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Asturias56 19th May 2025 10:44

TBF he said the first sentence "Trump is lying and his statements are not worth a response"

the emotive language re Death all round was the crowd chanting

Hangarless 19th May 2025 16:35


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11886147)
VideoBREAKING: Iranian Ayatollah Ali Khamenei during his speech addressing nuclear talks:

“Trump is lying and his statements are not worth a response. Death to America! Death to England! Death to Israel! Death to the infidels!”

Very mixed messages coming from Iran

https://www.foxnews.com/world/irania...talks-continue

Asturias56 19th May 2025 17:18

"Death to America! Death to England! Death to Israel! Death to the infidels!"

Sounds like a morticians annual rally.......................... note they didn't mention Scotland.....

Biggus 20th May 2025 07:57

Or Wales....

ORAC 22nd May 2025 06:12

Israel obviously watching the dithering and endless retreats from facing up to Russia, in the hope of doing a money making deal, and deciding Trump is going to do the same thing with Iran.

So, as they see it as an existential threat, they’re going to do it themselves….

https://archive.ph/oyGev

Israel ‘preparing for strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities’

Israel is believed to be preparing to strike Iran, even as the US negotiates a nuclear agreement with the country.

American intelligence has intercepted communications and observed military preparations for the possible imminent strike on Iranian nuclear facilities, CNN reported.

The account comes as tensions rise between President Trump and Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister — who had been planning a strike on Iran before the US leader vetoed the idea and instead announced talks with Tehran in March.

Israel has long advocated military action against Iran’s nuclear facilities, arguing for the complete dismantlement of Tehran’s nuclear programme. It had opposed a deal reached under Barack Obama to lift sanctions on Iran in return for reduced uranium enrichment…….

Some in Israel fear that Trump could reach a deal with Iran that stops short of dismantling the programme, and instead offers a new version of the Obama deal.

“The chance of an Israeli strike on an Iranian nuclear facility has gone up significantly in recent months,” CNN quoted one source as saying. “And the prospect of a Trump-negotiated US-Iran deal that doesn’t remove all of Iran’s uranium makes the chance of a strike more likely.”

Jonathan Panikoff, a former US intelligence official, said: “At the end of the day, the Israeli decision-making is going to be predicated on US policy determinations and actions, and what agreements President Trump does or does not come to with Iran.”

American intelligence observed Israel moving air munitions and completing an exercise that could indicate a looming strike. The moves, however, could also have been intended to send a message to Iran.….


The Israeli government believes Iran has never been weaker. It has lost much of its deterrence in the region, after Israel decimated its allies Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza, and rebels overthrew the Iranian ally Bashar al-Assad in Syria in December.

Israel’s government believes that they have a rare window of opportunity to deal a devastating blow to their rival Iran, but Trump is said to prefer a diplomatic deal. His Arab allies in the Gulf states have encouraged diplomacy, fearing a conflict with Iran would spill over into their countries and oil fields and upend the peace they have made with Tehran in recent years.



Lonewolf_50 4th June 2025 17:48

From an article in Newsweek:

Iran's Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on X:
"Thousands of nuclear scientists & researchers have been trained in Iran. Should we disappoint them, make them unemployed, & take away their hope in our country's future? The rude, insolent US leaders want this. They're opposed to progress & self-sufficiency for the Iranian ppl... In the current nuclear talks that are being mediated by Oman, the US's proposal is 100% against the spirit of "We can." What the US is demanding is that you should have no nuclear industry at all and be dependent on them."

U.S. President Donald Trump wrote on social media:
"Under our potential Agreement — WE WILL NOT ALLOW ANY ENRICHMENT OF URANIUM!"
Seems like the parties are at an impasse. Those of you betting on a deal being made may not see your money again.

ORAC 9th June 2025 13:01

Let me guess what Trump will do…….. Nothing….

BREAKING 🔶

Iran’s Foreign Ministry says it has outright rejected the U.S. Nuclear deal proposal and is now “preparing a new one in its place.”

Lonewolf_50 9th June 2025 15:27


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11897510)
Iran’s Foreign Ministry says it has outright rejected the U.S. Nuclear deal proposal and is now “preparing a new one in its place.”

He may or may not realize that "offer/counter offer" is how stuff like this is usually done. (It was for the 2015 deal...).
I think his attention is being drawn elsewhere at the moment.

West Coast 9th June 2025 15:29


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11897573)
He may or may not realize that "offer/counter offer" is how stuff like this is usually done. (It was for the 2015 deal...).
I think his attention is being drawn elsewhere at the moment.

I fear Trump’s counter offer will be measured in bomb tonnage.

Asturias56 10th June 2025 07:08

Another month has sped by and no progress.

No bombs either.

Lonewolf_50 10th June 2025 19:56

Iran will do as they have done for the last 15 years or so: keep working on their uranium enrichment and try to find ways around sanctions.

West Coast 10th June 2025 23:16

https://www.twz.com/news-features/gr...mje-M0RiayBRLg

Pentagon is busy these days….

Asturias56 11th June 2025 07:45

Interesting article - and Trump actually sounds quite logical and has set out the two sides of the argument very clearly.

Not sure that a load of air strikes will make a difference tho' as the Iranians are so close to having a bomb. In fact I wonder if they may already have one or two and are waiting for a big Israeli attack as an excuse to test one


ORAC 11th June 2025 07:54

Then again….


​​​​​​​Reports now from several other media outlets in Israel appear to confirm last night’s article from Haaretz, discussing a “heated” phone call between U.S. President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, in which Netanyahu stated the Iranians are purposefully stalling the ongoing nuclear talks and that Trump is being “played” by Tehran, while President Trump refused to give his blessing towards Israeli military action against Iranian nuclear sites and urged Netanyahu to stop any further aggressive rhetoric about striking Iran.
​​​​​​​Haaretz article: https://archive.ph/KZrk5

ORAC 11th June 2025 17:51

From Charles Lister - a vastly informed source on Syrian/Iraqi politics and military affairs……


NEW - the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad is (per U.S. & Iraq officials) is preparing for a possible evacuation due to developing “security risks” in the Middle East.

This comes amidst whispers that a breakdown of Iran nuclear talks could result in sudden US/ and/or Israel military action.

RAFEngO74to09 11th June 2025 18:53

Iran has threatened to attack US bases in the region if talks break down. Non-essential state personnel being evacuated from Bahrein and Kuwait as well now.


RAFEngO74to09 11th June 2025 19:02

US SecDef just authorized voluntary departure of all US military dependents in the CENTCOM AOR

RAFEngO74to09 11th June 2025 21:12

CENTCOM Commander postponed testimony to Senate Armed Services Committee schedules for 12 Apr 25 to return to AOR


T28B 11th June 2025 22:32


Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09 (Post 11898710)
CENTCOM Commander postponed testimony to Senate Armed Services Committee schedules for 12 Apr 25 to return to AOR

It's now June of 2025. ;) Has the general become unstuck in time?

ORAC 11th June 2025 23:05

Things ramping up - Trump confirms troops being evacuated.

Video


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