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pasta 3rd May 2023 13:06


"The Russian side reserves the right to take retaliatory measures where and when it sees fit."
What are they going to do? Launch missiles against Ukraine? Invade?

ex fat repair team 3rd May 2023 13:26


Originally Posted by Sepp (Post 11429501)
Looking at the big flash in ORAC's post, and recalling pictures posted earlier of anti-air assets being craned onto tall buildings, I am tempted to ponder "wat air defence doing?"

Ref, footage on BBC news web site. Strange that 2 people are walking up the dome steps at the same time, and some one happens to be videoing it.


NutLoose 3rd May 2023 13:29

Mr Sensible is talking again.



NutLoose 3rd May 2023 13:57

Possibly a false flag to justify other Russian actions? Ukraine of course denies it, they must have seen the no flying drones sign and realised they would be liable for a fine..



https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9e28549149.png

meleagertoo 3rd May 2023 14:05


Originally Posted by ex fat repair team (Post 11429510)
Ref, footage on BBC news web site. Strange that 2 people are walking up the dome steps at the same time, and some one happens to be videoing it.

Clearly not footage from a fixed camera, and the scene seems to pan slightly exactly in sync with the arrival in frame of the drone just as if the operator was anticipating its arrival.
I call maskirovka.
Is this going to be an excuse to bomb Zelensky's palace, or even his person?
Hoperfully other footage will come out from security cameras that can clarify the flightline of the drone and whether it was actually heading towards the Kremlin and this video isn't a cleverly set up angle to make it appear so.

Wokkafans 3rd May 2023 15:11

Footage of the first strike:



Footage of the second larger strike here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3

Sepp 3rd May 2023 15:13

Footage from a different camera:



Ninthace 3rd May 2023 15:16


Originally Posted by ex fat repair team (Post 11429510)
Ref, footage on BBC news web site. Strange that 2 people are walking up the dome steps at the same time, and some one happens to be videoing it.

I think those 2 people are flags.

Imagegear 3rd May 2023 15:22

How do both drones manage to catch the identical "support wire" for the "proper" flag, both exploding some two or more meters past the "proper" flag pole, 2 hours apart. Nope, its all faked.

IG

macmp419 3rd May 2023 16:38

Perfectly captured from every angle, and with the detonation of a small firework. Hardly an assassination attempt (if it was - poor effort and must try harder). I am smelling something and it is not sheep or cows...

Could somebody zoom in on the flag and see if has "FALSE" emblazoned upon it.

pasta 3rd May 2023 17:10

Medvedev's take:

1. If Russia were capable of assassinating Zelensky, they would have done it already
2. The drone could only be considered an assassination attempt if the person flying it genuinely thought that Putin spends his nights sitting on the roof

NutLoose 3rd May 2023 17:17

I seem to remember they tried that several times before.

NutLoose 3rd May 2023 17:24

Now the propagandists blame us as the reason behind all the expelled Diplomats across the world, just as well they couldn’t invade us without the help of China

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Captivep 3rd May 2023 17:30


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11429620)
Now the propagandists blame us as the reason behind all the expelled Diplomats across the world, just as well they couldn’t invade us without the help of China



https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/st...C8qarAkOotAAAA

Quite flattering really, isn't it?

NutLoose 3rd May 2023 17:40

So there were to climbers on the Kremlin dome, they were on the way up after the first strike and were seen as the second one hit.


The first drone hit from the opposite direction, film here.

https://twitter.com/kromark


Video Mixdown 3rd May 2023 17:43


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11429620)
Now the propagandists blame us as the reason behind all the expelled Diplomats across the world, just as well they couldn’t invade us without the help of China.
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Good to hear that their Ambassador and Diplomats in London are having a miserable time.

bugged on the right 3rd May 2023 18:04

Very pleased my country is considered to be foe number one. Had a bad moment when I couldn't advance past page 15 but deleting cookies fixed it. Keep up the great work Nutloose, ORAC and others. Thanks.

_Agrajag_ 3rd May 2023 18:17

Definitely something odd about those drone strikes. Are we expected to believe that a couple of slow flying drones travelled around 300 miles across Russia from the Ukrainian border without being detected?

Someone smarter than me could work out the speed from the video frame rate. My guess is no more than 100kts from just eyeballing it. They look to be flying very slowly.

Perhaps Russia might want to explain how their state of the art air defence systems failed to detect these drones for the three hours or so they were flying over Russian territory.

Lonewolf_50 3rd May 2023 19:13

a. Sun Tzu would probably advocate the strategy of taking out the enemy king/leader in order to end a war.

b. Clausewitz would (perhaps) identify Putin as a center of gravity (strategic CoG in any case) worth targeting with the aim of ending the war by removing the center of gravity.

From the perspective of an objective analysis (if indeed Ukraine sent in a few drones to try and take out the head of government) this was an attempt at a decapitation strike that was worth trying if you are Ukraine.
Spoiler
 



Tartiflette Fan 3rd May 2023 19:43


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11429664)
a. Sun Tzu would probably advocate the strategy of taking out the enemy king/leader in order to end a war.

b. Clausewitz would (perhaps) identify Putin as a center of gravity (strategic CoG in any case) worth targeting with the aim of ending the war by removing the center of gravity.

From the perspective of an objective analysis (if indeed Ukraine sent in a few drones to try and take out the head of government) this was an attempt at a decapitation strike that was worth trying if you are Ukraine.
Spoiler
 


Since the Kremlin has a footprint of approx 3 000 000 ft2 and is up to six stories tall, unless Putin follows an ironly rigid timetable and spends time on the roof, I don't think anyone (outside Russia ) would be thinking about assassination.


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