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NutLoose 18th Oct 2023 12:19

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Adderley

Perhaps there is a case to remove another medal, his Long service and GOOD CONDUCT medal.

langleybaston 18th Oct 2023 13:16


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11523283)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Adderley

Perhaps there is a case to remove another medal, his Long service and GOOD CONDUCT medal.

The Police medal [my daughter and her husband have one each] according to Wiki:
  • The reverse has the figure of Justice with scales in her left hand and a wreath in her right surrounded by the inscription 'FOR EXEMPLARY POLICE SERVICE'.
EXEMPLARY service, not only "long" and not only "good".

MPN11 18th Oct 2023 14:54

Despite not being qualified for the RAF LS&GC [with bar] due to the parsimonious rules, I was tempted to buy a replica. My son, the ultimate inheritor, supported the idea as a 'souvenir'. I just can't bring myself to buy a medal I'm not entitled to. Me? Goody two-shoes!

Akrotiri bad boy 18th Oct 2023 15:28

A slight hiccup during my service career, (hence the moniker) thwarted my claim to a Long Gong. Having been corrected I continued on for many more years to reach a glorious, but bare chested conclusion. My only hope of glamour rests on the vain hope of a "Cold War" medal being struck. Walt's like this plonker of a plod really grind my gears.:mad:

langleybaston 18th Oct 2023 19:22


Originally Posted by Akrotiri bad boy (Post 11523372)
A slight hiccup during my service career, (hence the moniker) thwarted my claim to a Long Gong. Having been corrected I continued on for many more years to reach a glorious, but bare chested conclusion. My only hope of glamour rests on the vain hope of a "Cold War" medal being struck. Walt's like this plonker of a plod really grind my gears.:mad:

In retrospect the Cold War never really ended, so there was never the right moment to celbrate: the Berlin Wall was a false dawn, the Peace Divident and Options were ill-considered.
Dear John, pig's gone, soldier on.

NutLoose 8th Dec 2023 12:16

Well, when you get caught wearing medals you are not entitled too, beware, others will start digging into your past and find other things..


A police chief constable who claimed he was a Royal Navy officer never achieved that rank, the BBC has learned.

Nick Adderley is currently suspended from Northamptonshire Police amid an investigation into his conduct over the wearing of military medals.

A panel for his police job was also told he spent 10 years in the service - but sources said he was enlisted for less than two.

Mr Adderley could not be reached for comment.

The Northamptonshire Police and Crime Panel was presented with a biography of Mr Adderley at a hearing to confirm his appointment to the top job in July 2018.

It stated that he had served in the Royal Navy for 10 years prior to joining the police in 1992.

However, Wirral Council has disclosed a magistrates' court record, showing he was the registered licensee for The Hooton Arms pub in Eastham between 1 June and 18 July 1990.

A source has corroborated the 57-year-old's time as a pub landlord during this period, and said "he had spoken about it quite openly".

The BBC has also been told Mr Adderley served in the Royal Navy for less than two years after starting training as a rating in 1984 and that he left because he wasn't suited for life in the service.

The Sun newspaper previously revealed that Mr Adderley had worn a Falklands War campaign medal despite him being 15 years old when the conflict took place in 1982.

A complaint was then made to the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) by a member of the public accusing him of misrepresenting his military service.

References to his spending a decade in the Royal Navy were also noted in press reports during his previous roles at Staffordshire and Cheshire Constabularies - as well as in a book.

Pete Higgins, 56, who joined up alongside Mr Adderley in 1984, has called on his former colleague to account for the apparent discrepancies in his career history and the controversy over the medals.

He said "common decency" required him to come forward and explain what had happened.

"We were basic trainees and joined up as seamen," he said.

"Myself and Nick decided to become Royal Navy gunners and we moved to HMS Cambridge to carry out that training."

A video showed Mr Adderley describing himself as a senior leader in the Royal Navy during a speech - and a photograph from Remembrance Day in 2019 depicted him wearing a naval officer's cap.

However Mr Adderley's name did not appear in a search of the official record of military promotions, the London Gazette, nor does it appear on the unofficial Navy List website which provides historic details of officers who have served.

"There are so many inconsistencies there," Mr Higgins said.

A Northamptonshire Police press release from last February stated the chief constable was a Falklands War veteran and that he had served 10 years in the Royal Navy.

Mr Adderley had previously said he "looks forward" to responding to the IOPC inquiry over his use of medals.

Northamptonshire Police said it could not comment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-67640326

Yellow Sun 8th Dec 2023 13:00


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11553538)
Well, when you get caught wearing medals you are not entitled too, beware, others will start digging into your past and find other things..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-67640326

If there is even a grain of truth in these new allegations it is deeply worrying. He must have been subject to Developed Vetting (PV in my day) so the question that must be asked is “Why were these inconsistencies not detected at that stage?” The stretching of the truth, exaggeration or omission of details can be used a leverage by those seeking to subvert. Equally important, it reveals a willingness and capacity to deceive on the part of the individual.

Whilst the new allegations remain to be verified, his wearing of a decoration to which he was not entitled seems to have been established beyond reasonable doubt and indicative of a serious character defect. This alone might be deemed sufficient to re-evaluate his suitability to be permitted access to sensitive information.

YS

beamer 8th Dec 2023 16:11

I live in his ‘patch’ and the local press are doing a lot of digging. Meanwhile he remains suspended upon full pay !

Asturias56 9th Dec 2023 08:25

why would you do something like this? It's crazy.......................... :ugh:

NutLoose 9th Dec 2023 11:54

Probably did it as a future young constable trying to impress and as he rose through the ranks he has had to live with the lie as there was no going back.

Even when found out his attempts to garner sympathy and transferring those ribbons to his right breast is still in a way a continuance of that lie, as the relatives that actually earned the awards are still living, so he still isn’t rightly entitled to wear them and even if they were not living, they were only supposed to be worn on the likes of remembrance days.

The decent thing to have done would have been resigned, as if he is sacked one wonders if his pension etc will be preserved, bearing in mind his promotions etc could have been swayed by his character and past history that is now in doubt.

It does as said earlier bring into question their vetting procedures.

Nigerian Expat Outlaw 9th Dec 2023 13:03


Originally Posted by beamer (Post 11553654)
I live in his ‘patch’ and the local press are doing a lot of digging. Meanwhile he remains suspended upon full pay !

Likewise. From local and National press reports our PFCC didn't get on with him from day one, so this must have presented itself as a gift from Heaven.

NEO

teej013 9th Dec 2023 13:55

Could he not be charged under the Fraud Act 2006 for Obtaining Money by Deception?

NutLoose 9th Dec 2023 17:47

I don’t know, hence why I mentioned his pension, is that if he is proven to be guilty, viewed as the gains from a fraud?


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beamer 9th Dec 2023 18:31

Maybe his temporary replacement could get the Northamptonshire PCSO’s to stop looking like scruffy private security guards ?

mike rondot 11th Dec 2023 20:05

The French Legion d'Honneur (Chevalier) or 5th Class of the award is being awarded in increasing numbers by the French Government to surviving British personnel from WWII. What, if any, status does this have and can it be worn alongside other war medals?

AR1 11th Dec 2023 21:36


Originally Posted by Akrotiri bad boy (Post 11523372)
A slight hiccup during my service career, (hence the moniker) thwarted my claim to a Long Gong...

Like you I found out that one out of two ain't good enough. And that's fine by me, yet recently having pulled my beret out for remembrance day I asked myself what the hell was I doing, it's about remembering them, not trumpeting me. I'm proud of it, but it's back in the draw. And that's where it's staying.

reynoldsno1 11th Dec 2023 23:08

My father was awarded the Croix de Guerre in 1944. He wore the ribbon on his uniform on the LEFT breast, but after all his UK medals.

NutLoose 11th Dec 2023 23:11

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a802607ed915d74e33f8bb2/JSP761_Part1.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7dc88040f0b65d8b4e3797/Guidelines_on_military_campaign_medals.pdf

mike rondot 12th Dec 2023 09:53

That's different, he was awarded it in 1944 and it was probably not the Chevalier 5th class. I am asking about the current distribution by the French and whether it should be worn on the right or left. I have seen a few pinned above the usual WWII sets on the left and some at the end of the set where it looks incongruous.


NutLoose 12th Dec 2023 11:06

This one is court mounted and his son is wearing it as such on his right side.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-13472494

These one's awarded are attached to their lapel

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3450054/More-40-British-Second-World-War-veterans-awarded-Legion-d-Honneur-French-government-heroics-D-Day-landings.html


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