Must be a Nav, behind everyone else :E

AFAIK nobody has identified which side was responsible, much less the delivery system used last week, so stating as a fact that it is "identical" is merely your opinion, as usual.

There are other videos doing the rounds of various rebel groups prepping their chemical weapons, why haven't you posted those?

The only weapon against a gas attack I would entrust to the cronies we have in power occupying Westminster is...

http://supermart.ae/product_images/s...25101_zoom.jpg

Ohh Dunky,

Never did I rise to the exalted status of master race, let alone "one winged". Fox 3 my bad on that, it's just such an appealing shot that does the old "picture says a thousand words". Apologies to all for any repetition.

Smudge

I must admit Eclectic, for a proffesional and well equipped military such as the Syrians have, that launcher does look a bit of a lash up that's been knocked up down some backstreet, one would imagine if the regime stockpiled Chemical Weapons they would have also procured vehicles to launch them, it's a bit like buying bullets but not the gun to fire them.





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Some interesting comments from Ryan Crocker, a career diplomat with long experience in the Middle East, and who served as the U.S. ambassador to Syria.

Quote:

“I was in Lebanon when the Israelis invaded in June of 1982, and the entire Syrian air force was basically just destroyed in a matter of hours because of inadequate air defenses,” said Crocker. “The Syrians learned from that and have spent decades with their Russian allies developing a highly advanced, well-integrated air defense system,” Crocker continued. “That's what makes a no-fly zone so much more dangerous in Syria than in, say, Iraq or Libya. There's every chance we would lose aircraft.”
“Whatever we say or don't say, they are going to continue the fight. There's just no question about it. Whether we talked about red lines a year ago or did not talk about red lines a year ago, it doesn't change the calculus of the Syrian regime at all," Crocker said, "They are utterly ruthless and utterly determined to win a fight for their survival.”

Bob C

That's what crossed my mind as well. Is that really a Rocket Launcher procured and used by a regular Army?
What indications can we find in the vid that those are indeed regular Syrian Army troops?
Did you just conclude it from the title of the vid?
My first Impression was rather: Another Group of Rebels having DIYed indigenious weaponry.

"“The Syrians learned from that and have spent decades with their Russian allies developing a highly advanced, well-integrated air defense system,”"


It didn't do them much good when the Israelis bombed the Nuclear Reactor,
allowing over 10+ Israeli aircraft to fly over 2/3rds of Syria to get there ?

Regardless, I agree, it is a different environment.

Didn't the Israelis hook through Turkey for that raid and they did have people on the ground target designating.

I thought they only returned through Turkey (as they dropped the
drop tanks in Turkey).

Yes, from the reports I read, they had troops on the ground designating
the target.

Going to check now re the route in.


Edit
I can't find it. Either way, the location is still a long way inside Syria.

There have been advances (and some setbacks) in SEAD technology in the Western world as well. That said, the Syrians have downed US aircraft in the past.

One really wonder why around 100,000 people in Syria can die "conventionally" and no-one really cares but when a couple of hundred or so die by chemical we need to start a war...

Who went to war over Bhopal? Other than a few lawyers no-one really gave a sh1t... Are we saying that Indians are worth less then Arabs?

Eclectic,
Could be, but the rocket itself didn't look like a Bodge job, looked like a proper missile, not your average DIY superstore Special, so you would have thought they'd have launchers for it? Just thinking out loud.


Actually Bhopal still irks me as no one ever went to Jail and the poor buggers are still suffering because the site was never cleaned up......
I often thought BP should have turned round to the US bleating about cleaning up the Gulf of Mexico spill debacle, the compensation over it and reminded them about Bhopal.

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I would have thought they would drop the tanks on ingress rather than egress in case the have to in the unlikely event engage in combat. I too, cannot find the routes, maybe they were never published for they may have needed them for later use.

Not if you buy them in kit form and just assemble them.

air pig

"I would have thought they would drop the tanks on ingress rather than egress in case the have to in the unlikely event engage in combat. I too, cannot find the routes, maybe they were never published for they may have needed them for later use."

Understand that fully but I am not a pilot so can't expand further.

Here is one reference, not the original one I knew about.
I haven't cross checked any of the info in this.

The Aviationist » Operation Orchard

The fact they got through, took out an Air Defence System
close to the target and did the whole thing uncontacted I thought
was pretty good.

Agreed - it was conveniently forgotten. I remember watching some American senator baying for BP's blood - I couldn't think how hypocritical. The actual damage done by the BP incident was grossly overestimated in comparison to Bhopal. It was blatant that their intention was to bankrupt BP for commercial gain. The poor sods in India were discarded without thought. Anyway we drift.

Not like the Yanks to be hypocritical though is it.

I might add the Yanks as a nation not as individuals.

This is all BS, exactly as it was with Iraqs WMD. Anyone who elieves otherwise is either a nutcase or a paid agent provocateur.

The attempt by KSA Prince Bandar to bribe Russia demonstrates the modus operandi of KSA. One can therefore be forgiven for suspecting Cameron and Hollande have been similarly approached and bribed, perhaps personally, perhaps as a Government. Make no mistake, Saudi Arabia has purchased this war.

The Americans? They are owned lock stock and barrel by AIPAC, the America Israel public affairs committee and will do Israels bidding.

THe hypocrisy of the "responsibility to protect" crows is self evident and the allegations of CW use by Assad are extremely unconvincing.

If CW had been used it wouldn't be "300 dead and 3000 injured" it would be the reverse: "3000 dead and 300 injured" the medicos and stretcher barers would be among the dead as well.

Furthermore, exactly why would Assad risk a western strike when he was already winning? Where was the coordinated follow up attack by Syrian troops in full CW protection gear?

This whole thing stinks to high heaven and we risk starting WW3 as a direct result..

Not true... If it was Sarin then it becomes more effective, (it evaporates more quickly and gets into the atmosphere), as temperature rises but, similarly, it becomes less persistent, (it is effective for less time)... So emergency workers could walk in quite easily as long as they stay away from any pools of it and the existence of pools would depend on the delivery method - pools would indicate a very primitive delivery.