules."
And your policies can only lead to anarchy. Who decides what are "bad criminal law" and "stupid rules" - you???
God help us if there are too many more with your philosophies in Australian aviation.
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You both are on the right track with the well known history of CASA Townsville misconduct.
Can I suggest to you both that the BPI incident is a non event,
and that the industry needs to focus it's angst toward CASA misconduct.
General Aviation needs to temporarily put aside it's differences
and unite to help in the aviation reforms that Byron desperately desires to happen.
Bruce Byron and the new Area Manager Townsville have signalled their intent to put things right.
They both espouse a consultative, mentoring role with industry, rather than the adversarial role with which all of us are familiar.
They have both been rebuffed from within, but they will not waiver,
Byron has finally started the sackings,industry know that at least twenty were needed in Canberra, so now 17 remain.
The Townsville area manager now has to work through a process that should mirror Byron's approach to the rebels of reform.
If you have genuine disappointments with the regulator, contact Nicola Hinder, CASA,
preferably via the CASA website complaints and compliments page.
Likewise, if you have had good service, let her know.
Reform is coming, it is inevitable and well overdue.
It will not sit comfotably with some in CASA, hopefully they will resign before they are sacked.
Quite a few would like to take their knitting to the guillotine and watch with satisfaction.
Revolutions are always bloody, and history confirms, nearly always necessary.
You both are on the right track with the well known history of CASA Townsville misconduct.
Can I suggest to you both that the BPI incident is a non event,
and that the industry needs to focus it's angst toward CASA misconduct.
General Aviation needs to temporarily put aside it's differences
and unite to help in the aviation reforms that Byron desperately desires to happen.
Bruce Byron and the new Area Manager Townsville have signalled their intent to put things right.
They both espouse a consultative, mentoring role with industry, rather than the adversarial role with which all of us are familiar.
They have both been rebuffed from within, but they will not waiver,
Byron has finally started the sackings,industry know that at least twenty were needed in Canberra, so now 17 remain.
The Townsville area manager now has to work through a process that should mirror Byron's approach to the rebels of reform.
If you have genuine disappointments with the regulator, contact Nicola Hinder, CASA,
preferably via the CASA website complaints and compliments page.
Likewise, if you have had good service, let her know.
Reform is coming, it is inevitable and well overdue.
It will not sit comfotably with some in CASA, hopefully they will resign before they are sacked.
Quite a few would like to take their knitting to the guillotine and watch with satisfaction.
Revolutions are always bloody, and history confirms, nearly always necessary.
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Air Ace
Some examples. A CASA FOI decides I must have a LAME sign off (or carry out) a windscreen clean; or CASA writes it into the Regs.
Bad 'law' I will not obey it.
Somehow CASA decides I can no longer change oil or clean sparkplugs despite having been doing it for 25 years.
Bad 'law', I will not obey it.
CASA deems I can no longer do sched 8 stuff.
Bad 'law', I will not obey it.
Who decides, I do, because I don't trust CASA.
Anarchy, perhaps. But then, when the regulator turns feral, the Minister is having a blonde century and GA is too busy tearing its own throat out, anarchy is bound to happen.
Max
Some examples. A CASA FOI decides I must have a LAME sign off (or carry out) a windscreen clean; or CASA writes it into the Regs.
Bad 'law' I will not obey it.
Somehow CASA decides I can no longer change oil or clean sparkplugs despite having been doing it for 25 years.
Bad 'law', I will not obey it.
CASA deems I can no longer do sched 8 stuff.
Bad 'law', I will not obey it.
Who decides, I do, because I don't trust CASA.
Anarchy, perhaps. But then, when the regulator turns feral, the Minister is having a blonde century and GA is too busy tearing its own throat out, anarchy is bound to happen.
Max
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Now we're getting to crux of the matter.
DOES ANYONE HAVE TRUST, CONFIDENCE or RESPECT for CASA as it is at present??
Speak louder, I can't hear you !
Bruce Byron knows this and has initiated moves to attempt to restore TRUST, Confidence and Respect,
instead of the Loathing and Contempt that the rogue element has engendered.
There are many in CASA who are going to fight this reform with considerable energy, simply because it threatens their existence.
On with the revolution, erect the guillotine and the gallows and let's purge the misfits, let them understand the way and the life.
I don't trust CAsa
DOES ANYONE HAVE TRUST, CONFIDENCE or RESPECT for CASA as it is at present??
Speak louder, I can't hear you !
Bruce Byron knows this and has initiated moves to attempt to restore TRUST, Confidence and Respect,
instead of the Loathing and Contempt that the rogue element has engendered.
There are many in CASA who are going to fight this reform with considerable energy, simply because it threatens their existence.
On with the revolution, erect the guillotine and the gallows and let's purge the misfits, let them understand the way and the life.
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This thread has helped expose the Townsville office and served it's purpose well.
Suggest all further posts go to "BB, FNQ" or "CASA Serious Problems"
The Truth is out there. Keep looking BB, AC and others, you will find it.
Suggest all further posts go to "BB, FNQ" or "CASA Serious Problems"
The Truth is out there. Keep looking BB, AC and others, you will find it.
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In response to the letter from CASA thread, I would like to assure readers that I was in no way encouraging any threats toward any CASA staff.
I was only expressing surprise, that if these alledged incidents were occuring with as much vindictivness and regularity as was being reported, that somebody hadn't lost the plot and got all personal about it.
I in no way encourage or condone such behaviour.
I was only expressing surprise, that if these alledged incidents were occuring with as much vindictivness and regularity as was being reported, that somebody hadn't lost the plot and got all personal about it.
I in no way encourage or condone such behaviour.