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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 12049375)
Seeing as there are now AD ships from the French, Dutch, Germans, Italians and Spanish around Cyprus; plus in addition to the RAF F-35Bs and Typhoons at Akrotiri there are now the Greek F-16s at Paphos and Turkish F-16s at Ercan plus the CdG about to arrive with wing of Rafale-Ms, sending HMS Duncan does seem a somewhat pointless political gesture.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 12049375)
sending HMS Duncan does seem a somewhat pointless political gesture.
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Apparently an encrypted signal has been detected being sent from Iran that may be to awaken sleeper cells across the world
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 12049430)
Apparently an encrypted signal has been detected being sent from Iran that may be to awaken sleeper cells across the world
Plus, of course, RAF stations which, we are assured, have beefed up protection. But seemingly only from surface threats. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 12049375)
does seem a somewhat pointless political gesture.
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Originally Posted by AnglianAV8R
(Post 12049436)
To a politician, no gesture is pointless.
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Breaking news on the BBC... |
"very complete, pretty much"
Where does "Unconditional Surrender" reside in that sentence? Continue to be confused if this is a war, a police action, the start of Armageddon, or just a day ending in "Y". At least the US HoR and Senate have a say in matters... No? Really? The most concerning comment: “Wrapping up is all in my mind.” Where would one begin with that pearl. SNL just got an endowment of riches to work with... Oh well, back to popcorn and marshmallows. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 12049375)
Seeing as there are now AD ships from the French, Dutch, Germans, Italians and Spanish around Cyprus; plus in addition to the RAF F-35Bs and Typhoons at Akrotiri there are now the Greek F-16s at Paphos and Turkish F-16s at Ercan plus the CdG about to arrive with wing of Rafale-Ms, sending HMS Duncan does seem a somewhat pointless political gesture.
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Originally Posted by fdr
(Post 12049467)
"very complete, pretty much"
Where does "Unconditional Surrender" reside in that sentence? Continue to be confused if this is a war, a police action, the start of Armageddon, or just a day ending in "Y". At least the US HoR and Senate have a say in matters... The most concerning comment: “Wrapping up is all in my mind.” Where would one begin with that pearl. SNL just got an endowment of riches to work with... As to bracing ourselves for fifth column activity: that's been a standard posture since WTC 1993 and McVeigh's little stunt in Oklahoma City. One would hope that with this war starting, measures will be increased due to increased threat level. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 12049430)
Apparently an encrypted signal has been detected being sent from Iran that may be to awaken sleeper cells across the world
I am planning to avoid major urban centres for some time, including any that have containers, explosives, hazmat, and the general run of the mill NBC detritus hanging about to make a fashion statement about irritation with having the chief bottle washer, his side kick, and their entourage turned to sidewalk stains. The thing with nuclear weapons is, they are so... blunt. The response to the employment of a ICBM against the USA would not be a surprise to anyone who has Netflix. "house of dynamite" is interesting if only for Idris Elba not playing a cop or a psycho. Dirty weapons mess up options, and that is the sort of thing that comes out of asssssymetric warfare. Ask what the Ukrainians would do, and go and prep the defences... |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 12049441)
Donald Trump has suggested the war against Iran could be over soon
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Regarding the suspected US strike on the Iranian school.
It does now look increasingly likely that it was an American Tomahawk that was responsible, according to a video released by the BBC. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg548lyjnyo If this is the case, whilst it being a tragic incident, l do have some sympathy with the US due to how the school was located. It would be revealing to know why they'd place a school almost within the perimeter of an IRGC base. Also, was it a purposely built facility, or a re-purposed building, and why it just happened to be a girls only school. Cynical perhaps, but their recent behaviour does make you wonder. Edit: Is the school separate to the IRGC base?The school building is located near the IRGC base.Satellite imagery from 2013 appears to show the school building was part of the same compound, before a wall is seen in 2016 separating it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yqqyly9n0o |
Originally Posted by Abbas Ibn Firnas
(Post 12049484)
Regarding the suspected US strike on the Iranian school.
It does now look increasingly likely that it was an American Tomahawk that was responsible, according to a video released by the BBC. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg548lyjnyo If this is the case, whilst it being a tragic incident, l do have some sympathy with the US due to how the school was located. It would be revealing to know why they'd place a school almost within the perimeter of an IRGC base. Also, was it a purposely built facility, or a re-purposed building, and why it just happened to be a girls only school. Cynical perhaps, but their recent behaviour does make you wonder. So the only evidence that it was a Tomahawk that hit the school is that other Tomahawks hit the nearby IRGC base. Yes, it is plausible that one of those Tomahawk missiles missed its target and thit the school. But it is also still plausible that it was struck by a malfunction Iranian missile. The linked BBC report adds nothing new to the debate. |
Originally Posted by tdracer
(Post 12049494)
Not that simple - the video shows a Tomahawk hitting the IRGC base - and other videos clearly show that the school had been hit before the Tomahawk strike.
So the only evidence that it was a Tomahawk that hit the school is that other Tomahawks hit the nearby IRGC base. Yes, it is plausible that one of those Tomahawk missiles missed its target and thit the school. But it is also still plausible that it was struck by a malfunction Iranian missile. The linked BBC report adds nothing new to the debate. |
Originally Posted by Abbas Ibn Firnas
(Post 12049484)
Regarding the suspected US strike on the Iranian school.
It does now look increasingly likely that it was an American Tomahawk that was responsible, according to a video released by the BBC. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg548lyjnyo If this is the case, whilst it being a tragic incident, l do have some sympathy with the US due to how the school was located. It would be revealing to know why they'd place a school almost within the perimeter of an IRGC base. Also, was it a purposely built facility, or a re-purposed building, and why it just happened to be a girls only school. Cynical perhaps, but their recent behaviour does make you wonder. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/...ny-involvement. The article claims: 1) The school buildings were originally within the base security perimeter, but subsequently partitioned off, with the security perimeter rebuilt to explicitly to exclude the school. Evidence via satellite images. 2) I believe the school was purpose built within the base, then subsequently partitioned out. 3) It is not unusual for Islamic societies to educate girls and boys separately; especially when the girls near or pass the determined border of womanhood. Similarly, later (after the girl's school) a public medical facility was built on ground originally within the base's security perimeter for civilian use. It was not directly hit by ordnance. This could all be disinformation/propaganda (especially some of the other claims in the article), but I expect that if nothing else, the satellite images can be verified. |
AIF
I understand the scepticism, as it has been used for years with Hospitals and indeed hospital ships and temples etc. It doesn’t make it right, and indeed many parties both good and bad depending on your view have done it. War makes a stranger out of many people, and their beliefs of right and wrong. Cheers Mr Mac |
Originally Posted by Abbas Ibn Firnas
(Post 12049484)
Regarding the suspected US strike on the Iranian school.
It does now look increasingly likely that it was an American Tomahawk that was responsible, according to a video released by the BBC. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg548lyjnyo If this is the case, whilst it being a tragic incident, l do have some sympathy with the US due to how the school was located. It would be revealing to know why they'd place a school almost within the perimeter of an IRGC base. Also, was it a purposely built facility, or a re-purposed building, and why it just happened to be a girls only school. Cynical perhaps, but their recent behaviour does make you wonder. Edit: Is the school separate to the IRGC base?The school building is located near the IRGC base.Satellite imagery from 2013 appears to show the school building was part of the same compound, before a wall is seen in 2016 separating it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yqqyly9n0o |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 12049476)
fdr, it's all part of the deception plan! :} Keep the enemy guessing!
As to bracing ourselves for fifth column activity: that's been a standard posture since WTC 1993 and McVeigh's little stunt in Oklahoma City. One would hope that with this war starting, measures will be increased due to increased threat level. |
Seems that the US can not stand a closure of the street of Hormus longer than a week. https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/09/b...t-navy-economy
You wonder why they started the war because this situation now had 20/20 hindsight and a save passage will require boots on the ground on the Iranian side. Any single drone, rocket or mine sneaking past the defense will create havoc with a full oil or CNG tanker. |
I don’t see the tactical or strategic value of attacking oilfields, production and exporting facilities.
It will not help the citizens, if successful in replacing the present regime, to recover if the infrastructure is in ruins. |
19:41BreakingDonald Trump has suggested the war against Iran could be over soon, telling the BBC’s US media partner CBS News: “I think the war is very complete, pretty much." After a day of conflicting signals about when the war against Iran might end, President Trump struck a belligerent tone Monday evening, warning of even more aggressive action if Iranian leaders tried to cut off the world’s energy supply. “We will hit them so hard that it will not be possible for them or anybody else helping them to ever recover that section of the world,” Mr. Trump said, meeting with reporters. |
Originally Posted by tdracer
(Post 12049494)
Yes, it is plausible that one of those Tomahawk missiles missed its target and thit the school. But it is also still plausible that it was struck by a malfunction Iranian missile. The linked BBC report adds nothing new to the debate. It is a good point. Possibly the strongest evidence we have that it was a US missile came from Trump at the press conference today. When it was put to him that it was a US tomahawk that struck the school, he didn't push back on what weapon it was. His response was that other countries, including Iran!!, operated tomahawks. |
Originally Posted by langleybaston
(Post 12049535)
That worked well at RAF Brize Norton, did it not?
Was channel surfing earlier today after dinner. Various talking heads said various things about the new leadership in Iran.
Spoiler
Looks like it's a case of "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" and maybe all Mr Trump did, besides blowing up a lot of stuff, was speed up the succession somewhat since the previous boss was beginning to lose his edge/health. Maybe Junior ought to send DJT a thank you note. Had a look at this bit on Sky Like the folks on CNN, he wondered aloud at the US Strategic objective. What M Rubio says seems to differ from what P Hegseth says seems to differ from what D Trump says...so it's anybody's guess. Come back tomorrow, maybe there will be a new one. |
Well, this clears everything up. From Trump's most recent 'Truth Social' post. I'm guessin' he's gettin' an itchy nuclear trigger finger. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
"If Iran does anything that stops the flow of Oil within the Strait of Hormuz, they will be hit by the United States of America TWENTY TIMES HARDER than they have been hit thus far. "Additionally, we will take out easily destroyable targets that will make it virtually impossible for Iran to ever be built back, as a Nation, again — Death, Fire, and Fury will reign upon them — But I hope, and pray, that it does not happen! "This is a gift from the United States of America to China, and all of those Nations that heavily use the Hormuz Strait. Hopefully, it is a gesture that will be greatly appreciated." |
Wine, are you sure that this isn't an SNL sketch, and someone is having us on?
"If Iran does anything that stops the flow of Oil within the Strait of Hormuz, they will be hit by the United States of America TWENTY TIMES HARDER than they have been hit thus far. "Additionally, we will take out easily destroyable targets that will make it virtually impossible for Iran to ever be built back, as a Nation, again — Death, Fire, and Fury will reign upon them — But I hope, and pray, that it does not happen! See 1980 - 1988 for an example of their resilience. "This is a gift from the United States of America to China, and all of those Nations that heavily use the Hormuz Strait. Hopefully, it is a gesture that will be greatly appreciated." Expecting great appreciation is a sure set up for disappointment. Might want to consider a bit of expectations management. The jokes almost write themselves. |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 12049602)
Looks like it's a case of "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" and maybe all Mr Trump did, besides blowing up a lot of stuff, was speed up the succession somewhat since the previous boss was beginning to lose his edge/health. Maybe Junior ought to send DJT a thank you note.
He is reportedly unconscious after an assassination attempt. |
An assassination attempt by whom? Someone on the inside? :confused:
OK, from this I gather that it was an Israeli airstrike that missed, or didn't quite get close enough. Might want to give this one the old 48 hours and see what's what treatment. By Georgia Rowe (lbc.co.uk) Iran's new Supreme Leader, Mojtaba Khamenei, has been wounded in an Israeli airstrike, according to reports. Iranian state television described Mojtaba Khamenei as “janbaz”, or wounded by the enemy, in the “Ramadan war” - the Iranian media's term for the conflict. It is unclear if they are referring to the air strike that killed his father, previous supreme leader Ali Khamenei, on February 28. It comes as it was confirmed on Sunday that the 56-year-old would replace his father as the country's new Supreme Leader. The nature of his injury remains unclear. |
Putin apparently called Trump before the announcement of the end of the War, Trump is talking of taking and controlling the Straights of Hormuz himself.
Another case of fools announcing a war is over, without the other side agreeing to it. I fear for the US, and those that supported them, this isn’t over, and now the threat goes underground and will come at them where they will least expect it. When a country sets various goals, Trumps chosen country leader in place and regime change, dismantling of a countries nuclear capabilities, the ability to stop Iran being able to project their power in the region etc, and none have been achieved, so who is the one surrendering? It certainly isn’t Iran. Also targeting Schools,, desalination plants, and oil infrastructure isn’t targeting the regime, but the population, so you simply create more resistance in the population, not freeing the people. I said at the start this was a farce lead by fools and sadly it appears to be accurate, the result is a World that is in a more dangerous state with no advantages. … |
The school I think we would all agree was never deliberately targeted, but possibly AI chose it because old maps showed the building located within the base perimeter.
A horrible tragedy, for which the whole world feels intense sadness, possibly caused by lack of sufficient oversight. |
AI is an excuse. It didn't plan the mission. Those using AI simply didn't care if it was correct or not and there are countless examples of AI being completely wrong; so many examples that it should not be trusted for any intelligence effort.
This is why the one company declined to allow their AI to be used for such planning and is now being black-balled by the administration; the administration wants to have someone or something else to blame avoidable disasters for. |
Video
Footage shows a UAE Air Force F-16E swooping low over Al Mamzar Beach to take down an incoming Iranian attack drone. You are at the beach in the UAE and see a Shahed-136 flying overhead, and later a UAEAF F-16 firing a Sidewinder to shoot down the drone. That’s how crazy the war in the Gulf region is nowadays. |
Mech Eng, it wasn’t just planning, Trumps regime wanted to use the AI to automatically launch weapons without human intervention.
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Nutloose, Do you have any evidence for that? If so, I would very much like to know.
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Do you have any evidence for that? If so, I would very much like to know. In other words, if DoD policy allows autonomous weapons release, it will be allowed….. https://openai.com/index/our-agreeme...rtment-of-war/ “……The AI System will not be used to independently direct autonomous weapons in any case where law, regulation, or Department policy requires human control,… https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/0...d-surveillance Weasel Words: OpenAI’s Pentagon Deal Won’t Stop AI‑Powered Surveillance |
Seem to be hitting the ports again. They seem to keep finding ships to sink, for all the claims that they’ve all been sunk already….
Video IRGC Navy vessel exploding off the coast of Kangan in southern Iran Reports of a major explosion near the Iranian port city of Bandar Abbas this morning. |
Iranian PR video. Doesn’t mean they were all used, they may well have just stitched together old clips.
Images of the moment of missile and drone launches in the Navy operation of the IRGC against the Al-Adairi, Kuwait US base. IRGC Navy attack on Camp Buehring in Kuwait appears to have included Paveh cruise missiles, Hadid jet-powered strike UAVs, guided Fajr-5 rockets, and an unknown strike UAV (resembling a pull-configuration Shahed-101 variant, although it could be a different system altogether). https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....07bbdeeeb.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b6b6ae1e2.jpeg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c3f83dcd1.jpeg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d2508dbee.jpeg |
Someone at Barnwood with a sense of humour….
Video Last night, UK military aircraft operated over the UAE alongside our Emirati hosts. Group Captain Sandy Sandilands, UK Defence Attaché to the UAE, explains more. You're telling me the British Defence Attache to a Desert country is a guy called "Captain Sandy Sandilands" |
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Looks like Trump wants an off-ramp and a way out of the war - but Iran isn’t interested.
He’s mounted a tiger and has no way to get off…… The Al Jazeera bureau chief in Tehran, Noureddine El-Dghir, reports from reliable sources that US President’s envoy, Steve Witkoff, has attempted to reach Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi, aiming to test Tehran’s willingness for a ceasefire. However, according to the sources, there is currently no Iranian interest in engaging, with another source confirming that Iran’s National Security Council has no discussion at this time regarding halting the war. |
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