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bafanguy 12th Feb 2023 21:01


Originally Posted by BAe 146-100 (Post 11384703)
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but spending hours applying for airlines in the US will ultimately be a waste of time as you will constantly have to answer the same question on the application and even be asked again by the HR.

What you say is very likely correct. But since contacting the HR people at every airline is so easy these days I suggested he do that, at a minimum, to satisfy himself he'd left no stone unturned in researching the possibilities that might be available to him...a no-cost effort.

Things change and you never know when you might stumble upon an opportunity.

BAe 146-100 13th Feb 2023 00:08

I guess, although those HR departments will be thinking wow he spent all that time on a app and then ticked No for US work authorisation?! Having said that I suppose the filtering will be done automatically anyway, it will auto reject you out as soon as you click no.

JoseLeon 18th Feb 2023 00:01


Originally Posted by BAe 146-100 (Post 11384773)
I guess, although those HR departments will be thinking wow he spent all that time on a app and then ticked No for US work authorisation?! Having said that I suppose the filtering will be done automatically anyway, it will auto reject you out as soon as you click no.


The apps should allow you to build your profile without submitting it. I would submit it once the green card is obtained.






bafanguy 18th Feb 2023 11:34


Originally Posted by BAe 146-100 (Post 11384773)
Having said that I suppose the filtering will be done automatically anyway, it will auto reject you out as soon as you click no.

BAe 146-100,

Yes, very likely in a formal application (and they're a pain in the neck to fill out). But...my poorly-made point is that one never knows what's going on behind the curtain in the airline HR world (how bad is the "shortage" ?). They occasionally do things that don't necessarily get advertised promptly. At least by contacting these HR people directly, he may discover something...or not. In any event, a few emails to them containing his resume and questions are low cost efforts. Just a thought...

JoseLeon 26th Feb 2023 00:54


Originally Posted by Busdriver01 (Post 11383396)
Hi everyone, British A320 FO here, 2500hrs, 27yo. No green card etc and UK CAA licence - but very keen to explore options in the states. Would I have a shot at a legacy at my age/experience or would I need to be looking at a regional first, or similar? If i did move out, would the career progress be fairly fast due to retirements/expansion? And how are pilots like me received/perceived in the states? (ie, got an A320 job straight out of integrated ATPL training, didn't do the hour building/PIC route that is common in the states as it's not how it's done over here?)

Thanks!

Hello Busdriver01,

You would definitely have a shot at a legacy and a high probability of success at a low cost carrier. You will not have any issues with the pilots as these are big corporations and you will be just like any other pilot. Your main issue will be obtaining the green card. Based on your brief description, you don't seem to qualify for an EB2-NIW without further analysis of your qualifications. J.

Busdriver01 3rd Mar 2023 08:31


Originally Posted by JoseLeon (Post 11391696)
Hello Busdriver01,

You would definitely have a shot at a legacy and a high probability of success at a low cost carrier. You will not have any issues with the pilots as these are big corporations and you will be just like any other pilot. Your main issue will be obtaining the green card. Based on your brief description, you don't seem to qualify for an EB2-NIW without further analysis of your qualifications. J.

Thanks! I have done more research and agree it seems unlikely i'd get anywhere unless a sponsorship for a work visa was on offer from the airline, or the Govt. do a visa waiver etc. I wont hold my breath..!

bafanguy 3rd Mar 2023 23:06

I guess this involves some kind of visa stuff ? What does a year of masters classes have to do with getting a B737 job ?

"B737 NG First Officer and Captain employment in the USA after one (1) year of Master's degree classes."

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/18033.html




Flocks 4th Mar 2023 13:36

If you have a master degree in Europe for example, you can join last year of an aeronautical master degree in USA what will give you a F1 student visa and once you complete your study (what maybe can be difficult, exam and all) will give you a work permit valid for 1 year as you did 1 year study in USA, so I believe this offer is just before you start your study you already have garantee to have an airline taking you once you complete the study and have the work permit.

​​​​​​IF during your study the economy goes bad or the airlines doesn't need you anymore, I m not sure what are your garantee there and I m also not sure what happened at the end of your one year work visa, probably because you have a job it can be extended but I m not an expert enough.
1 year university is also expensive (i would say 25K$) and also your work permit can only be in the field of your study, so if you do an aeronautical master, pilot is maybe ok, but if you study law you can t go for a pilot job.

Again, I m not an expert.

Too Low Terrain 11th Mar 2023 10:47

Does a TRE/TRI (A320) qualification add to the "market value" of an applicant ?
I have more than 20k hours on narrow body commercial jets and seriously consider to end my career in the US.
Would not mind sitting in the right seat either, don't need it for my ego....

Training position with a major carrier would also suit me well. Are there opportunities for this in general ?


bafanguy 11th Mar 2023 14:35


Originally Posted by Too Low Terrain (Post 11399453)
Does a TRE/TRI (A320) qualification add to the "market value" of an applicant ?
...seriously consider to end my career in the US.


Training position with a major carrier would also suit me well. Are there opportunities for this in general ?

TLT,

While your qualifications certainly have value it's hard to say if a particular airline would see them as value or someone not trainable to "their" way. They have some peculiar attitudes about some things.

My observation is that instructor pilots come in two versions: (1) those who are pilots on the airline's seniority list...(2) those hired as contractors but are not on the seniority list. I get the impression the non-seniority-list instructors aren't paid all that well. Those on the list are paid quite well.

Do you have the legal ability to live/work in the USA ?

You might ask your questions on jetcareers.com It's run by a Delta pilot with serious connections to Delta.

Here's a link to a discussion of one airline's instructor thing:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/d...uctor-pay.html

Chauderon 24th Mar 2023 00:54


Originally Posted by Flocks (Post 11395299)
If you have a master degree in Europe for example, you can join last year of an aeronautical master degree in USA what will give you a F1 student visa and once you complete your study (what maybe can be difficult, exam and all) will give you a work permit valid for 1 year as you did 1 year study in USA, so I believe this offer is just before you start your study you already have garantee to have an airline taking you once you complete the study and have the work permit.

​​​​​​IF during your study the economy goes bad or the airlines doesn't need you anymore, I m not sure what are your garantee there and I m also not sure what happened at the end of your one year work visa, probably because you have a job it can be extended but I m not an expert enough.
1 year university is also expensive (i would say 25K$) and also your work permit can only be in the field of your study, so if you do an aeronautical master, pilot is maybe ok, but if you study law you can t go for a pilot job.

Again, I m not an expert.

I can’t imagine an operator would take on a pilot with a student visa, who can only work for one year of which the first couple of months would be indoc and OE training?

vennnz 8th Apr 2023 18:45

actually is 3 years, 1 + 2. eagle jet say they have an airline willing to do that to fly 737, i wonder which airline is it.

FourStripes 9th Apr 2023 00:57

For those I-140 cases that got approved and are consular processing, have you received your interview letter?

how long from documentarily complete until you got the interview schedule?

Ecam321 11th Apr 2023 09:52


Originally Posted by FourStripes (Post 11416958)
For those I-140 cases that got approved and are consular processing, have you received your interview letter?

how long from documentarily complete until you got the interview schedule?

I think it depends on how busy the consulate that you nominated for your interview is. Some consulates will have plenty of open interview slots others in countries with a larger group of people wishing to emigrate will be backed up with no open slots at all.
This whole Green Card process is a waiting game, everything moves at a glacial pace.

FourStripes 14th Apr 2023 00:30

May 2023 Visa Bulletin is out.

4 months of retrogression to 15FEB22

fisher22 14th Apr 2023 02:26


Originally Posted by FourStripes (Post 11419559)
May 2023 Visa Bulletin is out.

4 months of retrogression to 15FEB22

And what does this mean exactly?

Ecam321 14th Apr 2023 03:37


Originally Posted by FourStripes (Post 11419559)
May 2023 Visa Bulletin is out.

4 months of retrogression to 15FEB22

I believe if you have already been notified by the NVC to go through with consular processing then you will still get allocated an interview when everything is right, even if your priority date is after 15th February.

This is from the state department:

This bulletin summarizes the availability of immigrant numbers during May for: “Final Action Dates” and “Dates for Filing Applications,” indicating when immigrant visa applicants should be notified to assemble and submit required documentation to the National Visa Center.

michael93 14th Apr 2023 11:26

Anyone with actual experience with Harvey Law Group? Could you PM me please? Have couple of questions about them, as they are advertised almost everywhere, thanks

yyzshill 24th Apr 2023 22:09

Hey everyone. 330 FO at Air Canada here currently 26, sitting around 2500 hours. Have an Aviation Bachelor Degree. Former Flight Instructor with a DH8/B737 type as well. How are the chances of getting hired direct at a legacy?

bafanguy 25th Apr 2023 08:13


Originally Posted by yyzshill (Post 11425471)
Hey everyone. 330 FO at Air Canada here currently 26, sitting around 2500 hours. Have an Aviation Bachelor Degree. Former Flight Instructor with a DH8/B737 type as well. How are the chances of getting hired direct at a legacy?

Do you have the legal ability to live/work in the USA ? Do you have an FAA license ?


P.S. Based on what I read, your quals seem competitive at the legacy level...and LCC. Good luck.

yyzshill 25th Apr 2023 12:05


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 11425607)
Do you have the legal ability to live/work in the USA ? Do you have an FAA license ?

will have it through spouse, working on conversion course shortly

bafanguy 25th Apr 2023 21:18


Originally Posted by yyzshill (Post 11425702)
will have it through spouse, working on conversion course shortly

Understand. At the risk of telling you something you already know, are you using this process or something else ?

I'm not sure what the timeline is for this vs going to KMIA and getting an FAA ATPL at a training company. If you have a TCCA CPL the process might be different ?:

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...AC_61-135A.pdf

FourStripes 27th Apr 2023 05:28

what is the breakdown of your hours? PIC/SIC/SIC jet/SIC turbine etc. Legacy carriers always like the breakdown.

FalseGS 27th Apr 2023 05:55

For pilots who have never worked previously with US carriers how do they navigate the PRIA requirements?

I dunno if that's the right term. But with no previous verifiable training and checking records, is that considered a disadvantage by the recruitment algorithms?

Seeing how competitive the field of candidates is, would this filter out new entrants into the US job market?

bafanguy 27th Apr 2023 09:34


Originally Posted by FalseGS (Post 11426421)
For pilots who have never worked previously with US carriers how do they navigate the PRIA requirements?

I dunno if that's the right term. But with no previous verifiable training and checking records, is that considered a disadvantage by the recruitment algorithms?

Seeing how competitive the field of candidates is, would this filter out new entrants into the US job market?


FGS,

IIUC, the PRIA request is only made after a pilot has been given a job offer and is part of the processing to begin employment. It has to be completed before a pilot "begins service as a pilot" or words to that effect. I don't think an airline jumps this hurdle for every applicant as part of the application process. And I think "begins service" means actually flying the line rather than starts training. But I assume an airline wants this PRIA/PRD stuff done before you start new-hire school. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

As for foreign pilots, there is an exception under PRIA:


"3.5.2 Good Faith Exception. You may allow an individual to begin service as a pilot 30 calendar-days after submitting the request without first obtaining information from a previous employer that has gone out of business, is in bankruptcy, or is a foreign government or operator that employed the individual if you make a documented attempt to obtain such information."

"5.7.1 PRIA Check. If you want to hire a pilot/applicant who has worked as a pilot for a foreign air carrier, you should request that individual’s PRIA records from the foreign carrier."

  1. 6.2.2 Terms Related to a Professional Pilot’s Employment.
    1. Placed into Service. Upon completion of the required company training, a pilot is released for service to begin performance as a pilot, usually under the supervision of a chief pilot or a training captain, for the prescribed period of time or flight hours. Under PRIA, a pilot cannot be placed into service until the hiring employer has requested, received, and evaluated the required records requested under PRIA, unless a good faith or other exception applies.



Advisory Circular 120-68G, June 21, 2016 (1 MB, PDF)

The whole thing is in transition from PRIA to the Pilot Records Database (PRD) and I haven't researched it to see if PRD is different from PRIA in that regard. I'd be surprised if it was:


"Operators currently comply with PRIA. Continued use of PRIA is required to support a successful transition to PRD. By September 9, 2024, the FAA intends to complete the transition from PRIA to PRD."

https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...cords-database

MarkerInbound 28th Apr 2023 04:01

Only US operators (121, 125, 135, 91k and some straight 91) are required to submit reports under part 111, the PRD. So there probably won’t be anything about a foreign pilot. Part 111 does say -

Reviewing entities may allow an individual to begin service as a pilot without first evaluating records in accordance with §111.105 only if the reviewing entity—

(a) Made a documented, good faith attempt to access all necessary information maintained in the PRD that the reviewing entity is required to evaluate; and

(b) Received notice from the Administrator that information is missing from the PRD pertaining to the individual’s employment history as a pilot.

So they have to ask and be told there are no records on that pilot.

bafanguy 28th Apr 2023 14:21

MI,

So it appears PRIA and PRD will treat a case like FalseGS the same way at the functional level, i.e., they can't penalize a pilot for information that isn't there ?

NGjockey 3rd May 2023 06:37

https://rishworthaviation.com/job/sk...t%20part%20121

It appears things are getting easier for foreigners...

FalseGS 3rd May 2023 17:15

I saw that as well.
I don't know how non Aussie pilots would qualify.
An under process/potential EB-2 application won't qualify for employment in any shape or form.
The E3 only applies to Australia.
Which visa sponsorship would they use to get your foot in the door?

The only upside with this program is their funding of your EB2 app. And I'm sure there will be riders attached to that.

A3X0 3rd May 2023 19:18

Cortes immigration law firm
 
Hello Everyone

i am looking at the possibility to get the green card/niw via the law CORTES IMMIGRATION.

Anyone can provide me with some information/feedback about this law firm? Competent? Customer service …

i would be grateful

thank you

a3xo

737pilotguy 3rd May 2023 19:22


Originally Posted by FalseGS (Post 11429614)
I saw that as well.
I don't know how non Aussie pilots would qualify.
An under process/potential EB-2 application won't qualify for employment in any shape or form.
The E3 only applies to Australia.
Which visa sponsorship would they use to get your foot in the door?

The only upside with this program is their funding of your EB2 app. And I'm sure there will be riders attached to that.

They don't even fund the process, they say they'll repay the expenses after training is complete. Plus, I'd imagine there is some kind of bond with Skywest afterwards.

FourStripes 4th May 2023 00:46


Originally Posted by NGjockey (Post 11429293)
https://rishworthaviation.com/job/sk...t%20part%20121

It appears things are getting easier for foreigners...

Looks like this program is most suitable for the Aussie pilots that need a sponsor for the E-3 visa.

The EB2-NIW visa is a self sponsoir visa, thus you don't need any airline to sponsor your petition. The only upside to this it seems is that they will reimburse the $700 filing fee for the EB2-NIW after you land stateside and ready to start and pass the training with them.

On the flipside, if you already have the visa and green card in hand you can choose any airline be it a regional or a legacy carrier, so no need to waste your time with rishworth unless you want your $700 as a refund.

Ecam321 4th May 2023 07:27


Originally Posted by NGjockey (Post 11429293)
https://rishworthaviation.com/job/sk...t%20part%20121

It appears things are getting easier for foreigners...

It appears that this might not even get off the ground in any meaningful way

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....87cc0e417.jpeg



737pilotguy 4th May 2023 10:49


Originally Posted by Ecam321 (Post 11429883)
It appears that this might not even get off the ground in any meaningful way

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....87cc0e417.jpeg

Exactly my thoughts as well. And it isn't the first time this part 135 stuff is attempted to bypass the 1,500 hours.

Ecam321 4th May 2023 11:03


Originally Posted by A3X0 (Post 11429667)
Hello Everyone

i am looking at the possibility to get the green card/niw via the law CORTES IMMIGRATION.

Anyone can provide me with some information/feedback about this law firm? Competent? Customer service …

i would be grateful

thank you

a3xo

I spoke with this firm before I started the process, I got the opinion that in terms of competency and customer service they would be great but they were very expensive, I also felt they would take on anyone regardless of their experience and qualifications. I went with a firm that was much much cheaper and wouldn’t take me as a client until they went through my qualifications and felt I had a fighting chance of success.

A3X0 4th May 2023 19:12


Originally Posted by Ecam321 (Post 11430018)
I spoke with this firm before I started the process, I got the opinion that in terms of competency and customer service they would be great but they were very expensive, I also felt they would take on anyone regardless of their experience and qualifications. I went with a firm that was much much cheaper and wouldn’t take me as a client until they went through my qualifications and felt I had a fighting chance of success.

thank you ECAM321 for your feedback. May I ask you please finally with which firm you are finally using?

Thank you once again

Ecam321 5th May 2023 02:10


Originally Posted by A3X0 (Post 11430193)
thank you ECAM321 for your feedback. May I ask you please finally with which firm you are finally using?

Thank you once again

Dunn Law, Bloomington Illinois

SIDS N STARS 5th May 2023 03:19

There is also an immigration lawyer who is registered on here. Maybe send him a PM and he can give you information specific to your situation.

I've heard good things about Harvey Law and Hayman Woodward, but I have not dealt with them personally

A3X0 5th May 2023 06:17

Thank you ECAM321 and SIDNSTARS for your precious feedback

By the way 3 firms have mentioned I am a good candidate and one mentioned that I am not

best regards

A3x0

Ecam321 5th May 2023 07:15


Originally Posted by A3X0 (Post 11430342)
Thank you ECAM321 and SIDNSTARS for your precious feedback

By the way 3 firms have mentioned I am a good candidate and one mentioned that I am not

best regards

A3x0

What I have learnt is that to be successful you need something extra other than 1000’s of hours. Any kind of training position will be of benefit, working in safety etc You have to be able to make the case that what you have to offer is going to benefit the US. and you have to have people to be able to write letters, testifying to that.

Good luck


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