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Another Walt? and a Chief Constable at that!
Apparently he has been wearing family medals alongside his own and he has even got the Falkands rosette for being in the war zone, he now says he is aware of the issue and is now wearing them on the other side of the Uniform instead, Can he? if the person they were awarded to is alive and kicking, then surely he cannot wear them, I thought it was for departed relatives medals.?
Nick Adderley, Chief Constable of Northamptonshire Police, has worn a South Atlantic medal on several occasions. Mr Adderley, 57, joined the Royal Navy in 1984 - two years after the Falklands. He was previously a cadet as a teenager, but they were not sent to serve in the war. He said in response that the medal question was a "very personal family issue" and that he wore two medals given to him by his brothers when one fell seriously ill and the other left the UK. Mr Adderley said that since a complaint was made against him last week, he had taken to wearing those two medals on the right side of his chest. Read more: Over 150 reports of police officers misusing body cameras, investigation finds Read more: Wounded hero of London post office shooting backs armed police standing down over Chris Kaba murder charge This is the correct etiquette, according to the Royal British Legion, which says that "medals awarded to a deceased Service / ex-Service person may be worn on the right breast by a near relative." The independent office for police conduct (IOPC) has launched an investigation against Mr Adderley, who could face a gross misconduct charge, the Sun reported. Former First Sea Lord Admiral Lord West, who won a Distinguished Service Cross for bravery in the Falklands, told the paper it was "very unfortunate when someone wears a medal they are not entitled to." He added: "They are misleading themselves and misleading people around them, especially if they are in a position of authority." Chief Constable for Northamptonshire Police, Nick Adderley, tells us what the #PoliceBravery Awards mean personally to him.@NorthantsChief @PoliceMutual pic.twitter.com/6gCe3y4s6h — Police Federation (@PFEW_HQ) July 13, 2023Mr Adderley was spotted wearing the medals on the left side of his chest at the Police Bravery Awards in July. A press release by Northamptonshire Police also said that he served in the Navy for ten years including in the Falklands. The release has since been scrubbed from the website, but it remains live on a site that is affiliated with the force. Police Oracle, a police news website, also has an interview with Adderley where he is described as having served in the Falklands. Other news articles going back nearly ten years report that he served in the Falklands, and have remained uncorrected. Mr Adderley has also been seen wearing a Campaign Service Medal, which is usually given out awarded for serving in Northern Ireland. "Coming from a military family, I wear all my medals with pride and have always worn the two medals my brothers gave me to wear when one became critically ill and one emigrated, alongside my own. "Having been made aware of this complaint, which has a private family impact upon me personally, I immediately took advice last week regarding the protocol and have changed the side of my chest on which these medals are worn. “I look forward to providing the IOPC with a fulsome response at the earliest opportunity and I fully appreciate that they have a job to do.” |
Out of curiosity I wonder what constitutes a near relative. My grandfather died at Arnhem in 1944. I wore his miniatures on my right breast during the VE Day commemorations in 2020 and would like to do so at Arnhem next year. Is that appropriate?
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I thought medals of deceased close relatives were worn on the right breast. That would exclude poorly and emigrated brothers.
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Originally Posted by Gordon Brown
(Post 11511479)
Out of curiosity I wonder what constitutes a near relative. My grandfather died at Arnhem in 1944. I wore his miniatures on my right breast during the VE Day commemorations in 2020 and would like to do so at Arnhem next year. Is that appropriate?
Wearing of medalsYou should only wear official decorations, medals or emblems that you are entitled to and have been approved for acceptance and wear. Unofficial medals should not be worn with official orders, decorations and medals.If you are the next of kin of a deceased service person, it is common practice to wear your relative’s decorations and medals as a mark of remembrance. It is custom to wear medals on the right breast in civilian dress only, official approval is not required to wear relative’s medals. Current serving personnel should not wear relative’s medals or unofficial medals whilst wearing uniform. Ensure that your replica and miniature medals are bought from an officially licensed replica medal manufacturer. The merchandise licensing programme generates much needed revenue for our Armed Forces welfare funds that supports Serving and Ex-Serving members of the Armed Forces and their families. A person's next of kin may be that person's spouse, adopted family member or closest living blood relative. Some countries, such as the United States, have a legal definition of "next of kin". In other countries, such as the United Kingdom, "next of kin" may have no legal definition and may not necessarily refer to blood relatives at all. |
Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11511505)
I thought medals of deceased close relatives were worn on the right breast. That would exclude poorly and emigrated brothers.
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It's a very interesting situation! A miniature medal is not an official medal and in some quarters it seems to be worn as a simple item of 'bling'. Somewhere I saw a report that a person wearing miniatures used the defence that it is the full size medal than can't be worn and as the miniature is not seen as even a copy of the appropriate medal, anyone can wear it.
As there are now a shed load of 'commemorative' medals available to be purchased, the problem is set to get worse - latest I saw was genuine and commemorative medals mixed up on the same chest. Old Duffer |
Well you're assuming he's a Chief Constable
I mean there are many places where you can buy or rent that uniform . . . oh wait - I thought this was the JetBlast thread :confused: |
My understanding was that medals appertaining to a deceased relative could be worn on the right breast on an appropriate occasion - ie remembrance ceremony, funeral, appropriate military function etc. This senior plod appears to be either ignorant of basic protocols or is a fantasist. I note that at least two of his other gongs are freebie Jubilee medals whilst the others appear to be a NI GSM and a long service Police award.
I’ve noticed a lot of the ‘medals’ dished out by Kuwait and Saudi are appearing upon Remembrance Day….wonder where I put mine ? |
GSM and Falklands medals are not his, he is not entitled to be wearing them full stop.
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Although I did not serve for long (2 years) I can say with certainty that I never once saw medals or ribbons being displayed on the right hand side of a uniform.
Since then I've seen the odd example on veteran's or widow's blazers or uniforms at Remembrance day events but not on a serving person's uniform. Is it even permitted? |
You are not allowed to wear them on a uniform, only on civilian dress
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I’ve noticed a lot of the ‘medals’ dished out by Kuwait and Saudi are appearing upon Remembrance Day….wonder where I put mine ? Such as these, perhaps? And why the heck shouldn't those awarded such medals be permitted to wear them? |
Originally Posted by BEagle
(Post 11511655)
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....099ab75dfa.jpg
Such as these, perhaps? And why the heck shouldn't those awards such medal be permitted to wear them? |
Probably because her late Majesty permitted Service personnel to accept these medals but NOT to wear them. WWW.Gov.Uk I gather that some personnel awarded those medals wear them behind their mess kit lapels? |
BEagle
Not bolleaux at all. If you got the Gulf War Medal, as shown in the group above, then you have medallic recognition for your operational time. The same goes for me, I have the Op HERRICK medal with clasp, but NATO also presented me with a non-Article 5 medal too- I can accept that, but not wear it. Otherwise I would have 2 medals for the same operational service - very Waltish, indeed. I gave my non-Article 5 medal to my daughter for looking after Mummy whilst I was away :) My medal group will never contain it as to do so would be Waltish and disrespectful of the Monarch who asked me to accept it but not wear it… |
The UK rule is/was no double medalling i.e. service(wo)men should not be issued with two medals for the same period of service, This has occasionally been relaxed for diplomatic reasons to allow acceptance but not wearing with permission from the monarch, UK personnel were also issued with the UN Service Medal Korea but could only wear the UK one (my late uncle told me he thought it stupid that he couldn't wear both). This was the reason no UK medals were issued for the 1990 Balkan 'campaigns' as there were already NATO and UN ones. There was a review in the early 2010s that recommended abolishing the rule , not sure what happened, (Crossed with LJ's post)
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Originally Posted by Lima Juliet
(Post 11511727)
BEagle
Not bolleaux at all. If you got the Gulf War Medal, as shown in the group above, then you have medallic recognition for your operational time. The same goes for me, I have the Op HERRICK medal with clasp, but NATO also presented me with a non-Article 5 medal too- I can accept that, but not wear it. Otherwise I would have 2 medals for the same operational service - very Waltish, indeed. I gave my non-Article 5 medal to my daughter for looking after Mummy whilst I was away :) My medal group will never contain it as to do so would be Waltish and disrespectful of the Monarch who asked me to accept it but not wear it… |
Beware - Royal Humane Society medals and I think things like the Sea Gallantry Medal are always worn on the right - it can get a bit confusing!!!
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Originally Posted by SLXOwft
(Post 11511731)
The UK rule is/was no double medalling i.e. service(wo)men should not be issued with two medals for the same period of service, This has occasionally been relaxed for diplomatic reasons to allow acceptance but not wearing with permission from the monarch, UK personnel were also issued with the UN Service Medal Korea but could only wear the UK one (my late uncle told me he thought it stupid that he couldn't wear both). This was the reason no UK medals were issued for the 1990 Balkan 'campaigns' as there were already NATO and UN ones. There was a review in the early 2010s that recommended abolishing the rule , not sure what happened, (Crossed with LJ's post)
....and why it was inappropriate to give WW2 Bomber Command personnel their own medal when they had also been issued with either the Aircrew Star Europe or the France & Germany Star. |
It really doesn't matter tho'
if you've received a medal from anyone (and accepted it ) it's yours. You and only you know if it was deserved or came up with the rations. Anyone who wears a medal to which they are not entitled is either trying to con other people or themselves. In this day and age, with the internet, it's also exceedingly stupid. |
Originally Posted by Wensleydale
(Post 11511853)
....and why it was inappropriate to give WW2 Bomber Command personnel their own medal when they had also been issued with either the Aircrew Star Europe or the France & Germany Star.
The Bomber Command clasp was only 78 years late, which was shameful treatment of people who had a 25% chance of getting through an op tour unscathed. |
I have a medal presented to me in 1956 commemorating the royal review of the Church Lads Brigade in Hyde Park but I've never been able to wear it; I think it could be worn on the right breast.
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JSP 761 is the gospel on such matters. https://assets.publishing.service.go...P761_Part1.pdf
It comes under the command and direction of the Defence Council (heads of the Military, Ministerial and Civil Service pillars) who direct under the scrutiny of the Monarch (every new award recommendation will be presented to the Palace for approval). So, if the JSP says “no” then you shall not wear it. Of course as a civvy you can become a “Walten Commando” and wear what you like. You can buy all of the unofficial bling from the likes of Award Medals (https://www.awardmedals.com) and dress up like Uncle Albert from Only Fools if you like - sadly there is no anti-Walt legislation in the UK like other countries. The only defences are the newspapers and the Walter Mitty Hunters Club: https://thewaltermittyhuntersclubhq.com who will publicly call out any Waltish medal groups worn at memorial services. |
And who were double-medalled anyway via the 1939-1945 Star. |
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...edal-complaint
Northamptonshire police chief suspended over Falklands war medal complaint A chief constable has been placed under criminal investigation and suspended over claims that he wore a military medal from the Falklands campaign despite not having fought in it. Nick Adderley, the chief constable of Northamptonshire police, is under investigation by the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC), which will examine whether the offences of misconduct in public office and fraud by false representation may have been committed.….. An IOPC spokesperson said: “The Independent Office for Police Conduct is criminally investigating the chief constable of Northamptonshire over allegations that he has potentially misrepresented his military service, both in public and in communications with the police, fire and crime commissioner. “We have advised the chief constable in a criminal letter that we are examining possible offences of misconduct in public office and fraud by false representation. “After reviewing information gathered so far as part of our investigation, we have also served a gross misconduct notice on the chief constable for potential breaches of police professional standards relating to honesty and integrity, orders and instructions and conduct.”….. |
Originally Posted by Redongo
(Post 11511793)
I agree with the above sentiment however certain Armies (eg Australian) allow all medals to be worn regardless - at once stage you could get an instant rack of 3-4 medals for serving once in the MEAO! Including spending the entire tour based at “war zone” Doha in UAE 😳
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I read it earlier on line, and I still think what he is doing is incorrect, namely wearing someone elses medals on the right side of his uniform that are still living, also they are only supposed to be worn at remembrance parades etc, not as a bit of bling to tart up his uniform. Not only is he wearing two relatives medals, not one group, it is only civilian clothing NOT uniforms that they are to be worn on..
Military protocol allows someone to wear military medals they have not themselves won but they must be worn on a different side of the chest from any medals they have earned. After the allegations surfaced in September, Adderley said: “Coming from a military family, I wear all my medals with pride and have always worn the two medals my brothers gave me to wear when one became critically ill and one emigrated, alongside my own. “Having been made aware of this complaint, which has a private family impact upon me personally, I immediately took advice last week regarding the protocol and have changed the side of my chest on which these medals are worn.” Wearing of medalsYou should only wear official decorations, medals or emblems that you are entitled to and have been approved for acceptance and wear. Unofficial medals should not be worn with official orders, decorations and medals.If you are the next of kin of a deceased service person, it is common practice to wear your relative’s decorations and medals as a mark of remembrance. It is custom to wear medals on the right breast in civilian dress only, official approval is not required to wear relative’s medals. Current serving personnel should not wear relative’s medals or unofficial medals whilst wearing uniform. Ensure that your replica and miniature medals are bought from an officially licensed replica medal manufacturer. The merchandise licensing programme generates much needed revenue for our Armed Forces welfare funds that supports Serving and Ex-Serving members of the Armed Forces and their families. |
Does this mean that I can legally wear medals earned by my father, who died in 1997, on the right side of my chest?
NB: I wouldn't do that but I'm just asking. |
Yes, in Civis at a remembrance etc... that quote is from the Gov site.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11522393)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...edal-complaint
Northamptonshire police chief suspended over Falklands war medal complaint A chief constable has been placed under criminal investigation and suspended over claims that he wore a military medal from the Falklands campaign despite not having fought in it. Nick Adderley, the chief constable of Northamptonshire police, is under investigation by the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC), which will examine whether the offences of misconduct in public office and fraud by false representation may have been committed.….. An IOPC spokesperson said: “The Independent Office for Police Conduct is criminally investigating the chief constable of Northamptonshire over allegations that he has potentially misrepresented his military service, both in public and in communications with the police, fire and crime commissioner. “We have advised the chief constable in a criminal letter that we are examining possible offences of misconduct in public office and fraud by false representation. “After reviewing information gathered so far as part of our investigation, we have also served a gross misconduct notice on the chief constable for potential breaches of police professional standards relating to honesty and integrity, orders and instructions and conduct.”….. |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11522789)
That's quite a list of offences, what's the fraud angle?
The unauthorised wearing of medals was previously made illegal by Winston Churchill after World War One. But when the new Armed Forces Act came into force in 2006, provisions relating to military decorations were not carried over. The Ministry of Defence, which gave evidence to the committee, argued that there had been problems with the way the original legislation was drafted. Anyone improperly using medals for financial gain would be caught by the Fraud Act which carried higher penalties, said the MoD. The defence committee's report, entitled Exposing Walter Mitty, said such laws were "commonplace" in other countries and that the unauthorised wearing of medals constituted "a harm that is worthy of specific criminal prohibition". https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3337811.html |
So where is the financial gain?
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I'd put a fiver or three on him knowing exactly what the 'rules' about medal wearing were / are, and the impression he was giving to his seniors, juniors and onlookers alike.
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Originally Posted by SilsoeSid
(Post 11522927)
I'd put a fiver or three on him knowing exactly what the 'rules' about medal wearing were / are, and the impression he was giving to his seniors, juniors and onlookers alike.
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Perhaps 212 would be kind enough to explain the financial gain angle? The clear part.
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He got the job under false pretences?
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11522892)
So where is the financial gain?
If they were seen to have improved his chances of promotion etc and an increase in salary that goes with it? If he has attended any function where he has worn those medals or ribbons or they have been used to infer he has them, and transport, lunch or accommodation has been provided? As an example a guest speaker at a luncheon, the free meal has financially benefitted him. If he has publicly used the medals to increase his standing in society and has been a trustee of any organisation? |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11523051)
it could be a myriad of things…
If they were seen to have improved his chances of promotion etc and an increase in salary that goes with it? If he has attended any function where he has worn those medals or ribbons or they have been used to infer he has them, and transport, lunch or accommodation has been provided? As an example a guest speaker at a luncheon, the free meal has financially benefitted him. If he has publicly used the medals to increase his standing in society and has been a trustee of any organisation? Chinese proverb: a good reputation endureth for ever. And the converse. |
His bio claimed Falklands service, now deleted but he didn't correct it until outed
'Mr Adderley served in the Royal Navy for 10 years including in the Falklands War, according to a Northamptonshire Police press release' |
Originally Posted by ZH875
(Post 11523262)
His bio claimed Falklands service, now deleted but he didn't correct it until outed
'Mr Adderley served in the Royal Navy for 10 years including in the Falklands War, according to a Northamptonshire Police press release' Silly ar$e, such a petty vanity to do so much damage. |
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