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RAFEngO74to09 13th Aug 2023 21:37

MiG-23 Crash - Michigan - 13 Aug 23
 
Thunder Over Michigan Airshow


RAFEngO74to09 13th Aug 2023 21:45

Wreckage narrowly missed a busy multiple lane highway


rattman 13th Aug 2023 21:49

Dodgy maintainence ? Same plane lost its canopy in flight at Oshkosh this year.

MiG-23UB N23UB (8107) #A207EB lost a forward canopy window over EAA Airventure 2023 at Oshkosh.

RAFEngO74to09 13th Aug 2023 21:53

It was the MiG-23UB owned by Dan Filer who has 7 other former Soviet jets in his collection.

He is a former USN A-6 pilot and now an A320 captain



RAFEngO74to09 13th Aug 2023 22:06

Happier day at an earlier show


GeeRam 13th Aug 2023 22:08

Another angle in this Youtube clip.......its almost as if the donk had flamed out, it sounds in this clip if it's no more than idle perhaps?


Crew were lucky to get out looking at the KM-1 seat parameters and method of ejecting.
Could have been a terrible outcome on the ground, but seems luck intervened.

RAFEngO74to09 13th Aug 2023 22:14

Debris narrowly missed the apartment complex in this photo

https://www.detroitnews.com/gcdn/aut...pjpg&auto=webp

RAFEngO74to09 13th Aug 2023 22:15

Another view of the ejections


LowObservable 13th Aug 2023 22:28

This was the airplane that struck fear into the USAF Red Hats at Tonopah. Can't help wondering about the judgement behind making it a civilian air show performer.

itsnotthatbloodyhard 13th Aug 2023 22:35

Interesting that they didn’t roll wings level before ejecting - perhaps they couldn’t, for some reason?

Capt Fathom 13th Aug 2023 22:59


Could have been a terrible outcome on the ground, but seems luck intervened.
I guess it’s natural to want to save yourself, but it’s a big call to abandon your jet in a residential area.

421dog 13th Aug 2023 23:06


Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim (Post 11484285)
They got out for a reason, quickly and in plenty of time. The yanks really are gash as far in the maintenance requirements of ex military jets. Why so many crash or have incidents.

I fail to understand the “gash” idiom.
Having flown this side of the pond in all kinds of my personal, and other’s expensive multi/warbird hardware, I am impressed at the level of maintenance.

Bring It….

RickNRoll 13th Aug 2023 23:39


Originally Posted by GeeRam (Post 11484260)
Another angle in this Youtube clip.......its almost as if the donk had flamed out, it sounds in this clip if it's no more than idle perhaps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAEWIxlIOwM

Crew were lucky to get out looking at the KM-1 seat parameters and method of ejecting.
Could have been a terrible outcome on the ground, but seems luck intervened.

I don't think air shows should be relying on luck.

RAFEngO74to09 14th Aug 2023 00:24

https://assets3.cbsnewsstatic.com/hu...282c47f58b17f#

flopzone 14th Aug 2023 01:11

Bird strike, flameout, too low to recover, SOP eject.

Ignition Override 14th Aug 2023 04:47

A Fedex (MD-11 pilot) neighbor knows the owner of the "former" Mig-23.

Glad to see that the Mig was able to avoid a steeper bank before they bailed out. The pilot probably has an attorney keeping the FAA off of his back.

This video is from right next to a Canadian AFB (CFB), about 12 years ago.
----flopzone: this is partly for you, and you might have seen this successful Dual Bailout from CFB Cold Lake Canada ("12 years ago"), from an jet, with a Danish student in the front (red & white shoulder patch):
A different video might depict their slow flight (near Vmc?) and the quick roll into the failed or "stalled" engine.. Iirc, this accident was caused by either birds or an unrelated (not birds) compressor stall due to whatever factors.

Sidenote: please be aware that a pilot had a fatal accident at Cold Lake in an F-18 in 2016 or so-----


PPRuNeUser0211 14th Aug 2023 05:31


Originally Posted by Ignition Override (Post 11484378)
A Fedex (MD-11 pilot) neighbor knows the owner of the "former" Mig-23.

Glad to see that the Mig was able to avoid a steeper bank before they bailed out. The pilot probably has an attorney keeping the FAA off of his back.

flopzone: this is partly for you, and you might have seen this successful Dual Bailout from CFB Cold Lake Canada ("12 years ago"), from an F-18 with a Danish student in the front (red & white shoulder patch):
A different video might depict their slow flight (near Vmc?) and the quick roll into the failed or "stalled" engine.. Iirc, this accident was caused by either birds or an unrelated (not birds) compressor stall due to whatever factors.

Sidenote: please be aware that a pilot had a fatal accident at Cold Lake in an F-18 in 2016 or so-----

Brave Pilots Emerge after ejecting from fighter Jet 2.AVI - YouTube

That video isn't from an F-18. It's a Hawk crew (two QFIs) who jumped out after the engine threw a compressor blade at medium level and they were outside of glide range to a runway.

Aviation safety summary

India Four Two 14th Aug 2023 05:53

What surprises me is that there were two crew in an aircraft performing at an air display.

DogTailRed2 14th Aug 2023 06:59


Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard (Post 11484278)
Interesting that they didn’t roll wings level before ejecting - perhaps they couldn’t, for some reason?

I was at a talk regarding ejection from the early Starfighter. Procedure for ejecting was to roll inverted as the seat came out downwards. To quote the pilot giving the talk
"If I had enough control to roll inverted I didn't need to eject".

DogTailRed2 14th Aug 2023 07:03

I've seen several ejections from heavy cold war, high energy aircraft like Phantoms. They all seem to have one thing in common in that they appear to have zero control, appear to wallow before ejection.
Is this just the nature of the beast with these aircraft?


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