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Brewster Buffalo 28th Feb 2022 09:45


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11192069)
On the topic of propaganda, I know there's been a lot of talk of booting RT of air but it does provide a useful window into the minds of the regime and their supporters...

I've watched a little of RT and was surprised to see them cover the protest marches in Russia against this war.

dead_pan 28th Feb 2022 09:47


Originally Posted by Brewster Buffalo (Post 11192075)
I've watched a little of RT and was surprised to see them cover the protest marches in Russia against this war.

Do RT broadcast in Russia? Semi-serious question...

NutLoose 28th Feb 2022 09:57

Not the brightest Russians in the military.


Two railwaymen seized a #Russian armored personnel carrier. One of the Russian invaders got out of the cab and asked for directions. The railwaymen pointed the way to a dead end. Once trapped, two of the occupants were detained. Two others managed to escape.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e6364121e.jpeg

Brewster Buffalo 28th Feb 2022 10:19


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11192078)
Do RT broadcast in Russia? Semi-serious question...

Their documentary channel, which consists of RT-produced documentaries related to Russia, is the only channel broadcast in the Russian Language but they do have an internet presence.
As the channel is aimed at the World rather than Russia I so suspect that it isn't broadcast within Russia.

jolihokistix 28th Feb 2022 10:27

Re Putin’s 5,000 word treatise on the origins of Russia and Ukraine last July.

In retrospect, perhaps it should have been titled “Mein Camp”.

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

NutLoose 28th Feb 2022 10:45

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....becdc19a1.jpeg
It's starting to bite alright

NutLoose 28th Feb 2022 10:50

This farmers collecting Tussian vehicles appears to be catching LOL... WTF will he do with that?


Beamr 28th Feb 2022 10:51


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11192106)

whole different question is whether it was 'suicide by jumping through closed window".
However I want to emphasize I am sorry for him and condolences to his family. Another victim of Putins regime.

NutLoose 28th Feb 2022 10:57

HAHAHAHHAHHHHAAAAAAA, if it wasn't so serious, it would be funny....

A Russian that was marking Ukrainian buildings targeted for bombing was caught by Ukraine citizens. His pants were removed and he was wrapped around a pole.



https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0d92b895a9.png


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3d6f1c1b0.jpeg

henra 28th Feb 2022 11:06


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11192111)
whole different question is whether it was 'suicide by jumping through closed window".
However I want to emphasize I am sorry for him and condolences to his family. Another victim of Putins regime.

I consider this probable assassination of a high profile person as another sign of high nervousness in the top echelons in Russia. Won't be the last I guess.

NutLoose 28th Feb 2022 11:18

WOW..... Unreal


Tartiflette Fan 28th Feb 2022 11:56


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 11191834)
Would be big, several hundred kilos of highly volatile hydrocarbons with a slightly delayed fuse to allow for air mixing.
Much larger volume pressure wave, albeit not as intense as being close to a high explosive burst, but lethal for people and normal structures..

Is "thermobaric " the same as FAE ?

Tartiflette Fan 28th Feb 2022 12:04


Originally Posted by chopper2004 (Post 11191898)
So according to the Daily Fail, his generals are stunned with the order to ramp up their SSR forces to their equivalent of DEFCON 2?
cheers

According to this ex-NATO German general, Putin's enhanced status is only level 2 on a scale rising to 4 .

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland..._60595236.html

He also says that the Russian system for launching nukes requires the "presence" of two of three "suitcases " held by Putin, the Defence Minister and the Chief of the General Staff.

Fonsini 28th Feb 2022 12:13

They fired an MLRS into the middle of Kharkiv, pictures of Ukrainian women with their legs blown off (not in this link) and corpses scattered everywhere. I’m not certain where the line is for a war crime, but I am certain that Putin has crossed it.

https://twitter.com/olliecarroll

Beamr 28th Feb 2022 12:21

In the news, Russia using rockets against civilians

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2024871.html

Herod 28th Feb 2022 12:23

Is "thermobaric " the same as FAE ? Yes, as I understand it. Nasty stuff, and diabolical to use it in a residential area.

Beamr 28th Feb 2022 12:25

Bejesus, I am not going to forward the material from Kharkiv, the title says it all
"family was killed and burned alive in a vehicle attacked by a hail of shelling by Russian forces in Kharkiv."

etudiant 28th Feb 2022 12:34


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11192160)
According to this ex-NATO German general, Putin's enhanced status is only level 2 on a scale rising to 4 .

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland..._60595236.html

He also says that the Russian system for launching nukes requires the "presence" of two of three "suitcases " held by Putin, the Defence Minister and the Chief of the General Staff.

Valery Gerasimov, the Chief of the General Staff, was just replaced by Putin, wonder why....

Fonsini 28th Feb 2022 12:53

Belarus poised to invade Ukraine in support of Russia:

https://us.yahoo.com/news/u-official...035341516.html

dead_pan 28th Feb 2022 12:58


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11192117)
HAHAHAHHAHHHHAAAAAAA, if it wasn't so serious, it would be funny....



A Russian that was marking Ukrainian buildings targeted for bombing was caught by Ukraine citizens. His pants were removed and he was wrapped around a pole.



https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0d92b895a9.png


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3d6f1c1b0.jpeg

He was a looter in the original Tweet.

Same thing happened to my mate on his stag night.

dead_pan 28th Feb 2022 13:01

So, according to Vlad's spokesmen, Russia's move to Defcon 2 was in response to comments made by Liz Truss during her interview on Sky yesterday. I kid you not. The Sky correspondent in Moscow did well to hide his smile when he relayed this information.

Ewan Whosearmy 28th Feb 2022 13:12


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11192195)
So, according to Vlad's spokesmen, Russia's move to Defcon 2 was in response to comments made by Liz Truss during her interview on Sky yesterday. I kid you not. The Sky correspondent in Moscow did well to hide his smile when he relayed this information.

His actions are always "in response" to something - this whole thing is happening because of the actions of others. Blaming Truss is therefore classic Putin playbook.

Less Hair 28th Feb 2022 13:14

And he seems to always escalate threats several steps at a time to make it harder for opponents to react.

dead_pan 28th Feb 2022 13:28


Originally Posted by Less Hair (Post 11192199)
And he seems to always escalate threats several steps at a time to make it harder for opponents to react.

Not so sure. The Americans to their credit just ignored this: "Meh, whatever. We think you're bluffing".

Less Hair 28th Feb 2022 13:34

No they didn't.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...er-2022-02-27/

henra 28th Feb 2022 13:41


Originally Posted by Fonsini (Post 11192167)
They fired an MLRS into the middle of Kharkiv, pictures of Ukrainian women with their legs blown off (not in this link) and corpses scattered everywhere. I’m not certain where the line is for a war crime, but I am certain that Putin has crossed it.
https://twitter.com/olliecarroll

If that was on purpose it would be surely something which would have to be checked if it falls officially under war crime.
It is in so far remarkable that so far in this war the general population hasn't been directly attacked on a wider basis. It is even more remarkable that the first really massive publicly visible such case happens in Kharkiv which is part of that part of Ukraine with a Russian speaking majority.
As bad an as cruel as it looks I'm not yet quite sure it was really on purpose.

dead_pan 28th Feb 2022 13:46


Originally Posted by Less Hair (Post 11192212)

My point was they didn't change their stance.

GeeRam 28th Feb 2022 14:00


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 11192182)
Valery Gerasimov, the Chief of the General Staff, was just replaced by Putin, wonder why....

I thought this has been debunked as not being true?

GeeRam 28th Feb 2022 14:02

Bloody hell....... :sad:


:mad:

langleybaston 28th Feb 2022 14:05


Originally Posted by admikar (Post 11192068)
also agree with you re. Russian actions. But you should also (you as in general, not you as a person) should accept that West did quite some damage to Serbia with Kosovo and others(btw, I am not Serbian, but I am connected to it) not so long ago, using that same toolkit you mention and not just brush it aside as trolling.
General opinion here is when West does it it's not a big deal, when Russians/Chinese/Iran does that same whole world shuld jump on their throats.
As much as you would like to believe so, there is not that much difference between two sides.

MORAL HIGH GROUND MATTERS.

MPN11 28th Feb 2022 14:13


Originally Posted by GeeRam (Post 11192223)
I thought this has been debunked as not being true?

Only noticed it mentioned here, no external links to a credible source.

However, if the RU Nuclear Football requires a 2-1 majority vote, removing someone with free will leaves … Vlad and his compliant mate. So a change of Gerasimov as CDS might facilitate stupidity on Vlad’s part.

Flyhighfirst 28th Feb 2022 14:22


Originally Posted by NAROBS (Post 11192230)
Using cluster bombs on a residential area in maripol.

They need air support, get weaving !

That was not a cluster bomb. Looks more like a rocket than a missile as well.

Just reread. I’m assuming you are referring to the above post with the aircraft and house? If you were speaking of something else then I apologise for misconstruing your post.

Beamr 28th Feb 2022 14:23

Here's what the Kremlin official media RG is telling to the Dimitris and Tatjanas. Basically "He started it!"

28.02.2022 15:57
Category: Power
Ministry of Defense: Only officers and contract servicemen participate in the special operation

Only officers and contract servicemen take part in a special military operation of the Russian Armed Forces. This was stated by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Major General Igor Konashenkov.

"Russia did not start hostilities. Russia is completing them," the general said.

According to him, the hostilities of the Kiev regime, as well as the systematic destruction of the inhabitants of Donbass, went on for eight years, more than 14 thousand people died during this war, including hundreds of children.

Konashenkov stressed that it is necessary to put an end to the endless threats from the Kiev regime against Russia. And Russia will do it.

https://rg.ru/2022/02/28/minoborony-...traktniki.html

TUPE 28th Feb 2022 14:32


Originally Posted by NAROBS (Post 11192237)
Do me a favour, multiple near simultaneous detonations, geospaced at regular short intervals in a confined area, . . Its either MLRS or cluster . .or an exceptionally accurate mortar barrage - similar to naval hedgehog or lightweight neubelwerfer (Ha !). These explosions weren't big enough to be MLRS, QED cluster munition.

So, Russians are using a banned weapon.


Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst (Post 11192233)
That was not a cluster bomb. Looks more like a rocket than a missile as well.

Just reread. I’m assuming you are referring to the above post with the aircraft and house? If you were speaking of something else then I apologise for misconstruing your post.

​​​​​​​
You are both talking about different posts/videos.

Mogwi 28th Feb 2022 14:38

Unfortunately the Russians did not sign up to the ban on custard bombs.

Chesty Morgan 28th Feb 2022 14:44

The video with the Mig 29 rocket attack filmed from an apartment was from a few years ago.


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