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Originally Posted by Wensleydale
(Post 11511853)
....and why it was inappropriate to give WW2 Bomber Command personnel their own medal when they had also been issued with either the Aircrew Star Europe or the France & Germany Star.
The Bomber Command clasp was only 78 years late, which was shameful treatment of people who had a 25% chance of getting through an op tour unscathed. |
I have a medal presented to me in 1956 commemorating the royal review of the Church Lads Brigade in Hyde Park but I've never been able to wear it; I think it could be worn on the right breast.
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JSP 761 is the gospel on such matters. https://assets.publishing.service.go...P761_Part1.pdf
It comes under the command and direction of the Defence Council (heads of the Military, Ministerial and Civil Service pillars) who direct under the scrutiny of the Monarch (every new award recommendation will be presented to the Palace for approval). So, if the JSP says “no” then you shall not wear it. Of course as a civvy you can become a “Walten Commando” and wear what you like. You can buy all of the unofficial bling from the likes of Award Medals (https://www.awardmedals.com) and dress up like Uncle Albert from Only Fools if you like - sadly there is no anti-Walt legislation in the UK like other countries. The only defences are the newspapers and the Walter Mitty Hunters Club: https://thewaltermittyhuntersclubhq.com who will publicly call out any Waltish medal groups worn at memorial services. |
And who were double-medalled anyway via the 1939-1945 Star. |
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...edal-complaint
Northamptonshire police chief suspended over Falklands war medal complaint A chief constable has been placed under criminal investigation and suspended over claims that he wore a military medal from the Falklands campaign despite not having fought in it. Nick Adderley, the chief constable of Northamptonshire police, is under investigation by the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC), which will examine whether the offences of misconduct in public office and fraud by false representation may have been committed.….. An IOPC spokesperson said: “The Independent Office for Police Conduct is criminally investigating the chief constable of Northamptonshire over allegations that he has potentially misrepresented his military service, both in public and in communications with the police, fire and crime commissioner. “We have advised the chief constable in a criminal letter that we are examining possible offences of misconduct in public office and fraud by false representation. “After reviewing information gathered so far as part of our investigation, we have also served a gross misconduct notice on the chief constable for potential breaches of police professional standards relating to honesty and integrity, orders and instructions and conduct.”….. |
Originally Posted by Redongo
(Post 11511793)
I agree with the above sentiment however certain Armies (eg Australian) allow all medals to be worn regardless - at once stage you could get an instant rack of 3-4 medals for serving once in the MEAO! Including spending the entire tour based at “war zone” Doha in UAE 😳
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I read it earlier on line, and I still think what he is doing is incorrect, namely wearing someone elses medals on the right side of his uniform that are still living, also they are only supposed to be worn at remembrance parades etc, not as a bit of bling to tart up his uniform. Not only is he wearing two relatives medals, not one group, it is only civilian clothing NOT uniforms that they are to be worn on..
Military protocol allows someone to wear military medals they have not themselves won but they must be worn on a different side of the chest from any medals they have earned. After the allegations surfaced in September, Adderley said: “Coming from a military family, I wear all my medals with pride and have always worn the two medals my brothers gave me to wear when one became critically ill and one emigrated, alongside my own. “Having been made aware of this complaint, which has a private family impact upon me personally, I immediately took advice last week regarding the protocol and have changed the side of my chest on which these medals are worn.” Wearing of medalsYou should only wear official decorations, medals or emblems that you are entitled to and have been approved for acceptance and wear. Unofficial medals should not be worn with official orders, decorations and medals.If you are the next of kin of a deceased service person, it is common practice to wear your relative’s decorations and medals as a mark of remembrance. It is custom to wear medals on the right breast in civilian dress only, official approval is not required to wear relative’s medals. Current serving personnel should not wear relative’s medals or unofficial medals whilst wearing uniform. Ensure that your replica and miniature medals are bought from an officially licensed replica medal manufacturer. The merchandise licensing programme generates much needed revenue for our Armed Forces welfare funds that supports Serving and Ex-Serving members of the Armed Forces and their families. |
Does this mean that I can legally wear medals earned by my father, who died in 1997, on the right side of my chest?
NB: I wouldn't do that but I'm just asking. |
Yes, in Civis at a remembrance etc... that quote is from the Gov site.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11522393)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...edal-complaint
Northamptonshire police chief suspended over Falklands war medal complaint A chief constable has been placed under criminal investigation and suspended over claims that he wore a military medal from the Falklands campaign despite not having fought in it. Nick Adderley, the chief constable of Northamptonshire police, is under investigation by the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC), which will examine whether the offences of misconduct in public office and fraud by false representation may have been committed.….. An IOPC spokesperson said: “The Independent Office for Police Conduct is criminally investigating the chief constable of Northamptonshire over allegations that he has potentially misrepresented his military service, both in public and in communications with the police, fire and crime commissioner. “We have advised the chief constable in a criminal letter that we are examining possible offences of misconduct in public office and fraud by false representation. “After reviewing information gathered so far as part of our investigation, we have also served a gross misconduct notice on the chief constable for potential breaches of police professional standards relating to honesty and integrity, orders and instructions and conduct.”….. |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11522789)
That's quite a list of offences, what's the fraud angle?
The unauthorised wearing of medals was previously made illegal by Winston Churchill after World War One. But when the new Armed Forces Act came into force in 2006, provisions relating to military decorations were not carried over. The Ministry of Defence, which gave evidence to the committee, argued that there had been problems with the way the original legislation was drafted. Anyone improperly using medals for financial gain would be caught by the Fraud Act which carried higher penalties, said the MoD. The defence committee's report, entitled Exposing Walter Mitty, said such laws were "commonplace" in other countries and that the unauthorised wearing of medals constituted "a harm that is worthy of specific criminal prohibition". https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3337811.html |
So where is the financial gain?
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I'd put a fiver or three on him knowing exactly what the 'rules' about medal wearing were / are, and the impression he was giving to his seniors, juniors and onlookers alike.
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Originally Posted by SilsoeSid
(Post 11522927)
I'd put a fiver or three on him knowing exactly what the 'rules' about medal wearing were / are, and the impression he was giving to his seniors, juniors and onlookers alike.
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Perhaps 212 would be kind enough to explain the financial gain angle? The clear part.
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He got the job under false pretences?
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11522892)
So where is the financial gain?
If they were seen to have improved his chances of promotion etc and an increase in salary that goes with it? If he has attended any function where he has worn those medals or ribbons or they have been used to infer he has them, and transport, lunch or accommodation has been provided? As an example a guest speaker at a luncheon, the free meal has financially benefitted him. If he has publicly used the medals to increase his standing in society and has been a trustee of any organisation? |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11523051)
it could be a myriad of things…
If they were seen to have improved his chances of promotion etc and an increase in salary that goes with it? If he has attended any function where he has worn those medals or ribbons or they have been used to infer he has them, and transport, lunch or accommodation has been provided? As an example a guest speaker at a luncheon, the free meal has financially benefitted him. If he has publicly used the medals to increase his standing in society and has been a trustee of any organisation? Chinese proverb: a good reputation endureth for ever. And the converse. |
His bio claimed Falklands service, now deleted but he didn't correct it until outed
'Mr Adderley served in the Royal Navy for 10 years including in the Falklands War, according to a Northamptonshire Police press release' |
Originally Posted by ZH875
(Post 11523262)
His bio claimed Falklands service, now deleted but he didn't correct it until outed
'Mr Adderley served in the Royal Navy for 10 years including in the Falklands War, according to a Northamptonshire Police press release' Silly ar$e, such a petty vanity to do so much damage. |
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