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fdr 2nd May 2023 11:32

Russian TV showing the attack by Russia on Uman that killed 23, including 6 children, in a residential, civilian area is a crime, compounded by the Orwellian obscenity of purporting the same footage to the Russian zoids as an attack by Ukraine on a DPR city. Russia is a moral offal pit.

Lest we forget.

RIP children and families murdered by Russians.

Lonewolf_50 2nd May 2023 11:56

Interesting field report on how mud and water make German artillery pieces less effective ... high tech weapons come with some side effects

Germany has sent 14 Panzerhaubitze 2000 self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine, according to an inventory of its military support to Kyiv. These weapons contain electronics that are so vulnerable to dirt and moisture that soldiers have to wear slippers or booties when they enter the vehicles so they don't track in any mud, the New York Times reported on Monday.Each howitzer even comes with a vacuum cleaner, and the barrels sometimes have to be cleaned with a long brush. "The Panzer really loves cleanliness," an artillery commander named Mykola told the Times, referring to a nickname for the Panzerhaubitze. "If you fire off two full loads of ammunition, you need to spend a day servicing it."
Serhii, a lieutenant with the 43rd Separate Artillery Brigade, even decided to recall the howitzers from the field out of fear that should the machines come under Russian fire, mud will prevent them from escaping the bombardment, the Times reported. In Germany, these vehicles were kept in climate-controlled garages.

NutLoose 2nd May 2023 12:00

While advances in Bakhmut may seem good from the Russian point of view, territory wise they are losing areas back to Ukraine.


NutLoose 2nd May 2023 12:09

I hope they are all ok, I wouldn't fancy driving the car.



NutLoose 2nd May 2023 12:19

Run away.. Run away.. Run away....


NutLoose 2nd May 2023 12:23

;)


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meleagertoo 2nd May 2023 13:07

WARNING.
AVIATION CONTENT

It is being widely surmised that Ruzzia is running out of ground attack missiles and launching aircraft carrying only half their normal payload.
Why launch, say 8 aircraft all carrying 2 missiles instead of 4 each with a full load?
What's the thinking?

Wokkafans 2nd May 2023 13:18

@265 - the car footage is from 2022:


MPN11 2nd May 2023 13:22


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11428949)
WARNING.
AVIATION CONTENT

It is being widely surmised that Ruzzia is running out of ground attack missiles and launching aircraft carrying only half their normal payload.
Why launch, say 8 aircraft all carrying 2 missiles instead of 4 each with a full load?
What's the thinking?

Spread the risk from AD assets by presenting multiple targets, consuming more UKR missiles in the process? What do I know?

ACW342 2nd May 2023 14:02

Oops:Bad ADSB or something else. AVIATION CONTENT
 
Just watching Jake 11 on FR24 when I noticed DLH 648 enrolee Frankfurt - Almaty over Ukrainian airspace SW of Odesa. Wonder if they are there will they get out? I was under the impression ALL civ traffic kept well away.

A342

NutLoose 2nd May 2023 14:14


Originally Posted by Wokkafans (Post 11428955)
@265 - the car footage is from 2022:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyIQ...nnel=APArchive


Blimey that is a slow moving traffic jam then... ;)

Apologies

Imagegear 2nd May 2023 14:23


Originally Posted by ACW342 (Post 11428975)
Just watching Jake 11 on FR24 when I noticed DLH 648 enrolee Frankfurt - Almaty over Ukrainian airspace SW of Odesa. Wonder if they are there will they get out? I was under the impression ALL civ traffic kept well away.

A342

Did a disappearing act before heading south from the boundary and rejoining airways,
Might be a change of underwear followed by "no tea or biscuits" interview later. :eek:

IG

Beamr 2nd May 2023 14:36

Sweet. Money well spent.



NutLoose 2nd May 2023 15:56

Holy sh*t WTF hit that?


NutLoose 2nd May 2023 15:59

Germany setting up a facility to supply Gepard ammo to Ukraine from August



Corrected link

NutLoose 2nd May 2023 16:01

These are the dickheads the Ukrainians have to put up with.... hopefully he will be fertilising a field somewhere soon.


Corrected link

Wokkafans 2nd May 2023 16:22


NutLoose 2nd May 2023 16:22

BRB

In the meantime some aviation content..


ORAC 2nd May 2023 16:46

Putin better check his windows are nailed shut.

Letter from Colonel Viktor Imantovich Alksnis, retired RuAF officer and Duma member - reposted online by Girkin amongst others…


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Lonewolf_50 2nd May 2023 17:37

Aviation content: What about the SU-57?
Should not the stealth aircraft be a Russian force multiplier?
This article discusses a few of the issues involved.
Russia’s Su-57 Has a Dirty Little Secret (msn.com)
(Caveat: it's built, as far as I can tell, from Open Source material so there may be some assertions that, in the end, do not hold water)


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