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NutLoose 9th Jun 2022 10:04

Most light aircraft of foreign build are Metric, but the Lycomings and Continentals are all A/F and indeed use Whitworh as well on cylinder hold down studs etc where the sizes in the manual refer to the diameter of the stud / bolt and not the nut..

On the OCU we had Wessex and Puma, one metric and one A/F

The M1777 was not designed by BAe, it was a Vickers design that was developed on when BAe took over Vickers, whether they then swopped out the bolting system is the question, but as the USA was an Imperial user probably not.

NutLoose 9th Jun 2022 10:22

Ukraine verses Russian claims of destroyed equipment levels, against verified figures.



NutLoose 9th Jun 2022 10:39


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11241636)
Have to say from the reports I have seen morale is pretty rock-bottom on both sides in the Severodonetsk pocket, which may explain why Zelensky made a visit there. It seems both sides have set the city as a defining objective. From my armchair I reckon Ukraine may be better served by letting the Russians claim it and hammering them from the heights of Lysychansk.

The answer to your view and the reason why not.


Ukrainian forces fighting for control of the twin eastern Ukrainian cites of Severodonetsk and Lysychansk are “catastrophically” short of artillery pieces, a commander in the national guard fighting in that region said on national television.
“There is no problem here that we have bad positions or we maneuver badly or choose a good position,” Petro Kuzyk, commander of the Svoboda battalion, said. “The problem is that we are catastrophically short of artillery barrels.”

Tactical retreat: The head of the Luhansk regional military administration, Serhiy Hayday, suggested on Wednesday that Ukrainian forces might stage a tactical retreat in Severodonetsk. Its sister city, Lysychansk, lies on strategic high ground across the Siverskyi Donets River. Later on Wednesday, Hayday said Russia now controls most of Severodonetsk.

“With all due respect to Serhiy Hayday, this is a political opinion,” Kuzyk said. “There is a certain strategy in maneuvering: Lysychansk is on the bank above. But this is completely absurd if the crucial key issue is not resolved, and it is that the occupier has an advantage in artillery.

“If, for example, there is an order to leave Severodonetsk and keep Lysychansk, then the artillery that is currently concentrated on the part of Severodonetsk that we are holding will join the part that fires on Lysychansk, and the concentration of artillery at the positions will double. And in fact such an advantage in height will be offset by a greater concentration of artillery.”
https://edition.cnn.com/webview/euro...-22/index.html

Geriaviator 9th Jun 2022 10:46

Looking at the shameful posturing by Germany and its chums I'm beginning to think quitting Europe wasn't such a bad thing. Perhaps they should be shown the picture of the downed Russian helicopter in Ukraine with the words NACH BERLIN painted on the boom. Poland etc could be mopped up on the way ...

NutLoose 9th Jun 2022 10:57


Originally Posted by Geriaviator (Post 11243290)
Looking at the shameful posturing by Germany and its chums I'm beginning to think quitting Europe wasn't such a bad thing. Perhaps they should be shown the picture of the downed Russian helicopter in Ukraine with the words NACH BERLIN painted on the boom. Poland etc could be mopped up on the way ...

May the Farce be with you... Germany and its promises.

https://www-businessinsider-de.trans..._x_tr_pto=wapp


Iris-T air defense system: After weeks of pressure, Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) announced in the Bundestag last week that Ukraine should get the Iris-T air defense system. He did not give details. According to information from Business Insider, the news apparently came as a surprise not only to the Ministry of Defense, but also to Egypt. Because the Egyptian government had ordered several systems in Germany, one of which it is now supposed to do without in favor of Ukraine. But government circles say that the Iris-T system for Ukraine should not be ready for use until November or even December.

Marder infantry fighting vehicle: A week ago, Scholz also announced a so-called ring exchange with Greece: In return for Soviet BPM-type tanks that Athens is to send to Ukraine, Greece will receive Marder infantry fighting vehicles from Germany. The deal mentions almost 50 tanks.

But the Greeks are said to have been surprised by the Chancellor's announcement, so there is a lot of trouble behind the scenes. Because the BPM tanks are mainly stationed on the Greek islands. The government in Athens fears that Turkey could see an exchange with modern Marder vehicles as an affront in foreign policy - and that the next military conflict in Europe would arise.

From German government circles it is said that the Greeks therefore only want to give up their Soviet tanks when all 50 German Marders have been delivered ready for use. But that should last until autumn or winter. In addition, the manufacturer Rheinmetall itself was surprised by the ring exchange, which actually wanted to sell the Marder directly to the Ukraine. So whether the group will go along with it at all is an open question. Rheinmetall does not respond to inquiries from us.

Multiple rocket launcher Mars II: Scholz had also announced multiple rocket launchers in his Bundestag speech. They can hit targets 40 kilometers away.

It was later said that the Bundeswehr would be giving up four Mars II systems – if possible by the end of June. But that was not confirmed. The problem: According to information from Business Insider, less than half of the almost 40 German vehicles are currently operational at all. Even giving up four is said to have caused the German military to shake their heads behind the scenes. In addition, the software of the rocket launchers must first be reprogrammed because the German vehicles have not yet been able to fire ammunition from the USA or Great Britain. But precisely these types of ammunition are available in large numbers in Ukraine. In the worst case, solving the software problems should take months, it is said, since it is significantly more complicated than with the tank howitzer.

The bottom line is that insiders within the federal government do not expect concrete deliveries of Iris-T, Mars II or Marders before September or October. Only the delivery of 15 Gepard anti-aircraft tanks in mid-July and 15 more by the end of August seems to be on schedule so far. However, there are no more than 59,000 rounds of ammunition. As of now, the promised seven German tank howitzers should also be ready for delivery at the end of June. Before that, they had to be laboriously reprogrammed to meet the needs of Ukraine. In addition, the five Dutch howitzers still had to be repaired.

But it is precisely Iris-T and Mars II that are considered systems that would bring a real advantage to Ukraine. The fact that these can apparently only be delivered so late in autumn or winter is particularly problematic because many experts now see August as the decisive month in the Ukraine war. Then at the latest it could be decided whether Russia's offensive, especially in eastern Ukraine, will be successful. Then the modern weapons announced by Scholz would simply come too late.

ORAC 9th Jun 2022 11:06

The old saying has always been the purpose of NATO was to keep the Americans in, the Russians out and the Germans down.

Expecting fulsome support from Germany was always a stretch - but at least they’ve been kept from wholeheartedly supporting Putin….

Less Hair 9th Jun 2022 11:13

Russia will love those anti german sentiments. Germany ended up exactly like this because the four powers made it's military exactly what it is today. Nothing of strategic relevance and not even the conventional strength of those cold war days. No surpise they cannot deliver much on short notice. Just look at their tank numbers left. However they gave quite a bit of used kit to NATO countries closer to Russia in the past.

B Fraser 9th Jun 2022 11:38


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11243306)
Expecting fulsome support from Germany was always a stretch - but at least they’ve been kept from wholeheartedly supporting Putin….

A bit of old news but they seem to have taken steps not to offend him. I fear their primary interest is sucking on Putin's pipe.

'Deeply wrong': Kyiv slams Berlin police over Ukraine flag ban | Euronews

NutLoose 9th Jun 2022 15:00

WTF??? Bloody title is wrong too....It sounds like they have been got at, admit it or die type scenario, though asking if he would plead guilty to "AN" offence is different to "To" the offence, which maybe just poor reporting?
Title

British soldiers captured in Russia 'plead guilty to terrorism activities'



Two British soldiers captured by Russian forces have reportedly pleaded guilty to carrying out ‘terrorist activities’.Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner could face up to 20 years behind bars.

The men were detained in April while fighting in Ukraine, and have now appeared in court in the separatist Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) region.

Mr Aslin and Mr Pinner have admitted to ‘training in order to carry out terrorist activities’.

In footage shared by the Russian news outlet Ria Novosti on Wednesday, a translator asks Mr Aslin if he would ‘plead guilty’ to an offence, to which he replies: ‘Yes.’


The video then appears to show the two Brits in the dock alongside a third man, believed to be Moroccan national Saaudun Brahim.

The charge Mr Aslin faces carries a term of 15 to 20 years’ imprisonment, according to Ria Novosti.

Mr Pinner is also said to face a longer term and even the death penalty after allegedly admitting to ‘seizing power by force’.

Mr Jenrick told BBC Radio 4’s World At One programme: ‘This is a British citizen, but who also holds Ukrainian nationality, is married to a Ukrainian, joined the Ukrainian armed forces in the normal way prior to Putin’s illegal invasion, and has been serving in the armed forces.

‘He was taken prisoner by Russian forces and in accordance with international law and the Geneva Convention, he should be being held appropriately and returned to Ukraine at the earliest possible opportunity, possibly through a prisoner exchange.

‘Instead of that Putin’s regime have chosen to put him and another British national, Shaun Pinner, on trial on trumped up charges, no evidence whatsoever.

‘This is, I’m afraid, a completely outrageous breach of international law and it should be condemned.’
British soldiers captured in Russia 'plead guilty to terrorism activities' (msn.com)

Recc 9th Jun 2022 15:23


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11243435)
WTF??? Bloody title is wrong too....It sounds like they have been got at, admit it or die type scenario, though asking if he would plead guilty to "AN" offence is different to "To" the offence, which maybe just poor reporting?

Sadly out of date. All three of them (serving members of the Ukranian armed forces) have just been sentenced to death.

jolihokistix 9th Jun 2022 15:29

Quote: Mr Pinner is also said to face a longer term and even the death penalty after allegedly admitting to ‘seizing power by force’.

This is precisely what Russia has been doing for over three months.

NutLoose 9th Jun 2022 15:32


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11243453)
Quote: Mr Pinner is also said to face a longer term and even the death penalty after allegedly admitting to ‘seizing power by force’.

This is precisely what Russia has been doing for over three months.

That is counter productive, who in the future is ever going to surrender if they know they will be executed, they will instead fight to the end.

Death sentence news

UK "deeply concerned" by sentencing of Brits by Russia-backed court, PM's spokesman (msn.com)

GlobalNav 9th Jun 2022 16:01

Of course the ones who should be brought up on capital charges are Putin and his minions.

Lonewolf_50 9th Jun 2022 16:03


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11243453)
Quote: Mr Pinner is also said to face a longer term and even the death penalty after allegedly admitting to ‘seizing power by force’.

This is precisely what Russia has been doing for over three months.

This appears to be a cynical application of "victor's justice" by the Russians.
If anybody knows (as I have not followed this story in detail):
Are/were these three men PoW's, or, were they captured as 'other than regular forces' and charged under the 'spy' category?
(And now I have to find out if the Conventions made a change since I last looked at them a couple of decades ago ... off I go).
EDIT: OK, here's what I was looking for.

Originally Posted by Convention 4
Where in occupied territory an individual protected person is detained as a spy or saboteur, or as a person under definite suspicion of activity hostile to the security of the Occupying Power, such person shall, in those cases where absolute military security so requires, be regarded as having forfeited rights of communication under the present Convention.
In each case, such persons shall nevertheless be treated with humanity and, in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed by the present Convention. They shall also be granted the full rights and privileges of a protected person under the present Convention at the earliest date consistent with the security of the State or Occupying Power, as the case may be.


Of course the ones who should be brought up on capital charges are Putin and his minions.
You must first capture him/them ... or otherwise have them in your custody. ;)

Recc 9th Jun 2022 16:17


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11243470)
Are/were these three men PoW's, or, were they captured as 'other than regular forces' and charged under the 'spy' category? (And now I have to find out if the Conventions made a change since I last looked at them a couple of decades ago ... off I go.

No, they surrendered in uniform. The DPR contention was that they were mercenaries and thus not protected. The Russian state propaganda announcement of this fact literally used a photograph of Aiden Aslin at his passing-out parade from the Ukranian marines. It was quickly deleted...

Lonewolf_50 9th Jun 2022 16:42


Originally Posted by Recc (Post 11243479)
No, they surrendered in uniform. The DPR contention was that they were mercenaries and thus not protected. The Russian state propaganda announcement of this fact literally used a photograph of Aiden Aslin at his passing-out parade from the Ukrainian marines. It was quickly deleted...

Bit of an own goal, that one. I wonder if the Morrocan national - Saaudun Brahim - has dual citizenship as well.
On further review, I appear to have made a category error. They were captured by DPR (the recent start up whom the Russians formally recognized shortly before the invasion?) not the Russians per se, right?

skua 9th Jun 2022 17:09

The sadly predictable response of the Russians to their 2 Anglo/Ukrainian PoWs does give Ukr room to execute captured Wagner thugs, since they most definitely are mercenaries. But one would hope Ukr are above such behaviour, and will retain the moral high ground.

Geriaviator 9th Jun 2022 17:13

I recall the heroes of the steelworks said they would fight to the death as Russia would torture and kill them all anyway.

WB627 9th Jun 2022 17:21


Originally Posted by skua (Post 11243502)
The sadly predictable response of the Russians to their 2 Anglo/Ukrainian PoWs does give Ukr room to execute captured Wagner thugs, since they most definitely are mercenaries. But one would hope Ukr are above such behaviour, and will retain the moral high ground.

Unfortunately that will not work, as Putin does not give a flying fc**k what happens to ANYONE fighting for him. They are totally expendable.



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