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mike rondot 12th Dec 2023 11:39

Court mounting opens up the possibility of adding other awards, for example US DFCs and the Gulf War attendance medals mentioned above. Either leave it at home in its box or wear it on the right side along with commemorative/vanity issues/purchases. It would be helpful to know, because some individuals elect to use a long string of post-nominals, right down to BA(Hons), AMBIM etc. When printing their names I use their rank, Orders and gallantry awards. Honorary awards and memberships of professional bodies , Blue Peter badges etc, don't count.

It would be interesting to see this copper's business card or letterhead. I suspect he has a long list of attaboy post-nominals...

Whenurhappy 13th Dec 2023 04:37

Ancestor worship
 
I've seen this trend of wearing ancestors' medals get to ridiculous heights when I attended the Gallipoli Commemorations in Türkiye 8 years ago. NZ and Australian serving personnel were bedecked/festooned with ancestor medals from both unpleasantnesses on their right chests and their own medals on their left chest (plus name badges and unit citations), looking more like North Korean Admirals. It's shining in reflected glory conflated with a "my dad's a policeman" boastfulness.

in November I was invited to the local Club in my home counties market town to speak at their Remembrance Dinner. It was Black Tie with miniatures. I have a reasonable selection of medals, including the Coronation.Medal - awarded as a civilian - and a foreign one, but I was surprised how many of the old codgers (all men) were wearing bought medals, typically worn alongside GSM (Northern Ireland) or a TA Efficiency Medals. Medals such as "International Year of the Volunteer" and "NATO Cold War Medal" alongside various unofficial Jubilee medals. They should be proud of what they were officially awarded and not feel they have to big themselves up with tat.

Oh, and afterwards in the bar, several asked why I was wearing a foreign medal and was that permissible? When I was still serving I used to keep a photo copy of a letter from defense services secretariat with the authority from the palace to wear that award. Nor will I be in any hurry to join this particular Club. It was full of red-faced old racists and misogynists.

Sideshow Bob 13th Dec 2023 07:04


Originally Posted by mike rondot (Post 11555383)
Court mounting opens up the possibility of adding other awards, for example US DFCs and the Gulf War attendance medals mentioned above. Either leave it at home in its box or wear it on the right side along with commemorative/vanity issues/purchases. It would be helpful to know, because some individuals elect to use a long string of post-nominals, right down to BA(Hons), AMBIM etc. When printing their names I use their rank, Orders and gallantry awards. Honorary awards and memberships of professional bodies , Blue Peter badges etc, don't count.

It would be interesting to see this copper's business card or letterhead. I suspect he has a long list of attaboy post-nominals...

Just wondering why you think a Bachelor of Arts Degree awarded with Honours (BA(Hons)) is a honorary award, surely someone who has put in 3 / 4 years of hard work has the right to use post-nominals (p.s. no I don't have a BA(Hons), closest I get to the Arts is going to the Theatre).
In some industries (such as consulting) you are expected at least hold a bachelors degree, be Chartered, have relivent memberships (required to hold a charter), and be suitably qualified; as such, you may be required by your company to make sure you keep these up to date and demonstate them in your signature block.

mike rondot 13th Dec 2023 09:25

You have misunderstood - I did not imply that a BA(Hons) is an honorary award. I entirely agree that a degree of any type is a hard-earned qualification. I was referring to the small section of people who like to use a long string of post-nominals. It might be helpful to read my post again.

MPN11 13th Dec 2023 09:51


Originally Posted by mike rondot (Post 11555798)
..... I was referring to the small section of people who like to use a long string of post-nominals.

Which reminds me of my former neighbour, whose cheques [drawn on Coutts] had the imprint "Mr. [Name] MBE"

rugmuncher 13th Dec 2023 10:49

I really do hope that Mr Adderley is getting the help he needs.

He's really made a big mess for himself and those around him.

Walting-Cockwomble !!!!!

https://uk.linkedin.com/posts/northa...951304193-JopN






ShyTorque 13th Dec 2023 13:05


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 11555817)
Which reminds me of my former neighbour, whose cheques [drawn on Coutts] had the imprint "Mr. [Name] MBE"

A certain female moved near here some years back. She was a fairly attractive person and introduced herself to everyone as “Lady ******” at local venues. She also had the “Lady” prefix on her credit card, I did once briefly get a glimpse of it. By coincidence, she supposedly hailed from the small town that was my birthplace and where I’d lived for twenty years, and where my late parents lived all their lives. She was a fairly newly qualified PPL holder and after I’d met her a few times she asked me if I’d go flying with her because she wasn’t very confident and I agreed. I tried to engage her in conversation about her background, bearing in mind we were supposedly born and bred in the same small town but soon “hit a stone wall”. From what little she did tell me, I got some idea of which family she might have been from (most definitely not titled) but she denied it and refused to tell me her actual maiden name. My suspicions aroused, I made a few discreet inquiries but could find absolutely no evidence that either she, or her estranged husband held a title (she kept his surname, which by coincidence was my mother’s maiden name). I met him once but didn’t connect him to her at the time. She greatly irritated our local landlord and his staff - over time she earned a reputation for turning up at the pub after closing time and asking for a glass of tap water and seldom actually buying any drinks. Strange. I believe some of what she told me, but some of it just didn’t add up. Anyway, my wife took a very early dislike to her after the latter told her that she was “borrowing” me to go flying. My wife told me that she suspected that I might soon be borrowed for further purposes…

Discretion being the better part of valour etc, I thought it better to make myself unavailable.
I’ve not seen her for many years, but her attitude was very much of that of an imposter.

teeteringhead 13th Dec 2023 14:42

Knew a guy in our village who had one of these "Lord of the Manor" titles that you buy (or maybe it was bought for him). Put that on his chequebook ........

But then I also knew a senior RAF Officer who had two lots of medal post nominals (I won't specify which cos it might narrow down the field!) which were on HIS chequebook.

downsizer 13th Dec 2023 14:48

Do people still have chequebooks?

Ninthace 13th Dec 2023 15:54


Originally Posted by downsizer (Post 11555943)
Do people still have chequebooks?

Oh yes - haven't used it since Pontius went solo though. However, I do run the books for a charity and that still uses cheques which require 2 signatories.

Krystal n chips 13th Dec 2023 16:38


Originally Posted by teeteringhead (Post 11555940)
Knew a guy in our village who had one of these "Lord of the Manor" titles that you buy (or maybe it was bought for him). Put that on his chequebook ........

But then I also knew a senior RAF Officer who had two lots of medal post nominals (I won't specify which cos it might narrow down the field!) which were on HIS chequebook.

He's far from alone, I used to work with somebody who also had one of these "titles"...he offered to sign my passport photo's.....I "less than politely " declined.

As for post nominals, I also knew an engineer who had a selection of letters after his name, even included the courses / dates on his CV...alas, he didn't actually bother to do the courses and, a very cursory check revealed a glaring contradiction in the dates he helpfully provided.

His ultimate claim however was "Director Designate " for a now defunct cargo operator. Strangely, some simple enquiries revealed they'd never heard of him.

212man 13th Dec 2023 17:32


Originally Posted by downsizer (Post 11555943)
Do people still have chequebooks?

not in the USA - they have checkbooks.

beamer 13th Dec 2023 20:12

Put all my stuff in a box when I left - quite happy to just wear a poppy on Remembrance Sunday. It astonishes me that Mr Adderley has not been picked up on this before now.

megan 14th Dec 2023 01:24


It was full of red-faced old racists and misogynists
Likewise in Oz following Vietnam, troops were not permitted to join the Returned and Service League (RSL) because it had been decreed by the organisation that Vietnam was not a war. Was said by some that the organisation was populated by folk whose only war service was serving anywhere but the front line. Ex Vietnam vets now run the organisation.

Sideshow Bob 14th Dec 2023 06:35


Originally Posted by mike rondot (Post 11555798)
You have misunderstood - I did not imply that a BA(Hons) is an honorary award. I entirely agree that a degree of any type is a hard-earned qualification. I was referring to the small section of people who like to use a long string of post-nominals. It might be helpful to read my post again.

I guess it's just a matter of perception. example and conclusion being linked by my brian! What I really don't get the mentality of 'claiming' someone elses awards (even if worn on the right breast); personally, I'm not realy sure where my medals are (including my Iraq medal with clasp and my OSM for Afganistan with clasp), haven't gone looking for them since I left.

Ninthace 14th Dec 2023 12:20

Some post nominals can be as hard to earn as a degree. They don’t all come with time served and box tops. Some of them also require you to demonstrate continued competence and continuous professional development. Well some of mine did anyway. Others just required the presentation of a portfolio of competences and the passing of an exam. I had one professional body refuse an application so I sent them their membership list with a lots of names highlighted pointed out that I was the one that trained them, and they had been award the post nominal as a result of completing the training I had provided. Now I am retired, I don’t use any of them and most are lapsed so I would not be entitled anyway. Hands up though, I will admit to using one I still have if I think there is a chance of an upgrade - hasn’t worked yet though.

Davef68 14th Dec 2023 16:21

I have a group of post-nominals, all either academic or professional (Member of professional body, Chartered etc). The academic ones stay with me for life, the professional ones will lapse when I retire. They are only very occasionally used when my employer wants to put details on a tender or similar to show prospective customers we know what we are talking about. I don't think I have ever used them otherwise. But if I had an Award or Order, I'd probably use it (But that's never going to happen now!).

A friend who has a Military MBE uses that but none of his other (many) qualifications. Another who has a PhD doesn't even use 'Doctor', as, to quote him, 'A history Doctorate is no relevance to my current job'

The Chief Constable is curious, as to get to that rank he must have considerable leadership qualities - I suspect he's embellished his CV when young but been caught in that lie for the rest of his career

kiwi grey 14th Dec 2023 23:38


Originally Posted by downsizer (Post 11555943)
Do people still have chequebooks?

Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11556049)
not in the USA - they have checkbooks.


Not in New Zealand.
All the banks stopped issuing or accepting cheques (or checks) in mid 2021.
A few mostly elderly folks (and drug dealers) use cash, everyone else uses EFTPOS or bank transfer.

NutLoose 15th Dec 2023 01:32


Originally Posted by Davef68 (Post 11556550)
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The Chief Constable is curious, as to get to that rank he must have considerable leadership qualities - I suspect he's embellished his CV when young but been caught in that lie for the rest of his career

Yes's I mentioned that earlier, though he could have done things to limit the damage, such as slowly removing information about them from the police website site etc by updating his information until al he had out there was the ribbons on his uniform.

megan 15th Dec 2023 02:47


I suspect he's embellished his CV when young but been caught in that lie for the rest of his career
A bit like Eric "Winkle" Brown not wishing his biography written until after his death, obviously didn't want to be around to explain the lies he propagated. A reading of "Winkle" by Paul Beaver explains.


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