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Another Walt? and a Chief Constable at that!

Old 29th Sep 2023, 14:50
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Another Walt? and a Chief Constable at that!

Apparently he has been wearing family medals alongside his own and he has even got the Falkands rosette for being in the war zone, he now says he is aware of the issue and is now wearing them on the other side of the Uniform instead, Can he? if the person they were awarded to is alive and kicking, then surely he cannot wear them, I thought it was for departed relatives medals.?


Nick Adderley, Chief Constable of Northamptonshire Police, has worn a South Atlantic medal on several occasions.

Mr Adderley, 57, joined the Royal Navy in 1984 - two years after the Falklands. He was previously a cadet as a teenager, but they were not sent to serve in the war.

He said in response that the medal question was a "very personal family issue" and that he wore two medals given to him by his brothers when one fell seriously ill and the other left the UK.

Mr Adderley said that since a complaint was made against him last week, he had taken to wearing those two medals on the right side of his chest.

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This is the correct etiquette, according to the Royal British Legion, which says that "medals awarded to a deceased Service / ex-Service person may be worn on the right breast by a near relative."

The independent office for police conduct (IOPC) has launched an investigation against Mr Adderley, who could face a gross misconduct charge, the Sun reported.

Former First Sea Lord Admiral Lord West, who won a Distinguished Service Cross for bravery in the Falklands, told the paper it was "very unfortunate when someone wears a medal they are not entitled to."

He added: "They are misleading themselves and misleading people around them, especially if they are in a position of authority."
Chief Constable for Northamptonshire Police, Nick Adderley, tells us what the #PoliceBravery Awards mean personally to him.@NorthantsChief @PoliceMutual pic.twitter.com/6gCe3y4s6h
— Police Federation (@PFEW_HQ) July 13, 2023Mr Adderley was spotted wearing the medals on the left side of his chest at the Police Bravery Awards in July.

A press release by Northamptonshire Police also said that he served in the Navy for ten years including in the Falklands. The release has since been scrubbed from the website, but it remains live on a site that is affiliated with the force.

Police Oracle, a police news website, also has an interview with Adderley where he is described as having served in the Falklands.

Other news articles going back nearly ten years report that he served in the Falklands, and have remained uncorrected.

Mr Adderley has also been seen wearing a Campaign Service Medal, which is usually given out awarded for serving in Northern Ireland.

"Coming from a military family, I wear all my medals with pride and have always worn the two medals my brothers gave me to wear when one became critically ill and one emigrated, alongside my own.

"Having been made aware of this complaint, which has a private family impact upon me personally, I immediately took advice last week regarding the protocol and have changed the side of my chest on which these medals are worn.

“I look forward to providing the IOPC with a fulsome response at the earliest opportunity and I fully appreciate that they have a job to do.”
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/nick-adde...-investigation
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Out of curiosity I wonder what constitutes a near relative. My grandfather died at Arnhem in 1944. I wore his miniatures on my right breast during the VE Day commemorations in 2020 and would like to do so at Arnhem next year. Is that appropriate?
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I thought medals of deceased close relatives were worn on the right breast. That would exclude poorly and emigrated brothers.
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Originally Posted by Gordon Brown
Out of curiosity I wonder what constitutes a near relative. My grandfather died at Arnhem in 1944. I wore his miniatures on my right breast during the VE Day commemorations in 2020 and would like to do so at Arnhem next year. Is that appropriate?
Yes I would say that is fine and I would wear them with pride .

Wearing of medals

You should only wear official decorations, medals or emblems that you are entitled to and have been approved for acceptance and wear. Unofficial medals should not be worn with official orders, decorations and medals.

If you are the next of kin of a deceased service person, it is common practice to wear your relative’s decorations and medals as a mark of remembrance. It is custom to wear medals on the right breast in civilian dress only, official approval is not required to wear relative’s medals.

Current serving personnel should not wear relative’s medals or unofficial medals whilst wearing uniform.

Ensure that your replica and miniature medals are bought from an officially licensed replica medal manufacturer. The merchandise licensing programme generates much needed revenue for our Armed Forces welfare funds that supports Serving and Ex-Serving members of the Armed Forces and their families.
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A person's next of kin may be that person's spouse, adopted family member or closest living blood relative. Some countries, such as the United States, have a legal definition of "next of kin". In other countries, such as the United Kingdom, "next of kin" may have no legal definition and may not necessarily refer to blood relatives at all.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/medals-c...ring-of-medals

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Originally Posted by Ninthace
I thought medals of deceased close relatives were worn on the right breast. That would exclude poorly and emigrated brothers.
Thats how I always saw it.
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It's a very interesting situation! A miniature medal is not an official medal and in some quarters it seems to be worn as a simple item of 'bling'. Somewhere I saw a report that a person wearing miniatures used the defence that it is the full size medal than can't be worn and as the miniature is not seen as even a copy of the appropriate medal, anyone can wear it.

As there are now a shed load of 'commemorative' medals available to be purchased, the problem is set to get worse - latest I saw was genuine and commemorative medals mixed up on the same chest.

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Well you're assuming he's a Chief Constable

I mean there are many places where you can buy or rent that uniform . . .






oh wait - I thought this was the JetBlast thread
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My understanding was that medals appertaining to a deceased relative could be worn on the right breast on an appropriate occasion - ie remembrance ceremony, funeral, appropriate military function etc. This senior plod appears to be either ignorant of basic protocols or is a fantasist. I note that at least two of his other gongs are freebie Jubilee medals whilst the others appear to be a NI GSM and a long service Police award.

I’ve noticed a lot of the ‘medals’ dished out by Kuwait and Saudi are appearing upon Remembrance Day….wonder where I put mine ?
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GSM and Falklands medals are not his, he is not entitled to be wearing them full stop.
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Although I did not serve for long (2 years) I can say with certainty that I never once saw medals or ribbons being displayed on the right hand side of a uniform.
Since then I've seen the odd example on veteran's or widow's blazers or uniforms at Remembrance day events but not on a serving person's uniform. Is it even permitted?
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You are not allowed to wear them on a uniform, only on civilian dress
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I’ve noticed a lot of the ‘medals’ dished out by Kuwait and Saudi are appearing upon Remembrance Day….wonder where I put mine ?

Such as these, perhaps?

And why the heck shouldn't those awarded such medals be permitted to wear them?

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Originally Posted by BEagle

Such as these, perhaps?

And why the heck shouldn't those awards such medal be permitted to wear them?
Probably because her late Majesty permitted Service personnel to accept these medals but NOT to wear them. WWW.Gov.Uk
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Probably because her late Majesty permitted Service personnel to accept these medals but NOT to wear them. WWW.Gov.Uk
Which was utter bolleaux! Other nations permitted them to be worn, but seemingly not the UK.

I gather that some personnel awarded those medals wear them behind their mess kit lapels?
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Not bolleaux at all. If you got the Gulf War Medal, as shown in the group above, then you have medallic recognition for your operational time. The same goes for me, I have the Op HERRICK medal with clasp, but NATO also presented me with a non-Article 5 medal too- I can accept that, but not wear it. Otherwise I would have 2 medals for the same operational service - very Waltish, indeed.

I gave my non-Article 5 medal to my daughter for looking after Mummy whilst I was away My medal group will never contain it as to do so would be Waltish and disrespectful of the Monarch who asked me to accept it but not wear it…
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The UK rule is/was no double medalling i.e. service(wo)men should not be issued with two medals for the same period of service, This has occasionally been relaxed for diplomatic reasons to allow acceptance but not wearing with permission from the monarch, UK personnel were also issued with the UN Service Medal Korea but could only wear the UK one (my late uncle told me he thought it stupid that he couldn't wear both). This was the reason no UK medals were issued for the 1990 Balkan 'campaigns' as there were already NATO and UN ones. There was a review in the early 2010s that recommended abolishing the rule , not sure what happened, (Crossed with LJ's post)
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Not bolleaux at all. If you got the Gulf War Medal, as shown in the group above, then you have medallic recognition for your operational time. The same goes for me, I have the Op HERRICK medal with clasp, but NATO also presented me with a non-Article 5 medal too- I can accept that, but not wear it. Otherwise I would have 2 medals for the same operational service - very Waltish, indeed.

I gave my non-Article 5 medal to my daughter for looking after Mummy whilst I was away My medal group will never contain it as to do so would be Waltish and disrespectful of the Monarch who asked me to accept it but not wear it…
I agree with the above sentiment however certain Armies (eg Australian) allow all medals to be worn regardless - at once stage you could get an instant rack of 3-4 medals for serving once in the MEAO! Including spending the entire tour based at “war zone” Doha in UAE 😳
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Beware - Royal Humane Society medals and I think things like the Sea Gallantry Medal are always worn on the right - it can get a bit confusing!!!
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Originally Posted by SLXOwft
The UK rule is/was no double medalling i.e. service(wo)men should not be issued with two medals for the same period of service, This has occasionally been relaxed for diplomatic reasons to allow acceptance but not wearing with permission from the monarch, UK personnel were also issued with the UN Service Medal Korea but could only wear the UK one (my late uncle told me he thought it stupid that he couldn't wear both). This was the reason no UK medals were issued for the 1990 Balkan 'campaigns' as there were already NATO and UN ones. There was a review in the early 2010s that recommended abolishing the rule , not sure what happened, (Crossed with LJ's post)

....and why it was inappropriate to give WW2 Bomber Command personnel their own medal when they had also been issued with either the Aircrew Star Europe or the France & Germany Star.
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It really doesn't matter tho'

if you've received a medal from anyone (and accepted it ) it's yours. You and only you know if it was deserved or came up with the rations.

Anyone who wears a medal to which they are not entitled is either trying to con other people or themselves.

In this day and age, with the internet, it's also exceedingly stupid.



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