Originally Posted by flash8
(Post 11301652)
I can only speak of the experience of my friends and former colleagues. If they had any choice it would be to revert to before the war. Not one has been gung-ho, like others in similar situations they have been beaten down into subdued submission. That submission is now turning into mild fear coupled with a growing resentment towards the West in some. Russia will never go back to the old days. That is for sure. It has turned a corner into unknown territory - even if the war ended tomorrow - ramifications will last decades for the country (and the world). I guess this may well be the major event of our lives.
Thanks, all OK (as well as can be in our circumstances). |
Originally Posted by Pali
(Post 11301607)
Aviation content, A321 cockpit with "INOP" stickers...
Not sure if this is the correct thread but this is what war brought to Russia. https://twitter.com/relaxinallcool/s...40197269688321 but at least they have an apparent plentiful supply of INOP stickers. Don't need crew if they do much more breakages. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11301537)
TB28B
The Russians made it clear they were talking about using them on the west and BPF put it better, and even if they used it in Ukraine it would effect the west and I believe trigger article 5. The only way you will ever prevent WW3 is to let the other side know that if they ever use a nuclear weapon we will respond in kind, it is that principal that has kept the Genie in the bottle all these years, without that assumed mutual destruction preventing the other side using nuclear weapons you are inviting Armageddon. Having been on QRA with live weapons, as other on here no doubt have, the thought of ever launching them was frightening, but it was reassuring to know that we never would do that unless the other side did first, and one assumes that they viewed it the same way. That and that alone is the only thing keeping the lid on them and long may it remain, no one wins. Hence I stand by what I said, the only response is an equal response… saying we would launch a full blown conventional attack on Russia and all its bases WOULD bring on WW3 regardless. … And thankful yet jarring knowing a few have given up on there programs/weapons. Brazil,South africa etc. The fact the uk,usa promised ukraine its protection in renouncing its thousands of nukes and trained forces is a big deal here. Budapest Memorandum. By all accounts we have them let them down, faced by that promise. you cant go by half measures forever, "give an inch", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areas_annexed_by_Germany. we've been lucky in the last generations since then. sacrifices have been made, how many pilots do you all know who have died, training, keeping the peace. I do fear that we clearly have became to cushy in Europe, our governments have cut away again and again gambling on alliances, Nato, and trident. Our grandfathers & fathers are watching, history is watching, and its no time to appease anymore. Theres some civilizations you cant help, unsolvable. alien. Afgan, china, but the Ukrainians have shown they as we thought willing to take unspeakable pain, take bloody nose. For freedom, to better there society. to be our mates. and you gota put yourself out there for your mates. they've been holding the line. yes they have corruption, but a big deal of this is they want to escape that. and you gona stand by while putin rapes and nukes there country, sending animals of men, the worst of the worst to do his bidding. we've staved off ukraines total collapse this far, (Bucha) how many did we help stop, those javalins and Nlaws, kept them in the fight, to be cowed now. |
Originally Posted by Chugalug2
(Post 11301664)
T28B :-
Perhaps one could say just the same about you and your way of thinking. Putin is a chancer, just as Adolf was. He thought that the West would stand back and simply buy his gas while he busied himself with invading and ravaging the Ukraine. Turns out he was wrong. He now needs to know (or strongly suspect) that if he resorts to using a nuclear weapon of any description anywhere, then Russia will suffer the same. If he suspects that won't happen, then he may just take that chance to dig himself out of the deep hole he has dug himself into. Hitler was ready to recall his troops if any attempt was made to repel them in 1936 when he invaded the Rhineland in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. Nothing happened, nor in Austria, and Czechoslovakia was handed to him on a plate. The rest as they say is history. It was branded appeasement and those who supported it could be said to have started WWII (in Europe anyway) rather than those like Churchill who urged early action. A plot to overthrow Hitler was stillborn thanks to that defeatist stance. Bullies have to be stood up to, in the playground and in the real world. To not do so simply means things get worse, much worse, and very quickly. https://giphy.com/explore/fast-show-nice |
Originally Posted by Chugalug2
(Post 11301664)
Hitler was ready to recall his troops if any attempt was made to repel them in 1936 when he invaded the Rhineland in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. Nothing happened, nor in Austria, and Czechoslovakia was handed to him on a plate. The rest as they say is history. It was branded appeasement and those who supported it could be said to have started WWII (in Europe anyway) rather than those like Churchill who urged early action.
I think that Chamberlain knew exactly what he was doing when he held up the "piece of paper" - he knew we weren't ready and was prepared to sacrifice his reputation in an attempt to buy us enough time to make ourselves ready. And fortunately it worked ... just |
Back in military topic, we"ve learned now what the partial mobilization really means:
mobilizing partially capable, giving them partial training, equipping them with part of the kit, giving them part of the ammo and making then partially combat ready. Eventually only part of them make it to the front, being then parted by Urainian army. |
based on this video the mobilized troops will have a training of two weeks prior to sending to units (which most probably means the front). Also, they are told that they won't be coming home until the Special Military Cockup is over.
They don't seem very enthusiastic about it either. |
Well the mobilization adds a new equation to the things, best case scenario for the Russians, they can take back the tactical advantage.
However it will just be a grind. we are going on the partial mobilization Russian news as face value. and there already hiding in plain sight with that redacted paragraph. covert mobilizations been going on for a while now, now its partial,public, is it really just 200000-300000 being drafted this week, its a big country. Its a wait and see moment, the lead time on arming them up i see is a topic. Have they been bluffing with keeping tanks & equipment back. will the 2nd wave troops be backed up with new stuff? Fact they started sending T-62s at one point was crazy, equivalent of centurions. Are they truly scraping the barrel, or just scraping the barrel of the first line/wave troops. It seems like they have learnt one thing with the drones now from Iran, that part of warfare's changed. who knows what chess pieces we haven't scene. The phrase pawn sacrifice come to mind. There has to be some elite troops they have been holding back, and can still be used, the withdrawal of units around and amongst the western military districts has been noted. Can the bayraktars,Himars, newly acquired t-90(russia), t-80s, Hinds & fresh western trained Ukrainian troops now entering the mix, handle whats to come. |
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https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...kraine-regions
"We will work with our allies and partners to impose additional swift and severe economic costs on Russia." Swift.. Fruition's of the recent summit |
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Imagine being handed one of these and told to go to the front line.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1573591907447574530 https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1573591907447574530 https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1573582019979841536 |
Sometimes it feels like sabotage from the inside.
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This is a Rumour Network so I will post this here. No idea how true it may be or what effect it may have on Chinese influence with Russia over Ukraine but President Xi is rumoured to have been placed under house arrest in China.
Chinese President XI Jinping Under House Arrest? Sensation By Subramanian Swamy's Tweet (spotnews18.com) |
Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11301831)
Imagine being handed one of these and told to go to the front line.
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We had .303 rifles modified to look like SLR’s for drill practice.
Aviation Content: KA-52 shoot down. |
Originally Posted by BANANASBANANAS
(Post 11301864)
This is a Rumour Network so I will post this here. No idea how true it may be or what effect it may have on Chinese influence with Russia over Ukraine but President Xi is rumoured to have been placed under house arrest in China.
Chinese President XI Jinping Under House Arrest? Sensation By Subramanian Swamy's Tweet (spotnews18.com) |
Declaring mobilization was a risky gamble that may lead to Putin’s demise. But not because it is unpopular with the public.….
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...716069377.html |
First timer in Ukraine.
Ukrainian forces in the South shot downed an Iranian Mohajer-6 UAV. |
Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11301831)
Imagine being handed one of these and told to go to the front line.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...91907447574530 https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1573582019979841536 https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2f45375afb.jpg |
Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11301869)
If its a rifle for training, I have used rubber rifles, hi viz yellow and red, with the same weight and a dynamics for training rather than a working rifle. But if thats what he taking to front he sorta screwed, probably be able to yoink a better one off a body in no time
they've obviously opened the cold war era wartime stocks for this. Meaning old and obsolete everything that no one has taken care of, including the doctrine. |
Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11301909)
Where I am I was trained with the real ones, signed one upon arrival to the forces
Dummy training rifles were issued upon request for additional volunteer PT training, you could keep them in barracks unlike real firearms. They were generically called blue guns even tho there was red options. There was steyr AUG, EF-88 and M4 commando |
Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11301919)
Dummy training rifles were issued upon request for additional volunteer PT training, you could keep them in barracks unlike real firearms. They were generically called blue guns even tho there was red options. There was steyr AUG, EF-88 and M4 commando
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Putin is now in full downfall mode: the New York Times reports that the Russian dictator is directing military operations personally and has rejected repeated requests from commanders to save Russian lives by withdrawing from Kherson to the left bank of the Dnipro River
I'd hate to be a Russian mobilized troop. Not many of them will return home alive. |
Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11301877)
Its coming from indian sources, which to me is only just higher than russian sources
There's stories of 6000 flights being suddenly cancelled in China too, plus rail journey suspensions. |
The videos and tweets of the Russian Police and the Enlistment Commissars forcing men into trucks and buses is reminiscent of the rounding up of undesirables in the late 30s and early 40s around Europe.
History will judge these weak willed individuals as co-conspirators in the deaths of tens of thousands of their countrymen, there will be no defence of "I was just following orders," as the guards used at Belsen, Auschwitz and Treblinka. Many of these men will be massacred before they get anywhere near the front line. While I do not feel remorse for them, I feel like I am watching a deeply disturbing part of history in the making that I had hoped Europe had moved away from. Will future generations look at the posts on these pages and wonder if we too have become desensitised to yet again death on an industrial scale? |
While I do not feel remorse for them, I feel like I am watching a deeply disturbing part of history in the making that I had hoped Europe had moved away from. |
The start of the disintegration of the Russian Federation?
Kadyrov now has sizeable forces loyal only to him - as recently shown - and what has Putin left to suppress any uprisings or cecessions? And in Chechnya, and elsewhere, memories run deep. As recently stated Russia’s entire southern flank is now afire. Bring popcorn…. Ramzan Kadyrov just refusing to launch the mobilization in Chechnya … |
GeeRam, Flight Radar24 is showing normal flights over China at 21.37 Beijing time. A bit slow for a Saturday but not down by 6,000.
No further inferences |
Probably the best motivational speaker I've heard.
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This lot have been standing about to long… go get them boys and girls.
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I have a theory about the mobilisation, but I hope I am wrong.
During WW2 Russia used to calculate German firepower and times that by the time to cross the ground then throw in that number of troops plus more, so no matter what was fired at them they could not kill them all. That probably is the fate they await, advance at all costs. |
Originally Posted by GeeRam
(Post 11301946)
Hearing stories from a few friends (one is married to a Chinese) and whispers coming from their families out there in messages that there's lots of military activity in and around Bejing, so......there could be some legs in this story?
There's stories of 6000 flights being suddenly cancelled in China too, plus rail journey suspensions. |
Aviation content:
"A Russian SU-30 on fire after being hit by Ukrainian manpads. It crashed along with another Russian SU-25. 24.09.2022. Southern Ukraine." https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3 |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11301965)
The start of the disintegration of the Russian Federation?
Kadyrov now has sizeable forces loyal only to him - as recently shown - and what has Putin left to suppress any uprisings or cecessions? And in Chechnya, and elsewhere, memories run deep. As recently stated Russia’s entire southern flank is now afire. Bring popcorn…. Ramzan Kadyrov just refusing to launch the mobilization in Chechnya … Im still wondering why Belorussia is also so quiet..very odd given their previous election issues |
Originally Posted by flash8
(Post 11301624)
Nice lady says she is sorry but management have deemed the use of .ru email addresses a threat to the reputation of the business and could I use something else (like gmail) as they can't allow any correspondence to any .ru entity.
OK, I agreed, but afterwards thought.. this is going way way beyond what I imagined. |
Bulgakov sacked
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63021117
The blamegame is underway |
Originally Posted by sangiovese.
(Post 11302029)
Im still wondering why Belorussia is also so quiet..very odd given their previous election issues
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