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chevvron 29th May 2020 17:39


Originally Posted by diginagain (Post 10796553)
On a Bank Holiday?

Surely even at a training station, the OC or his/her nominated deputy must be available 24/7.

chevvron 29th May 2020 17:41


Originally Posted by scarecrow450 (Post 10796905)
No ATIS as it was a Bank Holiday, entered a MATZ with out 2 way contact, landed at a military afd without permission and did not have permission to land there oh and was he covered insurance wise to land at a military afd oh and in a foreign registered aircraft.

If ATC is closed, as it was there are no red flares to fire, besides bet he'd ignore it anyway !

The MATZ doesn't apply to civil aircraft, however he did enter the ATZ without ATC clearance.

MPN11 29th May 2020 17:43

Incident also made the "Now finally" bit on BBC Radio 4 News 10 mins ago. :D

Yes, what bit of PPO eluded him, I wonder? i remain convinced, by a/c type, N-reg and pilot behaviour, it's another Grey Charter cowboy. I do earnestly hope the CAA has a spare ton of bricks available.

Zeus 29th May 2020 18:24

No doubt he will gain "diplomatic immunity" retrospectively?

Cat Techie 29th May 2020 19:09

Cheers for posting the full info on this thread. If I had been there, I would have let his tyres down.

sycamore 29th May 2020 19:32

Cat,should`ve been a couple of scouse lads around....wheels would be on e-bay ...

mcdhu 29th May 2020 19:36

Mmmmm......airfield closed, MATZ collapsed - spot of low flying perhaps?

mcdhu

GeeRam 29th May 2020 19:38


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 10796918)
I do earnestly hope the CAA has a spare ton of bricks available.

I'll be surprised if the CAA even bother to do anything..........

Cat Techie 29th May 2020 19:41


Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 10796979)
Cat,should`ve been a couple of scouse lads around....wheels would be on e-bay ...

Plastic Scousers around Valley.

skydivernigel 29th May 2020 19:49

​​​​​​​NordWind and N412MD are Moscow based...
 
As a newbie I can post urls, but if you google
'who owns N412MD it shows NordWind and N412MD are Moscow based...
So the poster above joking about a Bear landing at Valley asking for directions may mot be far off 😁😎

G-ARZG 29th May 2020 20:59


Originally Posted by skydivernigel (Post 10796992)
As a newbie I can post urls, but if you google
'who owns N412MD it shows NordWind and N412MD are Moscow based...
So the poster above joking about a Bear landing at Valley asking for directions may mot be far off 😁😎

Easy, tiger... Google isn't always 'on the money'. Nordwind flight nrs are prefixed N4...

If it's Flightera.net it points you to, that shows Nordwind have a fleet of 45 PC12`s, all registered N4xxxx, happily flitting between American and Canadian cities!!! Clearly a load of old b-------s...

Flugplatz 29th May 2020 21:20

Let's hope the Russians don't start flying PC-12s ! They should have kept it there to show all the studies what a serviceable aircraft looks like

skydivernigel 29th May 2020 22:21

My ridiculous mistake, apologies guys...
 
My ridiculous mistake, apologies guys...


Originally Posted by G-ARZG (Post 10797044)
Easy, tiger... Google isn't always 'on the money'. Nordwind flight nrs are prefixed N4...

If it's Flightera.net it points you to, that shows Nordwind have a fleet of 45 PC12`s, all registered N4xxxx, happily flitting between American and Canadian cities!!! Clearly a load of old b-------s...


NutLoose 29th May 2020 23:47


Originally Posted by scarecrow450 (Post 10796910)
I blocked in a Dove with the ATC Rover at a secret base in Norfolk years ago as he had refused to pay his parking fees, When I got out and locked it telling the pilot I'd be back the following day with a 50% increase in his fees he soon payed up !

At an airport near me many moons ago, an impounded 707 or more likely a DC8 was held until some debts were cleared, they had towed it to the wash bay and blocked it in with a de-ice truck. When cleared to leave he got the last laugh, his outboards overhung the edge of the taxiway and as he poured on the coals to climb the hill he departed in a cloud of low flying raised taxiway lighting.. he took them all out.

justmaybe 29th May 2020 23:52

Jesus, what huge thread of indecision! If the facts are as stated, this guy should have been arrested by Service Police (there would have been a power to detain) and handed over to civil police who properly should have interviewed/charged/released as appropriate. The aircraft could have then been released subject to appropriate measures being put in place, and an agrreement to meet all charges. The fact that the aircraft is US registered is of little consequence, but to list the possible offences that the CAA Enforcement Branch might want to consider would fill several pages. That said, always two sides to a story....

Cat Techie 29th May 2020 23:58

No other side. Man flew into a place he was not authorised to do so. Breaking multiple laws over and above landing. I would have kicked him off the base to the civil police (whom would likely have interviewed) without his aircraft.

CargoOne 30th May 2020 00:17

Swedish Air Force had their moment some years ago around Easter holidays. Russkies have simulated a bomber attack on Gotland and Stockholm and SWE AF could not scramble a single fast jet due to all pilots on leave/holidays. They had to ask NATO command to scramble Lithuanian based QRA to intercept Tupolev bombers....

Out Of Trim 30th May 2020 00:19

Should've been locked-up in the Guardroom until handed over to Civil Police. The aircraft should then be dismantled for removal by road! :E

Tankertrashnav 30th May 2020 00:21

Sitting outside the mess at Seletar one Sunday afternoon. The airfield was closed, no fire section personnel on duty and ATC shut and locked. All of a sudden I saw an AAC Beaver from the flight based at Seletar land on the runway and taxy to its usual dispersal. I was Station Fire Officer, so I called SATCO in his MQ and asked him if he knew anything about this. He didnt, and told me to leave it to him. Upshot was that the next morning the pilot of the Beaver got a massive bollocking for landing at the airfield when it was closed. The pongoes were genuinely puzzled and aggrieved, they said they regularly operated out of up country strips with no fire cover, etc, so they couldn't see what the fuss was about, and in one respect I could see they had a point. Different situation to the one we are discussing, but I was just reminded of my incident by it.


Some overshot, some rolled (1995 phraseology))
More thread drift, I was talking about rollers on another forum, and one chap said he had never heard the term before. Is it all touch and go now? Have to say that sitting in the back of a Victor tanker in the 70s a lot of our landings seemed touch and go ;)

justmaybe 30th May 2020 00:25


Originally Posted by Cat Techie (Post 10797142)
No other side. Man flew into a place he was not authorised to do so. Breaking multiple laws over and above landing. I would have kicked him off the base to the civil police (whom would likely have interviewed) without his aircraft.

Probably not, but best to be apprised of all the information and evidence before reaching a definitive conclusion. On the face of it doesn't look like much wriggle room.


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