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Ah, right. Thread title did not give me any idea it was about that.

Not immediately obvious, no! :)

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Originally Posted by First_In_Last_Out (Post 10796238)

There was no need to intercept this aircraft, it took off from the UK, flew a flightplan (of sorts) .

I'd suggest history shows it's very dangerous to assume something can be disregarded as a threat simply on the basis of the fact that it took off from the "home" nation and didn't arrive from overseas.

I can however see why there wasn't a cat in **** chance of QRA of any description stopping the aircraft landing at Valley.

As for the decision to allow the subsequent departure....I'm a bit :confused:.

pr00ne, I take your point but my point (possibly badly made initially) was that if you or I entered any military establishment without authorisation we would be having a chat with civplod by now. This guy just flew away. Probably laughing.

I have heard it all now. Pity the book will be throw at that idiot.

The B Word -

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Looking at G-INFO is this the owner?

The aircraft was cancelled from the G register in 2008 so you cannot infer it is the same owner 12 years later. The PC12 then went to the N (FAA) register, and changed owner again in 2014 to Rosedale Aviation Inc as you can see here on the FAA website today. So unless you have proof that the name you quote is the owner, then you may need to check your libel insurance.

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Originally Posted by LS8C1 (Post 10796109)

So did the guy break the law at any point?

Thats just sooo last Year!
The question nowadays is whether Boris thinks you were reasonable and acted with integrity. Do keep up!

Libel Insurance?

I can confirm that the previous owner when on the G-Reg is no longer associated with the aircraft in any way! He sold it in 2008 and to my knowledge is still a very capable and legal pilot in all flying ops he does......

The aircraft type and cowboy operating method makes one wonder if the 'operator' also transports Footballers/Jockeys/etc. as a sideline?

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Originally Posted by Warren Peace (Post 10795001)

After the farce at EGOV on Monday, they may as well scrap the entire operation at Scampton, and Boulmer, do away with QRA and AEW, it's not working, and nobody seems to care, so why keep spending **** loads of money on it?

If a job's worth doing etc.

Why use the ICAO designator EGOV rather just writing "Valley?"

Why did the Station Commander not step in and invite the civil police onto the MOD property to handle it?

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Originally Posted by LS8C1 (Post 10796109)

So did the guy break the law at any point?

Potentially the Welsh ‘lockdown’. Currently england/welsh border is closed for day trips, social/domestic/pleasure. I doubt those are waived because they arrived by air, unless it was a precautionary or emergency landing. Having in the dim past arranged at short notice to operate an aircraft from an RAF operational base, it was very procedurally driven, even then not simple turn and burn. If The account is true as told above, it seems extraordinary the aircraft was allowed to depart.

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If The account is true as told above, it seems extraordinary the aircraft was allowed to depart.

I'm sure A/OC Ops had very good reasons....

... if he were working for me, he would have an opportunity to explain them - without coffee.

That said, it would surely be odd if he didn't pass such an unusual occurrence/request/non-compliance up the Chain of Command. Or was a two-and-a-half (as he presumably was - at most) really the top man available - even over the 'phone? (or the more currently fashionable Zoom!)

CAA should revoke his licence. Simple and quick solution. He can then fight them in the courts (and find out he is not above the law).

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Originally Posted by Cat Techie (Post 10796591)

CAA should revoke his licence. Simple and quick solution. He can then fight them in the courts (and find out he is not above the law).

One flaw there, US registered aircraft, ( which make it worse as foreign aircraft ) so US licence held to fly it.

Made the BEEB

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A pilot of a private plane has landed at a military airfield in north Wales without permission, because he wanted “to go to the beach”.

He’d taken off from Fairoaks Airport in Surrey, and landed at the military site on the Anglesey coast on Monday, according to a report by safety officials.

Wales' restrictions are more stringent than England's - people have been told to stay local and not to drive - and tourists have been urged not to visit.

“The pilot informed the crew manager that he had flown from London to go to the beach", a report by the Defence Aviation Safety Occurrence Report read.

“When informed that this was a military airfield and that the coronavirus restrictions were still present in Wales, the pilot stated that ‘it was okay, because he had it two months ago’."

Scientists believe those who have had the disease may have some immunity to it but it is not known how much or for how long.

The unnamed man - and his aircraft - were allowed to leave the following day, the Royal Air Force (RAF) said.

A statement added: “Whilst irregular, it was assessed that there was no threat to station personnel or the wider public."

Also dual threads running, SEE

https://www.pprune.org/military-avia...-anyway-3.html

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Originally Posted by sharpend (Post 10796444)

I have heard it all now. Pity the book will be throw at that idiot.

Had an incident at a secret Leaping Heap MOB in Rutland in the very early 2000's. Normal operating day for the Sqns, while VASS was quiet that day. Then a microlight style hi wing monoplane lands on the runway and taxi's off to a stop on one of the intersections. No radio calls to the tower. Nobody was expecting anything. The pilot in question was about 80 years old, ex Navy, had got lost and was trying to find out where he was. So he lands on an active military airfield to ask. I contacted the tower if they wanted us to go and get him, the SNCO Ops on duty replied "No, we will sort it". He then went out to get the guys details, tell he that he had broke loads of rules from the ANO and after getting his licence details, said he would be reported to the CAA. He was then allowed to leave on that note.

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Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10796602)

One flaw there, US registered aircraft, ( which make it worse as foreign aircraft ) so US licence held to fly it.

Made the BEEB

Also dual threads running, SEE

https://www.pprune.org/military-avia...-anyway-3.html

Sorry Nutty, didn't see it was Yank register. That does make it worse. Civil Police should have been involved IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Cat Techie (Post 10796605)

Sorry Nutty, didn't see it was Yank register. That does make it worse. Civil Police should have been involved IMHO.

You wouldn't as it's on the other thread re it's identity, but one would assume they would classify none UK registered aircraft landing at a UK military base unanounced as more serious that a CAA registered aircraft. As they probably have more powers over a UK subject / licence holder than an FAA one, but again that is conjecture. This is the problem with dual threads, but the police may have been contacted, I quote

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his is the rumour doing the jungle drums on Whatsapp....

A Pilatus PC-12 registration N412MD departed Fairoaks to fly to RAF Valley. RAF Valley was closed (bank holiday Monday) with work in progress scheduled on RWY19 barrier and families on the periphery of the airfield. At 1250L the ac called Valley Tower freq several times (reported by Valley Aviation Society) then landed on RWY19 and parked at ASP 5 (adjacent to the beach). The Fire Section noted the aircraft and responded, thinking the aircraft was in distress. Having confirmed that the aircraft was not in distress, the Pilot was verbally held at the ac steps by the Fire Crew Manager. At 1300L the MPGS attended and North Wales Police (NWP) were informed. The Pilot informed the Crew Manager that he had flown from London to go to the beach. When informed that this was a military airfield and that the coronavirus restrictions were still present in Wales the pilot stated that ‘it was ok, because he had it 2 months ago’.

The Pilot stated that he had located the airfield on Google Earth and noted from Wikipedia that Anglesey Airport served civilian traffic. The RAFP arrived at ASP5 and searched the ac for any other occupants. The pilot was the only person on board and there was nothing of a suspicious nature on the ac. The Pilot’s details were recorded. A/OC Ops Sqn informed the pilot that he did not have the authority to leave the airfield until it opened at 0800L on 26 May 20. The Pilot stated that he was leaving anyway. A/OC Ops Sqn and the Crew Manager elected to not block the aircraft and let it depart. At 1415L the aircraft departed to Fairoaks.

*allegedly