Just two Hinds, unsupported. That seems frightfully brave.
Do we know how many the UAF started with and how they have left.

Slovakia as an ex-Warsaw pact member is sending S-300 and other stuff which would be outdated soon anyhow but for a moment it is important that Ukrainians can use this kit at this very moment. I think we should silently send Mig-29s too and apply the usual method of Russian "tactical truth" = deny it.

I think they started with 34 Hind-F models.
Huge balls on those two crews if it's proven to be a UAF raid and not some perverse Russian false flag attack.
Video here of them leaving the scene:

The cat is out of the bag! Lies have a habit of coming back to haunt you.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Belgorod&src=typed_query

So the war is now in Russia. The UAF sneaks in, hits the target and sneaks out without any resistance. The Russian audience is left wondering if a war has started and with whom and where the heck are their own forces.
Ukraine gets a great (propaganda) success on this; Russian fuel reserves blown up, Russian civilians start to feel the war, the Russian regrouping just had a set back and Putin's going mad.
Göring announced that he could be called Meyer if a single bomb is dropped in Germany, what should we call Putin now?

In a world of dreams and speculation one would hope the raid was coordinated by intelligence across the borders.

You come here and take down a legitimate military target to choke the ongoing invasion but avoid any collateral damage.

We let you do what needs to be done and help us create an excuse to pull our men and sons back.

Hoping for the survival instinct of the Russians to surface...

What is worse, getting shot at or having to kill your own half-bloodline for Kremlin madman's desire? Those guys are having a hefty dose of both.

Also another possibility



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I cannot be the only one wondering whether the attack being attributed to Ukraine in Belgorod, Russia isn’t a Russian false flag attack on itself as a pretext to launch another (possibly even nuclear) attack on Ukraine in the name of defending “Russian national security”.

Peskov now says "no comfortable conditions for continuing negotiations". Because of Belgorod. After 5 weeks of war, huge destructions and over 10K Ukrainians killed in their own country, Russia now says that their feelings were hurt by loosing a bit of fuel in #Belgorod? Really?

GOOD MORNING MOSCOW, Sucks to be RU. The heroes of Ukraine just made a major April Fool’s out of Vladimir Putin. He looks like the biggest fool in history right now. The sun is rising in Belgorod to this disaster for the Russian military.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....645bfa9e12.png

Except that the Ukrainians have already claimed this.

Looks to me that Ukraine is saying to Russia: "Okay, you've said you're pulling back but are still striking targets in rear areas. We're prepared to do likewise." No coincidence that Russia struck an oil terminal near Lviv a few days ago.

Another thought - given the withdrawal is intended to enable Russia to strengthen their push in the Donbas, perhaps the canny Ukrainians are playing double bluff i.e. making Russia think twice about diverting too much resource elsewhere?

Or we are struggling to stop you refuelling your vehicles and rearming them in the area as we are burning through anti tank weapons to kill them, so we have taken out your fuel and ammunition supplies at source thus in effect cutting them off temporarily. It also means Russia will have to beef up their defence along their border to prevent it happening again, thus taking out more manpower and resources they can't use elsewhere and possibly will have to move their supply efforts even further back from the border and hence the front line..

I am surprised with the withdrawls around Kyiv and the possibility of the movement of equipment back through Belarus and into Russia to aid the south that they haven't dropped the odd rail bridge in Russia along the Belarus border.

Has there been any comment from recognised Ukranian military sources ? If they don't comment, I would take that as confirmation but with a different tactical spin than if they did/do claim it. I suppose it becomes difficult for the Ukranians to judge whether it is better to continue to allow Russians to see Russia as the sole aggressor, or alternatively take some of the war to Russia so it has to generate some media notice and cause some of the population to ask "why this war " ?

EDIT: Just seen dead-pan's post

"Another thought - given the withdrawal is intended to enable Russia to strengthen their push in the Donbas, perhaps the canny Ukrainians are playing double bluff i.e. making Russia think twice about diverting too much resource elsewhere?"

Just too many possibilities to judge/juggle . It becomes a good guessing game for us, but we can't have any firm answers to the many questions/what if's ?

That’s one way of doing it :sad:

Do those numbers include the vehicles they used at Chernobyl? They will be heavily contaminated and unusable, unless the Russians deployed decontamination gear, which seems unlikely.


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Some of the muppets are reported as digging trenches to defend the area!

NutLoose: I read all your posts, and greatly appreciate your efforts. I was simply wondering whether the large number of contaminated vehicles can now be considered 'destroyed' because they're unusable. Surely even the Russians wouldn't simply ship out the soldiers suffering from radiation poisoning and tell their unsuspecting replacements to use the vehicles? Maybe they would.

Ahh I got you, I don't know, you would assume they are not that stupid not too decontaminate them, but then they were stupid enough to enter in the first place.

I believe that effective decontamination of machinery is virtually impossible, which is why there is a shed-load of stuff parked up at Chernobyl.

The Poles, Slovaks, Romanians, Hungarians and Moldovans must be champing at the bit to be allowed to join in and rid themselves of the Russian threat. That way Putin can be forced back to his own borders, freeing up the whole of Ukraine.

Simply doing nothing and watching people get bombed into nothingness just doesn't sit well - the European leaders need to grow a pair.

Are we going to run scared every time Russia mentions the N word or call their bluff?

Money rules the world and you can't spend it in a nuclear wasteland - Vlad maybe mad but I don't think he is that crazy - there are no winners in an all out nuke-fest.

Film released today of Russian armour attacked as they retreat, the last bit looks like the tank behind finishes off the one in front that has been hit by a missile from the side of the road he has just past!

And 7 Generals

:(

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota..._detailed_map/

I couldn't say what was happening- too confusing for a non-specialist. Why was the Russian flag in the centre if this was a Ukranian video ? There is obviously very heavy editing.


" the last bit looks like the tank behind finishes off the one in front that has been hit by a missile from the side of the road he has just past!"

What is the point of that ? It can't blast the tank off the road, and it has already been "destroyed" by the missile, so why ?

EDIT: O.K. See the tank hadn't burned, so the shot from the rear tank did make it "beyond repair "

It looked like his escape route was past it, possibly to cook off the remaining ammo and cut the risk of it detonating as he drives past taking himself out as well?

It's probably just in case there were any Ukrainian farmers nearby

Russian troops withdrawing en mass from the Kyiv areas, Russia asserting that two Ukrainian helos attacked a fuel facility 40Km inside their border.

Something does not smell right here, and I have a very bad feeling over what may come next.

Someone else agrees

Video game not real!!!!

Thanks took it down, hence the question mark as I doubted it.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7688d477ef.jpg
IF not a false flag,
Slava ukraine

Indeed. And very damning on Russian air defence capabilities. Going forward, it may well give rise to itchy trigger fingers in Russia shooting down some of their own returning aircraft.

One could hope, they have already managed it in Country.

Ukrainian defence officials have been 'neither confirming or denying' responsibility for the Belgorod attack due to lack of information, and the latest from AP is that the secretary of the Ukrainian security council has now said "For some reason [the Russians] say that we did it, but according to our information this does not correspond to reality" on national television.

Those capabilities are in the same level as everything else appears to be with the Russian military, the soviet era level. Mathias Rust verifies.

So as mentioned before “attacks on Russia” were a premise to use nuclear weapons etc and is the pull back from Kyiv related to the threat, though even Putin couldn’t be that stupid, however if his health is suspect…

In keeping with the “rumor” nature of this forum, I suppose it’s ok to speculate - does the Russian military lack capability, decent equipment, leadership or fighting character?

Ukraine has demonstrated all four, so let’s keep them equipped with materiel! They, too, must have suffered losses.

I like your approach, so to speculate a bit for fun,
- they tried to enter the battlefield on a 60km long column and got stuck there for more than a week
- their equipment is in some cases from the 19th century and even the newer equipment keeps breaking up due to lack of maintenance
- 7 generals have died, two discharged and at least in one case a colonel was run over with a tank by his own troops due to lack of leadership
- seriously classified equipment is abandoned unharmed to the battlefield meaning that the US gets the latest russian EW kit for studies.

I'd speculate that its 4/4 result :E

Perfectly safe.

As far from my area of expertise as you could get, but the nonchalant way they are being moved by operators with hands in pockets tells me you are correct.

You still would not catch me trying it though 🤪

Jesus, everyone should watch this… there is no words that even come close.

The best of both worlds - you get to make the hit but then put the blame on the Russians:ok: