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TBM-Legend 30th Sep 2020 03:44

USMC Mid-Air - F-35/KC-130
 
USMC F-35B and USMC KC-130J both down after mid-air. Jet pilot ejected and Herc forced landed with those on-board OK. About 150nm East of San Diego.

tartare 30th Sep 2020 04:08

Picture here of the Herc after a forced landing in a field!
https://news.usni.org/2020/09/29/mar...covered-safely
and more pix and info from local ABC affiliate here:
https://twitter.com/KESQ?ref_src=tws...-in-california

fallmonk 30th Sep 2020 05:19

Glad everyone is safe

dead_pan 30th Sep 2020 06:29

Outer starboard prop appears to be absent on the Herc

Just This Once... 30th Sep 2020 06:32

Yikes - only 1 engine looks to be intact.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6821a34e0f.jpg

salad-dodger 30th Sep 2020 06:39

And is that fuel pouring out of the port wing?

TheEdge 30th Sep 2020 06:49


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 10895226)
Outer starboard prop appears to be absent on the Herc

It would be interesting to know what have caused this

BEagle 30th Sep 2020 06:52

Left AAR pod missing
#1 prop missing a blade, others badly damaged
#2 prop possibly damaged
#3 engine severely damaged
#4 engine severely damaged
Right external tank missing
Landing gear and flaps up
Fuel leak from left wing

Very well done to the Marine aviator who managed to pull off a successful forced landing!

tartare 30th Sep 2020 06:52


Originally Posted by TheEdge (Post 10895236)
It would be interesting to know what have caused this

Possibly a 5th generation fighter...?

junior.VH-LFA 30th Sep 2020 07:03

Brings a new meaning to having to go and hit the tanker.

BZ to the driver, that’s impressive.

Bob Viking 30th Sep 2020 07:18

First Impressions
 
When I read the first post that said ‘forced landing’ I tutted to myself and thought ‘you mean he made an emergency landing’.

It would appear I was wrong to tut. That really does look like a forced landing.

A lot of the damage may be attributable to the forced landing itself of course but either way that looks like a hell of a bit of skill and decision making to land such a badly damaged aircraft in such a location.

BV

Tashengurt 30th Sep 2020 07:41


Originally Posted by Bob Viking (Post 10895254)
When I read the first post that said ‘forced landing’ I tutted to myself and thought ‘you mean he made an emergency landing’.

It would appear I was wrong to tut. That really does look like a forced landing.

A lot of the damage may be attributable to the forced landing itself of course but either way that looks like a hell of a bit of skill and decision making to land such a badly damaged aircraft in such a location.

BV

There does seem to be quite a debris field behind the left wing.

dead_pan 30th Sep 2020 07:47

Let the PPRuNe BoI commence!

Can a Herc fly on one Engine?

Fareastdriver 30th Sep 2020 07:48

The background scenery could well be the propellor blade removal culprits.

dead_pan 30th Sep 2020 07:49


Originally Posted by Tashengurt (Post 10895272)
There does seem to be quite a debris field behind the left wing.

Could be the perspective of the photo. It appears that the Herc veered to the left so the debris may be from the fuselage itself.

Capt Scribble 30th Sep 2020 08:05


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 10895277)
Let the PPRuNe BoI commence!

Can a Herc fly on one Engine?

The answer being the same to the question posed of the RAF Anglo French pussy cat. The remaining engine will simply take you to the scene of the crash.

Fonsini 30th Sep 2020 08:37

I doubt that pilot will need to pay for any drinks for quite some time, great job indeed.

Does anyone know what time the accident occurred, night time refuelings between FJs and Hercs are notoriously risky, witness the 2018 crash off Japan.

Tashengurt 30th Sep 2020 08:38


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 10895280)
Could be the perspective of the photo. It appears that the Herc veered to the left so the debris may be from the fuselage itself.

Yes, I just meant some bits might have been knocked off in the landing rather than the collision.
From the audio it appears they'd lost engines 3&4.

atceng 30th Sep 2020 08:44


Originally Posted by Bob Viking (Post 10895254)
When I read the first post that said ‘forced landing’ I tutted to myself and thought ‘you mean he made an emergency landing’.

It would appear I was wrong to tut. That really does look like a forced landing.

A lot of the damage may be attributable to the forced landing itself of course but either way that looks like a hell of a bit of skill and decision making to land such a badly damaged aircraft in such a location.

BV

And in line with the furrows,text book!

Green Flash 30th Sep 2020 08:45

More here https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-with-an-f-35b

GeeRam 30th Sep 2020 09:11


Originally Posted by Fonsini (Post 10895308)
Does anyone know what time the accident occurred, night time refuelings between FJs and Hercs are notoriously risky, witness the 2018 crash off Japan.

Link posted in OP says 4pm local time.

Rigga 30th Sep 2020 09:11


Originally Posted by salad-dodger (Post 10895232)
And is that fuel pouring out of the port wing?

Outer Tank is no longer fitted....

Fonsini 30th Sep 2020 09:17


Originally Posted by GeeRam (Post 10895344)
Link posted in OP says 4pm local time.

Thanks, that answers one key question.

Trumpet trousers 30th Sep 2020 09:30

Glad everyone is safe. There's an opportunity for Marshalls/MOD to flog another C130J to the US now!

OldLurker 30th Sep 2020 09:51

What happened to the F-35 pilot - and what happened to his aircraft?

Beamr 30th Sep 2020 09:57


Originally Posted by OldLurker (Post 10895386)
What happened to the F-35 pilot - and what happened to his aircraft?

Pilot elected to eject, and news is he's safe.
F35 made a smoking hole (based on news clip).

Deltasierra010 30th Sep 2020 16:01

A C130 glider, the pilot did well to keep the wings level and find a soft field without obstructions, so lucky the controls surfaces weren’t a
damaged.

RAFEngO74to09 30th Sep 2020 16:11

Audio with captions and chart of the area


RAFEngO74to09 30th Sep 2020 16:11

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7c405faaf3.png

India Four Two 30th Sep 2020 16:26

Lucky they were in the Salton Sea area which has a lot of flat fields rather than over the high desert.

Wokkafans 30th Sep 2020 17:35

Can't comment on the authenticity of this:





tdracer 30th Sep 2020 18:02

Appears to me they lost engines 3&4 in the collision - the damage to the #1 prop and loss of the right hand underwing tank were from the forced landing.
Even if there was sufficient thrust to maintain level flight with two engines out, controllability with two engines out on the same side is problematic - perhaps more so due to the loss of various systems due to the engine damage.

Saintsman 30th Sep 2020 18:39

That's a pretty expensive mishap. I wouldn't like to have that deducted from my pay.

T28B 30th Sep 2020 18:45

/notasamod

As regards this post: any landing that you can walk away from.
Nice job.

dead_pan 30th Sep 2020 19:27


Originally Posted by Wokkafans (Post 10895745)
Can't comment on the authenticity of this:

https://twitter.com/gunner_schmulke/...923145218?s=20

Well I'm pretty certain its not CGI, but I who knows if its the F35 involved in this incident. From the looks of it another few hundred yards and those witnesses could have been in the debris field.

Amazed there's almost always someone videoing on their phone.

aerolearner 30th Sep 2020 19:29


Originally Posted by Deltasierra010 (Post 10895665)
A C130 glider, the pilot did well to keep the wings level and find a soft field without obstructions, so lucky the controls surfaces weren’t a
damaged.


Military officials confirm a fighter crashed near Salton City during air-to-air refueling, causing another military aircraft to make an emergency landing in Thermal.
A glider in Thermal... Couldn't ask for more! :)

sycamore 30th Sep 2020 21:06

Going to require a lot of explaining how the tanker got clobbered from the front.....

Obba 30th Sep 2020 22:04

Hopefully, not going to be one of those close to the bay ramp for a photo op moments....

Plenty of cameras, so if it did happen in refuelling there will/should be video.

Fortissimo 30th Sep 2020 22:05


Going to require a lot of explaining how the tanker got clobbered from the front.....
I'm not sure why it needed to have been clobbered from the front? As all crew survived and the investigators will have access to the wreckage and data, there should be some answers coming out quite quickly. Hopefully the USMC will post the interim report on PPrune. ;)

What a fantastic job from the Herc crew - a great example of flying the aircraft all the way to impact and walking away as a result. BZ to whoever was flying, and I look forward to the sequel to 'Sully'!

chopper2004 30th Sep 2020 22:11

Marham ans Mildenhall
 

Originally Posted by TBM-Legend (Post 10895180)
USMC F-35B and USMC KC-130J both down after mid-air. Jet pilot ejected and Herc forced landed with those on-board OK. About 150nm East of San Diego.

I saw 6765 on the deck here at EGUN fortnight ago on the 12th (my photos below) it initially came into Marham as support for Wake Island Avengers deployment , then supposedly departed. Next thing it was on the deck at Mildenhall having gone U/s. After a while it left finally on the 15th


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....47ce093bf.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....040f63489.jpeg


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