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Could the Gulf states and/or the US Navy offer Dead-or-Alive bounties on Iranian 'herders' in certain waters?
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
(Post 12094039)
Could the Gulf states and/or the US Navy offer Dead-or-Alive bounties on Iranian 'herders' in certain waters?
Any attack or attempt to attack or move on the Iranian herders....which largely consist of speed boats, fishing boats, tugs, rig support ships, ekranoplan and LCT's plus anything else deemed to float and equipped with something as basic as a couple of AK-47 (not to mention the loitering Ghadir)...would send Iran into an absolute frenzy. The risk of retaliation would be huge. This war against Iran underestimated the ability of Iran to fight back. They might not have a Navy left or an Air Force...least not in a western sense...but they have ardent fighters who will defend their leadership to the death and not only at sea in the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman but the Red Sea and Bab-el-Mandab Strait. Iran have used a variety of ships and boats for decades, they really did not need a full scale military force......a dozen well armed men using speed boats is ample to cause intimidation and, in some cases, people to be killed. Remember the USS Cole in 2000, attacked by a small boat with two men in Aden...Al-Qaeda carried it out. The Houthi are as active now as Al-Qaeda were back then. Two men, one small boat killed 17 USN sailors and injured several others....it would be far worse now. Iran has effectively perfected guerilla warfare on land, at sea (and in the air with their drones). Gulf States are more westernised in their military ability than Iran....in a world where tenacity and creativity ruled how a country acts militarily, Iran wins hands down. Don't forget there are many Iran backed factions in the region and beyond across the world. Any attempt to force Iran into submission will bring about the worst possible conclusion...their spread is worlwide, they are fanatical and to die a Martyr to save their country of Iran is the goal for these extremists. The normal people of Iran who are not fanatics will pay an immeasurably high price first....the rest of the world, via the cells, will follow. Iran is like a hornet....leave it alone and it is just irritating and buzzy but won't do much harm......start trying to kill it and all heck will break loose. |
Originally Posted by BonnieLass
(Post 12094050)
That would be suicidal.
Any attack or attempt to attack or move on the Iranian herders....which largely consist of speed boats, fishing boats, tugs, rig support ships, ekranoplan and LCT's plus anything else deemed to float and equipped with something as basic as a couple of AK-47 (not to mention the loitering Ghadir)...would send Iran into an absolute frenzy. The risk of retaliation would be huge. This war against Iran underestimated the ability of Iran to fight back. They might not have a Navy left or an Air Force...least not in a western sense...but they have ardent fighters who will defend their leadership to the death and not only at sea in the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman but the Red Sea and Bab-el-Mandab Strait. Iran have used a variety of ships and boats for decades, they really did not need a full scale military force......a dozen well armed men using speed boats is ample to cause intimidation and, in some cases, people to be killed. Remember the USS Cole in 2000, attacked by a small boat with two men in Aden...Al-Qaeda carried it out. The Houthi are as active now as Al-Qaeda were back then. Two men, one small boat killed 17 USN sailors and injured several others....it would be far worse now. Iran has effectively perfected guerilla warfare on land, at sea (and in the air with their drones). Gulf States are more westernised in their military ability than Iran....in a world where tenacity and creativity ruled how a country acts militarily, Iran wins hands down. Don't forget there are many Iran backed factions in the region and beyond across the world. Any attempt to force Iran into submission will bring about the worst possible conclusion...their spread is worlwide, they are fanatical and to die a Martyr to save their country of Iran is the goal for these extremists. The normal people of Iran who are not fanatics will pay an immeasurably high price first....the rest of the world, via the cells, will follow. Iran is like a hornet....leave it alone and it is just irritating and buzzy but won't do much harm......start trying to kill it and all heck will break loose. A frighteningly accurate assessment I think. |
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https://x.com/clashreport/status/206...677198556?s=20 An Iranian ballistic missile strike on a Kuwaiti air base on May 30 injured several Americans and severely damaged two MQ-9 Reaper drones, despite Kuwaiti air defenses intercepting the missile. Falling debris from the intercepted Fateh-110 missile hit Ali Al Salem Air Base, causing minor injuries to about five US personnel and contractors. One Reaper drone was destroyed and another seriously damaged. Source: Bloomberg |
NAVCENT / JMIC have issued a warning to all shipping within the Strait of Hormuz, that could be impossible to comply with if a ship is at or near the narrowest point of the Strait.
Commercial vessels operating in and around the Strait of Hormuz face the risk of being treated as hostile targets if they fail to comply with U.S. military instructions, according to a pair of new maritime security advisories issued Thursday by the Joint Maritime Information Center (JMIC). The warnings come as the U.S. Navy expands military operations near the Strait of Hormuz and continues enforcing a blockade of Iranian ports amid the ongoing conflict with Iran. In one of the strongest warnings issued to commercial shipping since the crisis began, U.S. Naval Forces Central Command (NAVCENT) said vessels that do not comply with directions from U.S. forces “may be determined to be an imminent threat and subject to proportionate measure of self-defense in accordance with international law.” The advisory also states that any vessel observed engaging in or supporting mine-laying activities “will be targeted by U.S. forces in self defense.” ............. According to the notice, all traffic inbound to or outbound from Iranian ports remains subject to blockade enforcement. The advisory further states that vessels participating in ship-to-ship transfers intended to circumvent the blockade may also be considered in violation. The blockade notice warns that enforcement actions may include “disabling and destructive fires” against vessels that fail to demonstrate immediate compliance with blockading forces. While the U.S. Navy said neutral merchant shipping remains free to navigate international waters, it cautioned that it cannot guarantee the safety of vessels operating near ongoing military operations. Ships transiting the region were advised to clearly communicate their intentions, respond promptly to military hails, and maintain a standoff distance of at least 30 nautical miles from U.S. naval units to reduce the risk of misidentification. The two advisories : https://www.ukmto.org/-/media/ukmto/...72212bbe14e428 https://www.ukmto.org/-/media/ukmto/...22f459d7dcc57e The "30 nautical miles" distance to be kept from USN assets could be difficult if the USN asset is anywhere near the narrowest section of the Strait of Hormuz which is 21 nautical miles wide. Again, despite social media postings by president Trump stating the blockade will likely be lifted...the exact opposite seems to be happening. |
.would send Iran into an absolute frenzy. The risk of retaliation would be huge. Everyone seems to be afraid that by getting rid of the nest and its offshoots, someone may be offend. Otherwise this will continue. A few rockets every day into Israel from Lebanon, ongoing enrichment, fires in synagogues. Who cares until it strikes as in Golders Green. I often wonder is Biden had carried out what Trump has done, would the West have been behind him? Frogs and hot water come to mind. |
601, that's a question we can't answer, so let's not drift any further in that direction please...within this thread.
We have a lively discussion ongoing in Jet Blast to cover that aspect of this conflict. The thread title is "Why Not Attack Iran?" |
The U.S. military has stopped another commercial vessel trying to break through the U.S. blockade of Iranian ports
ByKONSTANTIN TOROPIN Associated Press May 30, 2026, 9:29 AM WASHINGTON -- The U.S. military has stopped another merchant vessel trying to break through the American blockade of Iranian ports, a U.S. official with knowledge of the situation told The Associated Press on Saturday. The Gambia-flagged bulk carrier Lian Star ignored multiple warnings from U.S. forces overnight as it tried to enter an Iranian port, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss military operations. The ship was disabled by U.S. aircraft in the Gulf of Oman and remains adrift there, the official said, adding that U.S. forces have not boarded it. |
Originally Posted by Hangarless
(Post 12094355)
The U.S. military has stopped another commercial vessel trying to break through the U.S. blockade of Iranian ports
ByKONSTANTIN TOROPIN Associated Press May 30, 2026, 9:29 AM I have finally found her. Her name is Lianstar rather than Lian Star. Usually operates in and around Japan according to Equasis (which I am a member of), her owner / management company is Mashini of Dubai. She is currently south of Muscat.. Her port of departure is listed as Karachi, Pakistan with a destination of Umm Qasr in Iraq, last AIS recorded position being May 24, 2026. She isn't a bulker, she is just a small general cargo vessel. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bf461d3090.png She is / was a fair distance from the Strait of Hormuz when apparently strafed......the usual "reception" given to ships that do not respond to being hailed by the USN in the area is an F/A 18 from one of the principle ships that shoots the rudder off or they shoot the funnel off....given her small size, I would suspect the funnel got shot at. |
Originally Posted by BonnieLass
(Post 12094377)
She is / was a fair distance from the Strait of Hormuz when apparently strafed......the usual "reception" given to ships that do not respond to being hailed by the USN in the area is an F/A 18 from one of the principle ships that shoots the rudder off or they shoot the funnel off....given her small size, I would suspect the funnel got shot at.
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Originally Posted by Hangarless
(Post 12094382)
I would suggest that the F18 was not out for a little bit of target practice and that there is a reason that they stopped that particular ship.
Channel 16 is being used by the USN for hailing purposes. If, by chance, Lianstar was not monitoring the channel and she was hailed by the USN wishing to know where she was going, what she was carrying etc, the USN will demand that she stops. If still no response, an aircraft will be launched from a principle ship to make contact - incase of radio failure or other issues that meant the ship was unable to communicate. If that does not raise a response they will open fire on the ship to disable it....either by shooting the rudder off (which has been done at least 4 times previously) or they will shoot the funnel off (again this has been done at least 3 times previously). On one occasion a surface ship opened fire on a non-responsive ship that ended up gaining holes shot into its engineroom. It is not target practice at all. It is standard procedure to stop a ship that is not responding to being hailed and not responding to a request to heave to. |
I happen not agree with your position that the ship was not able to "hear" the warning from the USN.
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Channel 16 is the international hailing channel and is supposed to be monitored by all vessels everywhere
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Originally Posted by KiloB
(Post 12094401)
Channel 16 is the international hailing channel and is supposed to be monitored by all vessels everywhere
Try to get a word in edgewise! |
Originally Posted by BonnieLass
(Post 12094050)
That would be suicidal.
Any attack or attempt to attack or move on the Iranian herders....which largely consist of speed boats, fishing boats, tugs, rig support ships, ekranoplan and LCT's plus anything else deemed to float and equipped with something as basic as a couple of AK-47 (not to mention the loitering Ghadir)...would send Iran into an absolute frenzy. The risk of retaliation would be huge. This war against Iran underestimated the ability of Iran to fight back. They might not have a Navy left or an Air Force...least not in a western sense...but they have ardent fighters who will defend their leadership to the death and not only at sea in the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman but the Red Sea and Bab-el-Mandab Strait. Iran have used a variety of ships and boats for decades, they really did not need a full scale military force......a dozen well armed men using speed boats is ample to cause intimidation and, in some cases, people to be killed. Remember the USS Cole in 2000, attacked by a small boat with two men in Aden...Al-Qaeda carried it out. The Houthi are as active now as Al-Qaeda were back then. Two men, one small boat killed 17 USN sailors and injured several others....it would be far worse now. Iran has effectively perfected guerilla warfare on land, at sea (and in the air with their drones). Gulf States are more westernised in their military ability than Iran....in a world where tenacity and creativity ruled how a country acts militarily, Iran wins hands down. Don't forget there are many Iran backed factions in the region and beyond across the world. Any attempt to force Iran into submission will bring about the worst possible conclusion...their spread is worlwide, they are fanatical and to die a Martyr to save their country of Iran is the goal for these extremists. The normal people of Iran who are not fanatics will pay an immeasurably high price first....the rest of the world, via the cells, will follow. Iran is like a hornet....leave it alone and it is just irritating and buzzy but won't do much harm......start trying to kill it and all heck will break loose. |
Originally Posted by GlobalNav
(Post 12094421)
Maybe sending Iran into a frenzy is just what’s needed to make their forces visible and vulnerable to attack. Better than letting them attack on their schedule and wishes.
Iran is not a normal regime led military / factioned force. If that was the case, the attacks upon Iran and Iranian interests that began on February 28, 2026 would have flushed and exposed every inch of their military and factional support in the region. It didn't, it hasn't and it probably won't. The regime is like Medusa's hairdo.......multiple headed snakes that pop up everywhere. No single tactical target, always on the move, creative and tenacious in the extreme. Cut one head off and two more grow in its place. Attack Iran and Iran goes after the neighbours...not the attacker. The various factions associated with the regime hide in plain sight, they are born into desert guerilla warfare, they move like nomads, dress like them too. Their ingenuity is boundless, their faith in their regime leaders is endless and unbreakable During the peak times of ISIS, A-Qaeda etc there were small militia groups who fought those groups, in the process they learnt the tactics of those groups. Those militia are now backed by Iran (I posted some of their group names earlier in this thread). They roam freely across Iraq, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi Arabia. They attack neighbours in the name of their Iranian brothers. They are virtually impossible to hunt down.....they learnt how to vanish into thin air from terror cells, afterall. Iran and its multiple factions have infiltrated everywhere.....the regime is exceptionally strong and it is exceptionally manipulative. You can bomb them to Kingdom come and they will not surrender one iota, they just get stronger and their cells around the world will create havoc on the word of the regime. You cannot compartmentalise the Iranian regime like you can perhaps a western enemy...every Iranian regime leader who is killed is replaced before the blood is dry. It is impossible to defeat a regime like Iran using normal strategy and tactics...you have to think like them, behave like them and live their way and only then can you maybe beat them at their own game. Even if the US finally reaches the end of their teather with Iran and drops a nuclear bomb on the country, the regime will not be dead.....the cells around the world will see to that. It is why Iran have been largely left alone for all of these years....taking them on is far too risky and costly in human lives. The other Gulf States are not friendly with Iran at all....they tolerate Iran cos they know and understand that to attack Iran would bring immense suffering to those Gulf States and the wider world, in lost lives and financial losses that would far outstrip the costs already paid by the Gulf States and the world during the recent hostilities. |
given her small size, I would suspect the funnel got shot at. U.S. forces disabled a commercial vessel attempting to reach an Iranian port after its crew ignored more than 20 warnings, according to a statement posted Saturday by U.S. Central Command on X. CENTCOM said the Gambia-flagged M/V Lian Star was transiting international waters in the Gulf of Oman toward an Iranian port on May 29 when U.S. forces warned the vessel that it was violating the U.S. blockade. After the crew failed to comply, a U.S. aircraft fired a Hellfire missile into the ship's engine room, disabling the vessel and preventing it from continuing its voyage, CENTCOM said. "The ship is no longer transiting to Iran," CENTCOM said. The military added that U.S. forces have now disabled five commercial vessels and redirected 116 others while enforcing the blockade as a ceasefire with Iran remains in effect. Posted by Brittany Miller-Fox Digital |
“Iran is like a hornet....leave it alone and it is just irritating and buzzy but won't do much harm......”
… until the said hornet gets strong enough that you regret having left it alone |
A nuclear hornet?
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Today's updates on the Strait of Hormuz, Bab-el-Mandab Strait and ports & anchorages across the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman.........plus an example of how a shipping company is managing it's stuck ships and crew from afar, a containership with Iranian ties manages 3 transits with ease and the Iranian government is about to bring in legally binding Strait of Hormuz management plan
One of the sticking points on the ceasefire and lasting peace in the region is the free passage of shipping through the Strait of Hormuz following its closure at the start of hostilities on February 28, 2026. The Iranians have made it perfectly clear that they will regard the Strait as partially their territorial waters....shared with Oman.....and that they will bring in controls to enable those territorial waters to be monitored along with navigational, environmental and insurance issues. They refuse and reject interference from outside countries in regard to how they operate within their territorial waters. The Iranian lawmakers are firmly determined to turn a proposal on managing the Strait of Hormuz into law, an MP said, stressing that decisions regarding the strategic waterway fall solely within the jurisdiction of Iran and Oman.Speaking to Tasnim on Saturday, Alireza Salimi said the Parliament has made a definitive decision to legislate the management of the Strait of Hormuz and that the proposal would be finalized and enacted into law. He stated that the Strait of Hormuz lies within the shared territorial domain of Iran and Oman, adding that Tehran would not allow any other country to make decisions concerning its territorial sphere. A containership operated by SeaLead....that has loose connections with Iran and had been subject to US sanctions in 2025...has managed to make no less than 3 Strait of Hormuz transits within the last month. Using her AIS transponder very briefly she has made journeys without any issues. The ship is currently off Doha, she was formerly owned by Evergreen (previous name : Ever Dainty) and there are no photos of her as she is now.... https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fac969f327.png The Paya Lebar first transited westbound through the Strait of Hormuz westbound into the Gulf on 13 April having been at anchor in Nhava Sheva, India since late March. While in the Gulf the vessel called at Jebel Ali and Khalifa ports in the UAE and Hamad in Qatar. The Paya Lebar then crossed the Strait of Hormuz eastbound on 28 April and headed back to Nhava Sheva and then moved to Kandla on 13 May. One of the many companies who has ships currently stuck in the Persian Gulf has given insight into their daily routines in regard to making sure that their crews and ships are safe and to ensure that crews can communicate with their families whilst unable to leave the area. Anglo-Eastern have 16 ships with 350 crew in the Persian Gulf. Swapnodeep Mondal, Group Managing Director, Operations and Shared Services at Anglo-Eastern, commented: “What the current environment demands is not more information, but better interpretation – the ability to place intelligence in context, compare it across a fleet, assess it against specific vessel and voyage profiles, and translate it into practical, timely guidance.” The security desk has maintained as structured daily routine to support vessels, crews and clients since the crisis in the Middle East unfolded with start of Iran war on 28 February. A white paper from Anglo-Eastern set out the daily routine. 06:00 The overnight intelligence digest drawn from military, governmental and commercial sources is reviewed by the Global Security Desk 08:00 A daily situation call brings together fleet operations, technical, crew welfare, legal and security teams for a cross-functional assessment 09:00 A vessel-by-vessel status report is compiled covering stores, crew health, morale and position. 10:00 Owner briefings are issued to all affected shipowners 14:00 Flag state and P&I coordination calls (as required). 18:00 An end-of-day assessment reviews any escalation triggers and briefs the night watch Onto the Strait of Hormuz and Bab-el-Mandab Strait The Strait of Hormuz is relatively quiet so far and with no reported incidents at time of writing. There is a ship, however, heading towards the Strait that might ruffle some feathers. She is the US registered Jersey Devil. She is listed as a tanker...but she is, infact, a fishing boat built in 1985 and owned by Oceanside Marine according to Equasis database. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2f0ab92a17.png https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....819dafd6da.png TheBab-el-Mandab Strait is operating freely and busy, again no incidents reported at time of writing https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9440e2bec1.png The ports and anchorages from Umm Qasr to Doha are busy once again, very little by way of change. Temperatures in the area are in the low 50's currently and the herders are never far away https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7493e93227.png The ports and anchorages from Mina Saqr to Jebel Ali are significantly busier today, with the most ships positioned in the Sharjah and Dubai anchorages with the usual herders nearby https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5a7238f66e.png Ports and anchorages in the Gulf of Oman are reasonable this morning. Dibba, Khor Fakkan and Fujairah ports are active, their anchorages are fairly quiet with the caveat of AIS dark shipping. Further south on the Al Widyyat, Liwa and Sohar anchorages it is a little busier and the herders are milling around the ships as normal. Muscat is very busy this morning along with the sea lane offshore. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....07b8db32c5.png https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f7d3dca9b9.png No updates as yet regarding the remaining injured crew from CMA CGM San Antonio. That's it for now....back tomorrow |
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