Thanks, PN. You might point out how to use the word "TOO" when indicating "also". :ok:

Let's not over complicate the situation, our leaders are despised externally and internally because they are knobheads, like quite a few posters on this forum. Our 'democracy' is bull****, people are starting to see it for what it is, a pantomime with puppets, people who are not actually real.

Steady on Pious, if we didn't over complicated it PPrune wouldn't be half as fun and interesting:{

Quote from today. 'The best thing that Obama has done regarding Syria is making the Republican Party look like a bunch of Peaceniks'.

Am I the only one that's more than a little cynical about Assad's sudden, apparent change of direction? The move from being a CW armed state to begging to be allowed to become the 190th signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention is one hell of a turn around. It all smacks too much of Gadaffi's miracle 'rehabilitation' all those years ago.

All of this has brought about a considerable media shift with much more press showing the rebels as the bad guys. PR coup or has Assad just had a vision in the middle of the night that converted him into the World's most progressive and liberal leader? The will to come in out of the cold or an opportunity to avert having his forces crushed by Uncle Sam?

:hmm:

Courtney Mil, the sudden change of posture had me wondering similarly, too. My thinking was, though, has jolly Uncle Vladimir quietly made him some offers that he can't refuse? I'm still of the mind that Vlad the Wise will not want to get too many rules identified/created by the UN or World opinion that limit the scope of a Nation's response to internal unrest.

No CM, the badies are still badies. Would be nice to think that the power of Democracy has had some effect on warmongering. It will not stop nasty conflicts happening though.:uhoh:

OAP

OAP,

Indeed, that's democracy happening in the West. I have no problem getting my head around that. It's the baffling Assad u-turn that interests me in this case.

Surely it is an example of force majeure or gun-boat diplomacy in action.

The difference today compared with the US previous stance is that diplomacy has been given time to work.

The original US stance was to fire a shot across his bow to enforce the diplomacy. What the UK vote against action achieved was to cause all the western players to draw breath and give more time.

This recognises of course that there are two different issues in play here. One is chemical weapons and the other is the civil war. It seems only the former is actually in play. The civil war is perhaps still being view as a very regrettable but internal matter.

I thought it would have a simple calculation on his behalf- lose his CW capability and loads besides to a US air strike (+see my enemies greatly emboldened), or spend years giving it up and try to finish the job quickly with conventional weaponry, quite possibly with more men + kit from Iran + Russia.



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Over here, dear old President H is looking a little more confused than normal.

In nearly everything he does, no matter how hard he tries, he ends up just that bit behind the curve. "Bomb ze bas-tards" was his rallying cry to the world and La France last week. After the desperately sought metaphorical 'Presidential-arm-to-the-elbow' arrived shortly after and France became 'The Oldest Friend' (is that better than a Special Friend?), he wasted no time in laying about our Dave calling him "a weak Rosboef 'oo made ze schoolboy erreur..".

Full of himself, he's then charged through the " 'Av at zem my petit pois" door whereupon, pausing for breath, he's looked behind and is wondering "Zut, where 'av zay all gone...??

what language is that between the inverted commas?

is it supposed to be funny???? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

There is a clue Heathrow in the subject (President H) and perhaps in Strake's location. Read through it again and see if you can work it out - if not, give a shout.:ok:

Methinks Heathrow has had a catastrophic sense of humour failure... We should hear the mayday anytime soon...

I do apologise to the obviously Francophone HH....

Over here, dear old President H is looking a little more confused than normal.

In nearly everything he does, no matter how hard he tries, he ends up just that bit behind the curve. "Bombe ces salauds" was his rallying cry to the world and La France last week. After the desperately sought metaphorical 'Presidential-arm-to-the-elbow' arrived shortly after and France became 'The Oldest Friend' (is that better than a Special Friend?), he wasted no time in laying about our Dave calling him "La faiblesse du rôti de boeuf qui a fait une erreur d'écolier"

Full of himself, he's then charged through the door shouting "Obtenez après eux mes petits pois" whereupon, pausing for breath, he's looked behind and is wondering "Mince alors, où sont-ils tous partis??

Hilarious innit..? :ok:

I understood it better the first time.:p

Everything Assad and Putin have said has been lies.
They both said that Assad had no chemical weapons.
They both said that chemical weapons had not been used.
They both said that it was the rebels that used chemical weapons when all the evidence says Assad was the culprit.

So the evidence is that they are not to be trusted in any way.
More evidence of this: Report: Assad scattering chemical weapons to 50 sites - Israel News, Ynetnews
Report: Assad scattering chemical weapons to 50 sites
American officials say US, Israeli intelligence agencies still believe they know where most of Assad regime's chemical weapons are located, but with less confidence
Ynet
Published: 09.13.13, 08:01 / Israel News
A secretive Syrian military unit at the center of the Assad regime's chemical weapons program has been moving stocks of poison gases and munitions to as many as 50 sites to make them harder for the US to track, The Wall Street Journal reported Friday, citing American and Middle Eastern officials.

The American newspaper quoted officials as saying the movements of chemical weapons by Syria's elite Unit 450 could complicate any US bombing campaign in Syria over its alleged chemical attacks,. It also raises questions about implementation of a Russian proposal that calls for the regime to surrender control of its stockpile, they said........more

Eclectic

- Incorrect. Both Al Assad and Putin have said that the Regime has chemical weapons. This fact has never been disputed by Al Assad.

- Incorrect. They both said that chemical weapons had been used but by the Rebels.

Now I am not saying that it wasn't the Regime forces who used chemical weapons, I am saying that there is a complete lack of irrefutable proof. To counter your unbiased Israeli news story, I offer another unbiased news report.

Turkish prosecutors indict Syrian rebels for seeking chemical weapons ? RT News

:D I like it Nut, the best news story all day. I am just off to Stores in order to sign out a life:E Oh wait, it's Saturday and they're closed. I will pop in when they are open on Monday between 0843-0846, 15 minutes after PSF closes.