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FourStripes 1st Sep 2023 00:13


In line with recent posts, they don't want foreign Airline Pilots there. The Case Was Denied.

FAA ATP, CFI, CFI-I
Bachelor's Degree from a U.S. University (Aviation major)
10 years+ aviation work experience
5000h+ TT
Previously FAA Part 135 FO
A320 FO in a European flag carrier
Besides U.S. instructor experience, Line Training Captain in Europe on a turboprop, among other positions in aviation
Conditional Job Offer from a East Coast Part 135 company (DEC + instructor position)
5 Reference Letters, and Expert Opinion Letter by a U.S. University Professor
Helped save lives of American SOF in Afghanistan (also other deployments)

Yet they hand out visas to interpreters and Afghans who don't know how to read or speak English, as they hand out to a Russian Crossfit (brand, not a pro sport) athlete who can't speak English and his family.

And the Immigration Lawyer offices keep advertising that regular Airline Pilots who have 10+ years work experience can qualify for the EB-2 NIW.

As 1st Sgt Edward Welsh stated in The Thin Red Line, "They want you dead, or in their lie.", more fittingly: "They want your money, and in their lie."

Your experience looks good on paper. Maybe your lawyers did not capitalize on them and was not able to frame the case properly. Also the timing of your NIW case plays a big factor as well and if it was transferred to a Service Center that is known for turning down NIW cases. lots of variables to consider. Mine got transferred to NBC in Missouri and got approved.

FalseGS 1st Sep 2023 17:19

The end result has become so subjective depending on the case officer.

I had an FAA commercial certificate and, evidently, it was enough.
No extraordinary qualifications but didn't seem to matter.

As mentioned, the region your file is sent to might make the difference.
My file went to Nebraska and was approved within two weeks.

Sadly, it's starting to look like luck plays a bigger role than a candidate's qualifications.
Good luck to all.

FourStripes 2nd Sep 2023 04:40

Effective Sep 1. 2023 Visa Bulletin

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tume 3rd Sep 2023 08:30

The only possible address to file I-140 by itself outside the U.S. is Dallas, TX (USPS)/Lewisville, TX (Fedex/UPS). And the only place to send the RFE response (which this was) is Irving, TX. All I know, the same officer could have processed both of them. It's all a crapshoot.


Originally Posted by FourStripes (Post 11495152)
Also the timing of your NIW case plays a big factor as well and if it was transferred to a Service Center that is known for turning down NIW cases. lots of variables to consider. Mine got transferred to NBC in Missouri and got approved.


zerograv 4th Sep 2023 10:36


Originally Posted by FourStripes (Post 11495153)
And yes, Atlas Air did sponsor in the early part of 2022.

I did an ATP-CTP with Atlas in March 2022. Did ask if there was any chance, and essentially was told ... not the case.

Are you from Aussieland ? It's a different ball game if you are from Australia.


As mentioned, the region your file is sent to might make the difference.
My file went to Nebraska and was approved within two weeks.
It's my understanding that applicants from 'North America', that is to say, Canada and Mexico, have a different processing channel, which, from what you say, also includes Nebraska.
The rest of the world, it seems, it is only via Lewisville and/or Irving TX.

bentley01 4th Sep 2023 21:13

We,like the idea of a move to the US as a family but I wonder at 54 if I am too old to be approved for the visa. I have around 15000 hours and I am a TRE on three jet types including the B738. Is this considered exceptional in terms of the criteria?

FourStripes 9th Sep 2023 01:12


Originally Posted by bentley01 (Post 11497142)
We,like the idea of a move to the US as a family but I wonder at 54 if I am too old to be approved for the visa. I have around 15000 hours and I am a TRE on three jet types including the B738. Is this considered exceptional in terms of the criteria?

You will never know until you try.
You have nothing to lose if you write your own case. And depending on how you frame your arguments maybe 54 is not such a bad age.
I am sure you can spare $700 dollars for the filing fee plus courier charges. If not, stay where you are.

fenirlix 10th Sep 2023 12:33

Any FO success in petition?

tume 15th Sep 2023 20:47


Originally Posted by YYZ_bound (Post 11456315)
I was just about my highest degree, and if I'm planning to work as a pilot in the US.
no, we haven't landed in the US yet. But you have to pay before you go to the border.
I don't think there will be any.
Good luck!

YYZ_bound can you make room in your inbox? Thanks.

FourStripes 16th Sep 2023 07:37

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Effective October 1, 2023

Commuting101 17th Sep 2023 01:56

Maybe the law firms who read this read could chime in and let us know how the fact that the EB2 that’s usually current at the start of the fiscal year is now 15 months in arrears? Is it because of over demand? Will it move forward gradually month to month or now only every quarter?
I guess it’s fair to say - 2 years from initial interview with a law firm to getting the visa is now optimistic at best.

FourStripes 18th Sep 2023 04:43


Originally Posted by Commuting101 (Post 11503941)
how the fact that the EB2 that’s usually current at the start of the fiscal year is now 15 months in arrears?
Is it because of over demand? Will it move forward gradually month to month or now only every quarter?
I guess it’s fair to say - 2 years from initial interview with a law firm to getting the visa is now optimistic at best.

It will move when NVC determines the worldwide supply is slowly increasing. NVC has the job to balance the 56,342 EB visa to the worldwide demand. Every country has an annual cap of 3,943 EB2 visa to be issued.
2 years is a good metric from your receipt date until you are standing in front of the interview window of the US Embassy in your home country.

hunterboy 18th Sep 2023 16:21

Just in time for the next downturn in the aviation sector then.

FourStripes 19th Sep 2023 01:11


Originally Posted by hunterboy (Post 11504814)
Just in time for the next downturn in the aviation sector then.

The good thing with the EB2 case is you end up with a green card and be legal to work in any industry without the fear of being deported. If you have other skills like flipping burgers, you won't have to worry about ICE hunting you down to be deported.

polarisfib 4th Oct 2023 13:42


Originally Posted by FourStripes (Post 11495152)
Your experience looks good on paper. Maybe your lawyers did not capitalize on them and was not able to frame the case properly. Also the timing of your NIW case plays a big factor as well and if it was transferred to a Service Center that is known for turning down NIW cases. lots of variables to consider. Mine got transferred to NBC in Missouri and got approved.

NBC in Missouri? I thought only Texas and Nebraska was possible.....

FourStripes 4th Oct 2023 22:35

Texas Service Center forwarded it to NBC. USCIS moves cases to other Service Centers to equalize work load. This is another factor if your case gets approved or not. There are other Service Centers that are known to deny or ask for more evidence after the initial submission.

FourStripes 5th Oct 2023 06:29

The 2025 Diversity Visa Program is now open!
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Commuting101 8th Oct 2023 22:52

Moved forward another week. At this rate the EB2 is in trouble. Buyer beware.

Jose Leon - how do you see the next few bulletins playing out? And the future - will the EB2 catch up again?

JoseLeon 15th Oct 2023 17:37

We received two approvals last week.

Profiles:

Profile 1: Wide body FO with over 10 years experience, no degree.
Profile 2: Regional CA with a mechanical engineering degree.


JoseLeon 15th Oct 2023 17:54


Originally Posted by bentley01 (Post 11497142)
We,like the idea of a move to the US as a family but I wonder at 54 if I am too old to be approved for the visa. I have around 15000 hours and I am a TRE on three jet types including the B738. Is this considered exceptional in terms of the criteria?

I think you would have a solid foundation, however, I would have to see your entire profile.


FourStripes 19th Oct 2023 00:39

Effective November 1, 2023

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LTCTerry 24th Oct 2023 21:23

The interpreters risked their life to help the US Military. Keeping them from being murdered is not such a bad reward.

CL605driver 8th Nov 2023 08:36

Reading this all with great interest.

Sooo, Im 50, had an extensive career in business aviation and am an airline captain nowadays.
10.000 hours+, 3000 hours PIC A320/B737.

If I manage to get the EB-2 visa I have to fly as a FO for at least a 1000 hours.
What is is the better option, go for a major airline and hope to upgrade in a year and a half? PIC for a 135 on a CRJ or back into business aviation?.

And regarding the business aviation part, I don't want to be on standby the whole time and have a great income (I know )

Quality of life thing and such...

What's the feedback here?

FourStripes 8th Nov 2023 22:41


Originally Posted by CL605driver (Post 11535360)
Reading this all with great interest.

Sooo, Im 50, had an extensive career in business aviation and am an airline captain nowadays.
10.000 hours+, 3000 hours PIC A320/B737.

If I manage to get the EB-2 visa I have to fly as a FO for at least a 1000 hours.
What is is the better option, go for a major airline and hope to upgrade in a year and a half? PIC for a 135 on a CRJ or back into business aviation?.

And regarding the business aviation part, I don't want to be on standby the whole time and have a great income (I know )

Quality of life thing and such...

What's the feedback here?

Some points to consider:

1. Assuming you send in your packet today. It will take you 24 months to actually have the visa in your passport. Are you willing to wait that long?
2. If you are focused on this endeavor will you write your own case or will you seek a good immigration lawyer?
3. Because of Part 121.436 PIC upgrade can only be possible after 1000 hours with a 121 ops carrier. The workaround is go Part 135 PIC as soon as you land Stateside.
4. Lots of Part 91 jobs as well, you also need to have a good network if you are a bit picky about QOL.
5. Do you have any FAA certificates?


Sunrig 8th Nov 2023 23:02


Originally Posted by CL605driver (Post 11535360)
Reading this all with great interest.

Sooo, Im 50, had an extensive career in business aviation and am an airline captain nowadays.
10.000 hours+, 3000 hours PIC A320/B737.

If I manage to get the EB-2 visa I have to fly as a FO for at least a 1000 hours.
What is is the better option, go for a major airline and hope to upgrade in a year and a half? PIC for a 135 on a CRJ or back into business aviation?.

And regarding the business aviation part, I don't want to be on standby the whole time and have a great income (I know )

Quality of life thing and such...

What's the feedback here?

Since you mentioned QOL and not wanting to be on reserve/ standby….
I wouldn’t recommend taking the first available upgrade at an airline then. The US are very different when it comes to scheduling. It’s all seniority based. Life as a junior Captain is for most people not something that is desirable.
Usually your life will be better in the right seat. That’s why you see so many “old” FOs here. You will have more days off, weekends off, get your vacation when you want to and have the opportunity to make double pay by getting premium trips. That basically results in similar pay to a Captain but with way better QOL. I can’t speak for corporate or business aviation. Good luck. I don’t regret the move.

migrant 11th Nov 2023 19:44

Hi Everyone!

I’m excited to share that my EB-2 NIW (National Interest Waiver) petition has been approved! 🎉

This journey was challenging, to say the least, and it involved responding to a seventeen page Request for Evidence (RFE). I must admit, at first, I wasn’t even sure if we should take on this uphill battle.

After careful consideration with my attorney and paralegal, we decided to go ahead and respond to the RFE, taking the chance to fight for the approval. After all, you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take but it’s definitely a very challenging process overall.
Submitted the i-140 (eb2 niw with premium processing) in June, RFE in July, response to RFE in a the beginning of October and final approval just a couple of days ago.

I’m 41, 10.000hrs mostly in Airbus (a320/330/340), 4.000 PIC. Bachelors degree in Aviation from Sydney. Additionally, entrepreneurial background in two previous businesses and training experience as LTC.

Good luck to everyone pursuing this path!


bafanguy 11th Nov 2023 23:08

migrant,

Congrats on your considerable effort. What's your goal in the USA now that you have the legal ability to live/work here ?

Have you communicated with any airlines here ?

Do you have FAA tickets ?

FourStripes 19th Nov 2023 21:24

Can we get a survey of those at the NVC stage and is waiting for the Visa Bulletin to advance. Indicate your priority date as well.

Priority Date:
Consulate or Embassy:


737pilotguy 22nd Nov 2023 08:35


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 11537563)
migrant,

Congrats on your considerable effort. What's your goal in the USA now that you have the legal ability to live/work here ?

Have you communicated with any airlines here ?

Do you have FAA tickets ?


I'm quite sure that you can't apply to the legacies without having the actual green card in hand, and a social security number, unless you have some "backdoor contacts" to apply through. If you do, please message me 🙏 I've got an FAA ATP and just waiting for the green card to move over. My petition for an EB2 was approved in October 2022. I've been waiting for my priority date to become current and to get an embassy interview since May 2023.
My priority date is 19th of September 2022, embassy in Europe.

migrant 22nd Nov 2023 13:12

Hi guys,

I still haven’t done the FAA licence conversion, any suggestions for training centers in the Miami area? Prices have gone up quite a lot. It should take a while for my interview since priority date is June/23.

Thanks

bafanguy 22nd Nov 2023 13:43


Originally Posted by migrant (Post 11544118)
Hi guys,

I still haven’t done the FAA licence conversion, any suggestions for training centers in the Miami area? Prices have gone up quite a lot. It should take a while for my interview since priority date is June/23.

Thanks

migrant,

There are a few in KMIA but I can't attest to the quality of any of them. Pan AM Academy is a long time provider. You didn't mention what aircraft type you'd be using so that may influence your choice. You can Google to see the available ones.

At the risk of telling you something you already know, you'll have to take that ATP-CTP course to be allowed to take the ATP written. This will be an expensive slap in the face to someone like you but it's government at work. I don't know if all the training providers in KMIA also offer the ATP-CTP course so that might also influence your choice. Pan Am Academy appears to offer it.

Sunrig 22nd Nov 2023 15:28


Originally Posted by migrant (Post 11544118)
Hi guys,

I still haven’t done the FAA licence conversion, any suggestions for training centers in the Miami area? Prices have gone up quite a lot. It should take a while for my interview since priority date is June/23.

Thanks

I did it in 2018 at Pan Am. I did a shortened Type rating course that was really quick. Everything was a bit disorganized but it worked out fine. Just be aware that you need a TSA clearance anytime you train in a simulator. That can take a couple of months to get approved for the first time.

737pilotguy 22nd Nov 2023 16:12

I completed my ATP at FTI in Miami, they had greater flexibility regarding scheduling than PanAm did, in my case. For the ATP-CTP, as previously stated, it's not an efficient use of time nor money for pilots already flying commercially and flying jets. Find the cheapest provider you can find. I have colleagues who got a discount doing both at the same provider. FAA has a pdf with approved ATP-CTP providers (https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/fi..._Providers.pdf).

FourStripes 23rd Nov 2023 06:16

To migrant:

What date is your Priority Date?

losbol 25th Nov 2023 20:40

Good evening,

I have an appointment with these guys. But I postponed it once already due to the finances.
alliance-training.com
I have one colleaugue who gave me a good review. When I am finished I will sent you guys my review. They promise an interview with an airline and possibly a job...

bafanguy 25th Nov 2023 21:46


Originally Posted by losbol (Post 11545975)
I have an appointment with these guys.. They promise an interview with an airline and possibly a job...

losbol,

Interesting that Alliance Training is promising an interview. I looked at their website and find that only Avelo Airlines is mentioned. So, can I assume that's the airline they offer an interview with ?

Also, what visa/citizenship status do you have that would enable you to accept a job with someone like Avelo ? Is Avelo helping people with visas, etc ?

FourStripes 26th Nov 2023 03:14


Originally Posted by losbol (Post 11545975)
Good evening,

I have an appointment with these guys. But I postponed it once already due to the finances.
alliance-training.com
I have one colleaugue who gave me a good review. When I am finished I will sent you guys my review. They promise an interview with an airline and possibly a job...

You will interview with them, but you need to pay for the TR then after getting the TR they will endorse you to Avelo. Avelo then will decide if you are worth sponsoring. All in all you still need to to pay. You are better off applying with the DV visa or write your own EB2-NIW case.



losbol 27th Nov 2023 11:01

Greencard sponsors
 
Good morning Bafanguy, and Fourstripes

From what information I got I actually only need them for the ATP CTP. Dutch nationality.
Avelo is a nice airline if you value QOL. From my conversation with them that is what was told to me, an interview and possibly a job at Avelo.
But as Fourstripes correctly stated a part of it is probably marketing. Once you have your greencard you can head ANYWHERE. even with my limited experience (1900 hrs TT/F50 and 737).

I went to a job fair last September and my impression is that the following airlines are willing to look at foreigners. EB2-NIW to be specific.
1) Breeze
2) Allegiant
3) Avelo
4) Skywest (via Rishworth)\
5) Atlas Air

Also have a look at this database. Here you can find the companies who have sponsored greencards in the past years, and most importantly the legal teams that assisted in the process. Immihelp is the wbsite. I cannot post url yet so wiill do that later..

The H1b is more popular since they have a bit more control over you as a pilot....

Regards

FourStripes 28th Nov 2023 01:17

losbol

Did you actually apply via Alliance?
If you do, It would be interesting to know how exactly will they sponsor foreign pilots. Will it be H-1B or EB-3?

Do let us know.

4S

losbol 2nd Dec 2023 22:47

Results of H1B Sponsors pilot - 2023 - Page 1 (immihelp.com)

Results of Greencard Sponsors pilot - 2023 - Page 3 (immihelp.com)


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