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fdr 22nd December 2024 19:42


Originally Posted by FUMR (Post 11792101)
States the obvious (to most of us) but doesn't come up with any solutions. 14 minutes of nothing in my opinion!


Originally Posted by El Grifo (Post 11792106)
Just watched it KeyPilot.
Excellent Insight !!


Originally Posted by KeyPilot (Post 11792118)
I think the generality is obvious, but the analyst describes how these bad outcomes can come to pass with great clarity and granularity.

Re solutions, well I would say the first is to be aware of Russia's likely game, so as not to fall into their trap - and this does that well. Just my $0.02 !

Pukky adds value to the conversation by stating clearly what is lost in all of the rhetoric. Vlad wants political control over Ukraine although his coffers have taken a beating and his own 401K is looking decidedly dismal. Anything that gives Vlad any say in Ukraine is a win for Vlad and team Zombies, and is certain to be a future problem for NATO and the EU. Russia has done it's level best to attain the stature of Botswana, in military and economic terms, although the Okavango delta gives a better view from the natural latrine in the bush than Nevsky Prospekt or Pokrovski Cathedral. (GUM used to have good toilets, then Mc Donalds closed... ). The pressure on Volodomir "Thomas the tank engine" Zelenskyy is from our side as much as Vlad's, so anything that gets our dismal selection of lords and masters on the same page as history being written today will save them being on the receiving end of tomorrows obituaries, inaction has consequences, but lack the movie rights of doing the right damned thing at the right damned time.

This is the lowest cost time to apply a choker chain and diapers on Vlad, doing it in 5 years time will hurt a lot more than now.



ORAC 22nd December 2024 20:32

It begins:

2,000 Russian troops along with some 300 speedboats have been assembled in Kherson.

Intel reports that the Russian commanders have mutinied and are refusing to commit their forces in a suicidal attempt to cross the Dnipro river.
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NutLoose 22nd December 2024 22:18

Short, sweet and succinct….

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NutLoose 23rd December 2024 02:42

More from Olga Skabeybeva ……Well, she has just realised something we all did three years ago, if their army wasn’t equipped to fight such a war, then how did they ever plan to take on the West, Syria, Africa, Afghanistan, even China.


NutLoose 23rd December 2024 02:45

Yet, one scant year ago she was ready to take on NATO


fdr 23rd December 2024 03:09


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11792408)
Yet, one scant year ago she was ready to take on NATO



https://x.com/francis_scarr/status/1532370693140230144


Vlad, demilitarising Russia by one Zombie every 43.2 seconds.

(no furry animals were harmed in the 1.3 Zombie units of time taken to write this post).

“Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?”

PS:
Olga Skabeyeva is one of the reasons that Russian men are content to go face certain hardships and probable death or injury, so they don't need to listen to her shrill squeaking.

WideScreen 23rd December 2024 04:55


Originally Posted by DogTailRed2 (Post 11792186)
Anyone that thinks working out a peaceful solution with Putin is anything more than kicking the can down the road is seriously mistaken.
The geography of Europe is being re-mapped. NATO needs to make some hard decisions. Decisions which so far it has been incapable of making.

Kicking the can, yep, though don't underestimate Rutte..........

There are reasons everybody did want him to become NATO chairman, despite having to wait 1-2 years until he would become available.

WideScreen 23rd December 2024 05:05


Originally Posted by Spunky Monkey (Post 11791935)
Really?
And how do you think the optics of that would look?
Ukraine expends a great amount of effort being righteous and correct...without giving Putin his own 911 moment...

May also be some smaller stuff (though bigger than used now), though that stuff might be less available at scrap value and not scrapped yet. I doubt several ballistic missiles heading into the same building will have significantly less impact (except that buildings tend to be significantly more vulnerable from the side than from the top, gravity helps, so to say). See how Israel flattened whole apartment complexes in Beirut, using only a handful of Hi-mars alike rockets, hit at the right location and gravity does the rest.

NutLoose 23rd December 2024 05:56

You will find this fascinating to watch, it is a Russian Division HQ filmed by Solovyov and it gives an insight, showing how the Division works in the field. Well worth watching IMHO.


DogTailRed2 24th December 2024 09:11

Russia is executing more and more Ukrainian prisoners of war...
Russia is executing more and more Ukrainian prisoners of war - BBC News
...and we seriously consider agreeing terms with Russia?

ORAC 24th December 2024 11:21

Latest Russian recruits reach the front line…..

Video.

FUMR 24th December 2024 13:28


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11793212)
Latest Russian recruits reach the front line…..

Video.

Excellent tactical initiative by the Russians. Make the enemy lose concentration with their fits of laughter.

fdr 24th December 2024 14:41


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11793212)
Latest Russian recruits reach the front line…..

Video.

So Vlad's bringing euthanasia to Russian hospices?

NutLoose 24th December 2024 15:16

It’s their winter fuel allowance, they will be fed into their mobile Chrems.

NutLoose 24th December 2024 15:21

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NutLoose 24th December 2024 15:30

Listen how much they brainwash the population.


NutLoose 24th December 2024 19:35

More of Putin’s weapons not boasted about.





ORAC 25th December 2024 07:03

The defence-blog -dot- com website reported a very important observation on the production quality of current Russian Shahed production.

It's individual quality is declining, _Hard_.

1/
Russian End Run Production 🧵

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...798216203.html

https://defence-blog.com/russian-dro...​​

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....370127132.jpeg

Ninthace 25th December 2024 08:14

I see that it being Christmas does not stop Putin being a dick. More attacks on Ukraine's power infrastructure.
Presumably he is on the other calendar.

Mr Mac 25th December 2024 08:24

Ninthace
They really don’t care what it makes them look like. If I was the Ukrainians I would look to repay the compliment on the Orthodox Christmas, but it would be a bit obvious. Of course you could always drop a certain bridge on New Years Eve as a spectacular end to 2024 or opener for 2025. The defences maybe slightly distracted by the inevitable alcohol.

Cheers
Mr Mac



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