Originally Posted by Abbey Road
(Post 11485675)
It's an awful colour.
Is it called 'Baby-sh1t brown'? If not, it should be. |
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 11484286)
I guess it’s natural to want to save yourself, but it’s a big call to abandon your jet in a residential area.
|
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
(Post 11486061)
If you not in control of nthe plane, it’s going where physics takes it, not ejecting only adds you to the death toll. It’s not a decision, it’s a requirement to get out.
(Not my quote :p) Disclaimer: Yes, yes, yes….Of course there is more to it if you are on the receiving end. |
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
(Post 11486061)
If you not in control of nthe plane, it’s going where physics takes it, not ejecting only adds you to the death toll. It’s not a decision, it’s a requirement to get out.
|
Originally Posted by munnst
(Post 11485765)
why did texas raiders have a full crew then? If everyone who boards is crew whats the point?
|
Originally Posted by Stitchbitch
(Post 11486130)
From what was said at the time (iirc) they used to fly with 5 crew during busy shows, two pilots, a flight engineer and port/starboard look outs. BBMF usually operated the Lancaster with 4-5 aircrew. Two pilots, flight Eng, Nav and occasionally second Nav for state occasions.
|
Originally Posted by munnst
(Post 11486369)
BBMF are military and don't conform to same regs as civil although they may choose to do so. Firefly crash being a classic example being flown by RN.
What Firefly crash ? A few Seafire and Fury crashes. Can’t recall a firefly crash however ? |
Firefly WB271 crashed at Duxford in July 2003, both crew killed.
|
Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 11486111)
That "requirement" is only that of self-preservation. It's still a decision. Unlike most civil air accidents, you just have the option of making it. If you have that option, maybe you don't try so hard to mitigate what will happen next.
The military does have safe locations in those few cases where ejection is necessary as the plane cannot be safely landed—well away from populations. A OEI, no hydraulics situation was one of these cases in the A-10. Sure enough, in Desert Storm, a pilot tried it and was killed. Now, if you want to argue, the authority should not permit these ex-military jets to be operated, no argument from me. |
Originally Posted by treadigraph
(Post 11486419)
Firefly WB271 crashed at Duxford in July 2003, both crew killed.
I stand corrected. That was the Historic Flight I believe still under RN control. |
Originally Posted by treadigraph
(Post 11486419)
Firefly WB271 crashed at Duxford in July 2003, both crew killed.
It impacted about 200 yards away from where I was standing. |
Originally Posted by GeeRam
(Post 11486567)
Blimey, 20th anniversary just passed...:sad:
It impacted about 200 years away from where I was standing. Mog |
Originally Posted by Mogwi
(Post 11486571)
Blimey you must be even older than me! 🙂
Mog I must get my peepers retested......I might be able to see the keyboard better an what I'm typing......not even had a tot of rum yet this evening either :ugh: |
Some interesting pictures of the ejection. I guess those seats are hot. They appear to have set light to the cockpit!
|
Originally Posted by munnst
(Post 11486587)
Some interesting pictures of the ejection. I guess those seats are hot. They appear to have set light to the cockpit!
Mog |
Originally Posted by 421dog
(Post 11484289)
I fail to understand the “gash” idiom.
Having flown this side of the pond in all kinds of my personal, and other’s expensive multi/warbird hardware, I am impressed at the level of maintenance. Bring It…. |
KE,under UK regs,you can fly ex-mil jets without `live` seats,but have `live` canopy jettison capability and the original seat `chute`,so you don`t just `do away` with the whole system.Also the aircraft must be `straight -wing`,not `swept,and usually have a stall speed less than 100kts,or thereabouts...Legacy early jets such as the Meteor,Vampires/Venom,Magister,Galeb,L29,L39 ,T-33 `fit` that...Similar stall characteristics to some of the `heavy `piston fighters...
|
As someone who for a while flew ex military jets in the UK, initially with live seats and then without I was always disappointed by the attitude of the regulator.
They required seats with time expired cartridges to be deactivated. I always thought it would be a MUCH better option to pull the handle, and if the time expired cartridge failed to work you were then in the EXACT same position you would be in once the seat was deactivated! |
Originally Posted by ASRAAMTOO
(Post 11490725)
As someone who for a while flew ex military jets in the UK, initially with live seats and then without I was always disappointed by the attitude of the regulator.
They required seats with time expired cartridges to be deactivated. I always thought it would be a MUCH better option to pull the handle, and if the time expired cartridge failed to work you were then in the EXACT same position you would be in once the seat was deactivated! |
Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 11490729)
Rather a bizarre view, I think. Apart from which, I think (ex squippers can comment) that the longer the cartridge has passed its expiration date, the greater the risks it poses as the chemical composition changes. These risks can include, but are not limited to, uncommanded ejection!
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 16:46. |
Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.