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Old 2nd Oct 2009, 20:47
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Feel Air!

FEEL Air - We make long haul flying cheap, fast and differently enjoyable - Welcome onboard!

Setup. FEEL Air is a long haul low cost operator focusing on the Scandinavian leisure market. Initially, we fly out of Stockholm Arlanda and Oslo Gardermoen respectively non-stop to great far-away destinations. Our first destinations are New York (JFK) and Bangkok (BKK). All the initial routes are set and approved, we will disclose the launch date and fares when ticket sales open later.
Operation. First and foremost, we’re in the safety and quality business. We transport people safely from A to B with world class operations. We’ve hired the best people in the industry, raised the highest standards and operate new widebody aircraft equipment from Airbus.
- Vi skal fly langt, vi skal fly billig - DN.no


Rart Bjørn Kjos ikke har troen. Kanskje de kom han i forkjøpet?
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Vi får håpe de er bedre til å drive flyselskap enn de er til å lage websider, for disse var helt jævlige.
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This is a joke...right???
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Vi får håpe de er bedre til å drive flyselskap enn de er til å lage websider, for disse var helt jævlige.
For et selskap i oppstartsfasen er jo dette helt ok hjemmeside. Sist jeg sjekket pprune var dette en pilot forum... Kanskje du bør skifte forum om du vil diskutere hjemmesider.
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You want to make a bet whether this one ever flies or not?
Certainly hope it will, but would place my bet on no.
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I`ll bet this one flies. Disregard some of the media hype and BS, and read between the lines . Connect the dots and see the big picture. It shouldn`t take a rocket scientist to figure this one out .

But, appearantly, "everyone" is applying for a job with this company. I think the flight deck might be fully staffed already, but perhaps not other positions.
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Well, as long as you`re only a humble pilot... Just look at the players in this one. Who is who, and what are their backgrounds? What`s happening in DK, in a surprisingly timely manner?

I think that this has been brewing for a long time now, and they`ve just been waiting for the right time to fill a void for longhaul at OSL. I really hope they do well and prosper, but I just think it`s amusing how people get partially blinded by the term "cheap tickets" .

Or am I just feeding you with a conspiracy theory?
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Når jeg på ett minutt finner t/r priser på ca 4000 er det klart at det blir oppsiktsvekkende når de skal ligge "50% below".

Ingen LIKER vel lavkost, men vi finner oss i det i en time eller to for å spare 1000-2000. Lurer på hva disse folka legger i "differently enjoyable". Skrapelodd? I 9 timer?

Guttn, ikke vær så mystisk, kom med det du har i stedet for spørsmål som bare du skjønner.

Jeg ser bare en pensjonist fra direktørsjiktet fra SAS sine "stappmette" dager og han andre har drevet et nettreisebyrå med dårlig resultat. Luftige planer, men høres jo bra ut at man: "budsjetterer med positiv EBITDA på 48 millioner kroner i 2011." Blir moro å følge med.
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Correct. But I just checked SAS web site and it looks like they don't fly direct OSL-NY, is that really correct?!
You can get ticket from Oslo, via Stockholm, to NY for about 4500 DKK. So I guess if they can keep the same price and fly direct Oslo to New York then they could have a chance to attract some business.... But one route never made an airline. Not a successful one anyway.

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To fly, to ruter. Her lukter det langvarig ekstraopphold i øst eller vest dersom man får snag. Ta med ekstra underbukse
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Utrolig hvor mange eksperter på å drive flyselskap det er her inne på forumet?
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Ok, well here goes, and of course this is pure speculation on my own behalf, though it wouldn`t surprise me at all if this is how all this has come together

As most of us know, there has been an absence of longhaul from Norway for quite some some. Yes, Continental have been flying EWR-OSL for some years, but that`s about it when not taking into account this past year`s routes (as far as scheduled carriers are concerned). Although every prognosis and market evaluation has pointed in the same direction - that there is a market for longhaul out of Norway. Why hasn`t flag carrier SAS brought their A330/340s to OSL to be based there? I think most of us know why, and that behind that decision lies politics inhouse (and perhaps some unions...?). With that in mind, look at what is happening at SAS. It doesn`t look as if things are improving too much (albeit they just sold their BMI share to LH), and (my theory) I think they are very close to closing up shop. They have already put a couple of `buses on the ground from the longhaul fleet. A330s wasn`t it? Enter Mr. Lagarhus, who sees that the time is right and ripe to start longhaul ops from OSL and ARN. He has his finances for this project through DNBNOR Eiendom, which in itself is an achievement. So here`s how I think the story will unfold; SAS is sold off for next to nothing to LH (who probably have been dictating how to restructure SK for some time now) before long, FeelAir either leases or buys the remaining A330/340s from SK for cheapcheap (where did Mr.Lagarhus work previously?) and DNBNOR (or... the Noggie government) has a national airline to fit a growing market. Management (FeelAir) can then pick and choose from redundant and experienced SK crews and at the same time have no hassle with former unions. Of course, none of this is illegal, and in that matter isn`t really a conspiracy theory at all, but it shows how some things neatly can fit together. But hey, it`s just speculation on my part so don`t take it as a truth. It was just all the little things summed up that made me think.

ATP-Pilot, har du ikke hørt når piloter sier "hadde det ikke vært lurt om vi bare hadde...." osv? Vi er alle eksperter (tror vi), men ingen av oss driver flyselskap. Meninger er alltid moro

Men lykke til til FeelAir. Tipper flåten deres kommer til å vokse innen ett år er omme.
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Hva slags fly er det snakk om her..?

Continental flyr til Gardemoen med 757 og har vel et rimelig bra product til under 4000 kroner fra OSL til Østkysten av USA.

USair fløy også på OSL tidligere iår, men ser ut som de har lagt ned non-stop ruten. Med tilknytting i FRA er prislappen nede i 3400 kr.

Frddie Laker prøvde jo også lavris på langruter og PanAm måtte bare finne seg i å senke prisene for å konkurere, med den følgen at begge selskapene blødde ihjel sakte men sikkert.

Tror ikke det er mye margin på en flybillet i ekonomiklassen, men skal du ha håp om å tjene penger på slikt og for halv pris, må vel setene stå ganske tett sammen og fylles opp 100% på hver strekning.

Da blir vel turen så ubehagelig at folk gidder ikke å fly 8 til 10 timer som sardiner bare for å spare noen kroner.

Noe annet med kortrute nettet, man kan vel alltids pines litt i en time eller to for halv pris, men ikke til Bangkok og tilbake..

Eller kanskje noe for tenåringer som vil reise billig akkurat som når Inter-Rail begynte i 70 årene..Mange møkkete og sultne ungdommer reiste billig med ryggsekken sin og fikk se mye for en slikk og ingenting.

Har sett noen slike flyselskaper komme og gå gjennom årene og det er jo bra at noen enda tør, men det blir som regel på bekostning av andre's arbeidsplasser og i dagens marked er det vel ikke my krem å skumme på toppen av fløten.

Enden på visa er i mange tilfeller at investorene mistet store penger, folk flyr billig noen måneder, konkurenten taper penger, alle går med tap og enda flere flyvere og vertinner blir satt på bakken...Så begynner det hele på nytt igjen når noen får en ide og vill redde verden fra etablerte flyselskap og dyre billetter.

Det bør bestandig være dyrere å ta fly enn å ta bussen, men det er ikke alle enige i.
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prisene blir vel som følger:

NOK 2999-9999?
new widebody aircraft equipment from Airbus
argumentet til kjos om hvorfor han ikke har tro på det var at det ikke ville gå uten feeding routes ??? men å si hva de gjør feil ville han vel ikke gjort uansett .. kan moderne fly fly direkte fra bergen, trondheim og stavanger direkte til samme destinasjoner må det vel kunne svare seg å starte ukentlig avgang fra disse så tar de bort nødvendigheten av å fly via Oslo, køben, amsterdam og frankfurt og feeder derved sas/luftfhansa/klm (fordelen av å ikke ta denne mellomlandingen vil jo være verdt en del penger for en del pax)
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TD, de skal begynne med 2 A330-200 maskiner. Vi får se hvor de kommer fra, men jeg tror de er ferdigregistrert allerede

13th, I`m with you on that one. But I must make a correction; I said it`s DNBNOR Eiendom, but it`s DNBNOR Markets, who comes with the finances. Isn`t really important, because as you mention, it`s the government who is behind it in any matter. So what we`re looking at is the startup of a new government-"owned" airline, and the beginning of ridding themselves of SAS (which they have stated that they are willing to sell, but that there are no buyers). Well, it`s just a thought anyway, but at least the timing seems to be perfect.

jager34, NAS har vel egentlig ingen andre feedere enn seg selv og kanskje kollektivtrafikken til og fra flyplassene. Likevel fyller de flyene sine bra. At han har en opsjon på 777 kunne kanskje forklare hvorfor han "ikke har tro på dette her". Bergen og Trondheim har uansett store nok baner for A330, så man kan vel egentlig ikke utelukke noe som helst. Hadde vært mer enn greit for paxen å slippe å reise til OSL når de skal ut på langtur
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Nei dere tullinger!

Det er selvfølgelig ikke DnB NOR Markets ("Staten") som skal eie Feel Air.

DnB NOR Markets er papirflyttere og snyltere og selgere, de tilrettelegger bare emisjonen. Det ligger godt innenfor hva de vanligvis driver med mot betaling.
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Mange skal bite på denne kroken før de har 240 mio. Selv om det skulle gå bra er 240 mio. småpenger i widebodydivisjonen. Jeg takker nei.
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Guttn: Har NAS opsjon på 777? kilder?
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Flight deck?

Hi, Guttn,
Certainly many pilots applied, but are the positions really filled? As there is no start date, most of them may be still working elsewhere...Except some ex-SAS... Experienced JAR crews on A330s are not often jobless, hopefully...
Any comments ?
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Antyder du at dette ikke blir bedre og sikrere enn Emirates, Swiss, Aer Lingus og Virgin etc?

Hvorfor skulle de finne og velge piloter mens prosjektet var hemmelig? Som du er inne på, si opp 330/340 jobb til fordel for kontrakt med ukjent startdato, i et selskap som gir null treff på Google?

De to har nok hatt annet å tenke på, mye som kommer før piloter. Men jeg vet jo like lite som Guttn.
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